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charles_holmes
Junior
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 40
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Wednesday, June 30, 2010 - 5:16 pm:   Edit Post

I just wanted to show the photo of my Distillate and my rig that is nearly complete. I have to get my Lexicon serviced because it's really noisy and I am looking a really good compressor. If anyone has any suggestions for a compressor please let me know. By the way, I just got Stanley's new CD "The Stanley Clarke Band"...
It is marvelous!
Chalie's Distillate and Rig 2010
pauldo
Senior Member
Username: pauldo

Post Number: 480
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 4:09 pm:   Edit Post

wow Chalie!
Color me green with envy because that is one sweet setup - love the stereo BE's!
We need details on this setup, lets start with watts - How many?
keith_h
Moderator
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 1646
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 4:20 pm:   Edit Post

Copy cat!
charles_holmes
Junior
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 41
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 8:30 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Pauldo!
I can tell you what is powering the Bag Ends. I have 2 QSC 2450's (one for 10's and one for the 18's). And reading the manual on the 2450, it looks like 500 watts per channel@8ohms, but I'm not absolutely certain. I'm using a F1-X for the 10's and I just switched my other F1-X and put my superfilter in it's place for the bottom/18's because for me it seems as though I get more low end out of the superfilter than the F1-X, But I'm still on the fence. For effects I'm using the Lexicon MPX1. Once I find 2 compressors I will have every thing rig-wise. Good to hear from you Pauldo, I hope I can make the next gatheringand meet you!
charles_holmes
Junior
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 42
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Friday, July 02, 2010 - 8:37 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Keith,
When you were asleep, I snuck in your house and checked out your rig, because it's legendary, so I had to copy it! (Tee Hee!). Your upper right 2x10" looks different, no AX (red) speaker. Don't worry, I won't tell anybody I copied your hook up! Do you have any suggestions for a compressor?
keith_h
Moderator
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 1647
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 5:30 am:   Edit Post

Charles,
You found me out I only have one tweeter. I have found that when I have more than one I always end up turning all but one off. Given this I figured I might as get one of each and not have to bother with adding an on/off switch to the second cabinet.

I don't really use compression that much. I let the ELF integrator handle that stuff. When I do use compression I use the built in compressor on my Navigator.

Keith
charles_holmes
Junior
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 43
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 4:48 pm:   Edit Post

I have heard of the ELF, what is its function?
Does it have the capability to dial in thunderous lows? (which is what I'm looking for because I have ample highs)
edwin
Senior Member
Username: edwin

Post Number: 674
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, July 03, 2010 - 5:09 pm:   Edit Post

The ELF is a circuit that RJW created that combines with certain BE cabinets, which are sealed instead of vented. It extends the lows well beyond what the cabinet would normally be able to reproduce. I've never used one, but I've heard that it's a pretty phenomenal way to go as far as getting really thunderous lows out of a modest amount of cabinet. I've always thought about checking an ELF rig out, but have never had the chance.

Your 18s should be able to crank out the big lows pretty easily. You might want to experiment with stacking configurations. I've found that coupling the speakers in various ways can vastly influence how the lows project. Having stereo is very cool, but in my experience, stereo low end can diminish the impact. So, you could consider putting the 18s on top of each other in the middle and then spreading out the high cabinets. You could then put the rack on top of them and get it up to eye level for easy tweaking. Given that lows are pretty much omni directional, you'll probably gain more than you lose.

I've managed to get some seriously thunderous lows out of my F2B (or SMS Classic)/Crest CA9/Euphonic Audio CXL-12 rig. With just two of those cabs, I played an outdoor festival last night and it was pretty damn thunderous. Definitely shook my side of the stage and the sound crew (some of whom mix in the largest rooms, ie. arenas, etc. and festivals out there) were pretty amazed at the amount of oomph. Not bad for two 12s! However, I've been thinking about dragging out the 18s and 15s again.
charles_holmes
Junior
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 44
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Sunday, July 04, 2010 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post

Sir Edwin,
Thank you for you input and I will indeed try your suggestion in stacking my 18's.

August 14th and 26th are the outdoor gigs in my lineup.
You can check out my rock unit. Go to "Route 15 Band"
Peace!
Chalie
cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member
Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 739
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Monday, July 05, 2010 - 3:14 pm:   Edit Post

Chalie; I haven't experienced it, but according to BE's website, the ELF (now called INFRA) system can get you down to 8Hz. Yeah, it seems that would be thunderous!

