Post Number: 322
|Posted on Sunday, April 26, 2015 - 3:11 pm: |
Thought I'd share this one around and see what you guys do differently...
I took my Alembic to it's first recording session last week. I wasn't quite sure what all to bring, since most of the time I'm laying down upright bass tracks in a live situation. Other times I've brought my own preamp, (a D-Tar Equinox) for recording the Turner/Renaissance basses. It's a parametric eq with notch filters I find very useful for shaping the sound I like. I've mic'd my cab before too, the sticking point being, my Mesa Walkabout head is so noisy it has to be outside the booth. (the fan is like a freakin' jet engine in that thing) It does sound pretty sweet though, and has a very nice DI out, so we've done that too on some of the rowdier sessions where one more live mic in the big room is just one too many. So this go, the engineer there I've known for 25 years said just bring your bass, don't bother with the whole rig. He plugs me into a Demeter tube pre and went straight to record.
Long story short, he was pretty blown away with not only how quiet my Persuader is, from a signal-to-noise ratio standpoint, but how much raw clarity and definition is there. Went on and on about it, well beyond his usual pleasant but detached-for-critical-purposes way. The results were great, but for some reason I found it very hard to play with just headphone feedback... I just couldn't gauge how much to dig in, so I felt like I had to play tentatively.
Since I was only over-dubbing bass onto some imported tracks, I'm thinking maybe I should've just played along with the playback in the control room. So for future reference - is it just a practice/experience thing? I'm no stranger to wearing headphones or doing blind overdubs... I dunno... it just felt weird with no air moving around me.
What ch'yall think?
Post Number: 866
|Posted on Sunday, April 26, 2015 - 9:21 pm: |
Yep, control room playing is fine and I frequently even just go into the board (with a tube pre) and listen to just the recording monitors while recording.
Post Number: 1096
|Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 12:25 am: |
Control room is the place to be if you're going direct or can't be along your cabinets
Post Number: 184
|Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 4:14 am: |
Control room for sure.
Post Number: 2212
|Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 6:23 am: |
Control room going direct from preamp to board and using the recording monitors to hear what I'm playing.
Post Number: 323
|Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 1:00 pm: |
Thanks a lot fellas... that was kinda' what I was thinking, and really what I'd have rather done. I have recorded that way with the Turner Renaissance basses, although at a different studio. It was still a little awkward but at least I able to better reference my bass when listening to the sound through monitors rather than headphones.
I did one other thing maybe I shouldn't have... and didn't think about it until this morning.
Rather than running the filter wide open, letting all the frequencies pass through, thereby letting the engineer eq how he wanted, I set the filter at my 'sweet spot', which is about 45% open, set the 3-pos Q-switch in the middle, and favored the neck pickup about 65%. It's sort of what I've always done with the D-Tar... I already know that place I'm trying to get to in the mix sonically, IME, it's just been easier getting there if I do it from my bass or preamp.
This session was just a rudimentary, follow-the-piano-player's-left-hand and keep-time... wasn't a need for much more nuanced playing. Certainly nothing to be uptight about, or a lot of commercial reward or rep to lose. Still, you know... try to do a decent job. Just wonder what other schools of thought are... I know there's a bunch of experience 'round here. =)
Post Number: 867
|Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 1:44 pm: |
Small thought, I use a guitar foot raising pedal for one foot which helps me balance better when playing bass (and guitar) while sitting and recording. It really helps!
Post Number: 1506
|Posted on Monday, April 27, 2015 - 3:59 pm: |
I personally think that setting your filter the way you hear it is perfectly valid, especially if it sounds good! Sounds like you know your engineer but I can see some not knowing what to do with a super-bright signal. Alembic filter all the way open does NOT equal having a tone control set flat at "zero"... Especially since you had some Q going. With the Q set to 0 it makes more sense, but I think you did the right thing - plus the engineer dug it!