Peter
charles_holmes
Member
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 100
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Wednesday, January 05, 2011 - 3:54 pm:   Edit Post



Yeah! I know the feeling well indeed!
to_81_0190
Intermediate Member
Username: to_81_0190

Post Number: 161
Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Monday, April 11, 2011 - 1:57 am:   Edit Post

What a cool Distillate is it! Is it the only Distillate with Series‡Tcircuit? I can't imagine how it sounds with rare wood combo but I can imagine how much you are loving low end. Double 18" BagEnds are crazy!

Toshiaki; Distillate lover also.

(Message edited by to 81 0190 on April 11, 2011)
dropd
New
Username: dropd

Post Number: 6
Registered: 8-2011
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 4:54 pm:   Edit Post

I have seen several rigs that look mighty sweet on this site/thread. I plan on Mesa Powerhouse 2x10 and a 1x15.

What amp?
Mesa M6 fathom/carbine does not seem to have separate channel controls. This worries me driving two cabinets with different speaker configs. Plus I don't need the tone controls if I get a F1-X.

QSC 2450 seems to have separate channel controls and several folks are running 2x10 and 1x15 with it.

So my goal rig is:
QSC 2450, F1-X (yes I did just bid on the ebay one that was also posted here), and the Powerhouse 2x10 and 1x15 as separate units.

Just thought I would see if folks thought my approach was sound. I have a 4 string Persuader, just to fill in the blank spots.

Nice rig Charlie!
charles_holmes
Intermediate Member
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 157
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 7:08 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Jay,
Welcome to the forum (nice axe too!)your approach sounds good to me.I have a Stereo Bass so for me, I use two QSC's &two F-1X's(one 2450 for the 18"'s and their F-X1 and one 2450 for the 2x10's and their F-X1 and my bass is powered by the DS-5R. Recently I saw a Photo of how Stanley runs/uses his F-X1's because I still wasn't getting the bottom that I wanted and I noticed that he simply connected (or jumped) a 1/4" cable from his channel"B" F-X1(treble) to his Channel"B" F-X1 (bass) and that little connection transformed my sound totally! Now the bottom end is tremendous as well as the treble too! I now use 1/2 stack (18" and 2x10")and that is all that I need!
edwin
Senior Member
Username: edwin

Post Number: 1049
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 11, 2011 - 9:07 pm:   Edit Post

I'm confused. Doesn't that jumping negate the stereo signal flow? Of course, you can't argue with results!
charles_holmes
Intermediate Member
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 158
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Wednesday, October 12, 2011 - 8:09 pm:   Edit Post

If it does I can't tell except that the bottom end is just AWSOME now! The treble can still project a sonic boom indeed! Each frequency is distinct aurally speaking.
willie
Intermediate Member
Username: willie

Post Number: 198
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 5:59 am:   Edit Post

Charlie
I got the info you sent me on your amplifier and speaker specifications and will e-mail you about the alternate way I was telling you of hooking up your rig. I haven't forrgotten, it's just that I've been a little busy because I just joined a new band. But I think you'll find this way will give a tremendous sound and flexibility as well.
Will
dropd
New
Username: dropd

Post Number: 7
Registered: 8-2011
Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 4:01 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks for the input Charlie. I'll post the end result in a month or two!
charles_holmes
Intermediate Member
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 159
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Thursday, October 13, 2011 - 5:38 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Will!Kudos regarding the band& I Hope they are what you were looking for! Looking forward to hear from you!
Chalie..
PS
Jason I'd really like to see more photos of your axe!
charles_holmes
Intermediate Member
Username: charles_holmes

Post Number: 160
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Monday, October 17, 2011 - 6:51 pm:   Edit Post

Well, I compared the hook ups and I'm not sure why but when I jump the Two F-X1's (DSM treble to FX-1 #1; DSM Bass to F-X1#2 then, channel two of #1 F-X1 to Channel two of F-X1 #2 the sound is significantly better in that there is definitely more bottom end. Maybe Mica can answer as to why this is so. The treble seems to have a little more presence as well but again, the bass/bottom end significantly improves!

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