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Mica Wickersham (mica)
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Username: mica

Post Number: 326
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post

valentino's
Valentino Villevieille (valvil)
Junior
Username: valvil

Post Number: 14
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 12:48 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks Mica, for posting the picture of my latest baby. Here's another shot that looks a little better.IM000081.JPG
Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Junior
Username: pookeymp

Post Number: 37
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2002 - 1:13 pm:   Edit Post

WOW!!!! That is gorgeous. I like the Coco Bolo/Ash contrast. I know you're enjoying this one...especially w/ the modest body weight.

Mikey/
Michael DeVincenzo (jlpicard)
Junior
Username: jlpicard

Post Number: 31
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 1:09 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Valentino,I was just admiring your Triple omega
Essence and I have a question. I'm curious about what the ash/cocobolo combination sounds like compared to a mahogany core.Can you describe the difference? MIKE
Valentino Villevieille (valvil)
Junior
Username: valvil

Post Number: 23
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Monday, November 11, 2002 - 6:57 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Michael,

of my 3 cocobolo ( 2 w mahogany ) Alembics I think I like the ash/cocobolo best..it does have chambered body wings , unlike the other two, so that is another factor...I'd say the ash, in my case gave it a bit more presence in the midrange ; it still has all the deep growl and bright highs of the cocobolo but with bit more in the mids than the mahogany. Considering that it is also very light ( under 9 pounds) it sounds amazingly huge, especially through a Superfilter (obviously). All my future Alembics will have an ash core and mostly cocobolo tops . In my next one I'm gonna try an ebony/maple neck with an ash/cocobolo combo...

Valentino
Matt Bulmer (prime)
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Username: prime

Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Tuesday, November 12, 2002 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Valentino,

I've always like the way the triple omegas looked but prefer a longer upper horn and narrower body. I LOVE this design. I'm thinking of having a bass made for me with same/similar body style. Either Triple Omega or Double Omega with the EVH (I think?) tail that flows well with bird tailpiece.

Hats off to all involved in the design. (Mica, Yourself, et al?).

Matt

If you don't mind answering, I'm curious as to what it cost you out of pocket for your bass.

mwbulmer@yahoo.com
carlos shilinsky (shilinsky)
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Username: shilinsky

Post Number: 4
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post

wooowww!!! thats a beautifull bass, kind of im wondering the same as michael, what was the price of such exquisit axe, and also...michael youre telling about a double triple omega, what is it?

thanks, and congratulations for da bass.
Matt Bulmer (prime)
New
Username: prime

Post Number: 7
Registered: 11-2002
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 1:57 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Carlos,

I'm assuming you were taking about me, so here goes.

I can tell you what I mean regarding the design.

"Double" Omega would be identical to the pictures above on this post. I hope I'm talking about the right model when I say the "Edwin Van Huik" which has the bottom of the bass carved to match the bird tail piece (Please correct me if I am wrong about this).

http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/501.jpg

Valentino was very helpful, and though he was unable to give me a price for his intrument, he was able to tell me around what I could expect to pay for an Alembic through a dealer once the retail price has been established.

Hope I've been of some help

Matt
Mica Wickersham (mica)
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 389
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, November 14, 2002 - 3:18 pm:   Edit Post

Let's talk about prices!

4600 Europa 4-string
400 Valentino II body shape
0 Coco Bolo top
0 Ash core
2007-piece neck upgrade
5200 total retail for bass


If you're not looking for the Europa electronics or the Coco Bolo top, the bass can be less expensive.
carlos shilinsky (shilinsky)
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Username: shilinsky

Post Number: 5
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, November 17, 2002 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks Mica and Matt for the info, im planing to order an alembic next year, and with so many options and so beautifull instruments im trying to decide what i want and what i need.
thanks again.
drz
Junior
Username: drz

Post Number: 35
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Sunday, July 11, 2004 - 7:14 pm:   Edit Post

I love that body style. Can I have the same on my next purchase? For reference when ordering, Is it called the "Valentino II" body style as mentioned above and can I get it in a lefty six string? WOW!!!! Very Nice.
2400wattman
New
Username: 2400wattman

Post Number: 9
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2005 - 8:32 pm:   Edit Post

Attn: to Mica, How much would this bass cost now? I can't really seem to find a way to get a quote on the quote page. Thank you.
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2667
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post

Adam; I just ran the following on the quote generator. Some of the details aren't exactly like Val's bass (body shape, body lams, etc.), some I don't know (like the back plates), and some are probably incorrect. This of course ignores monthly specials, but should get you in the ballpark of what to expect. If you're really interested in getting a bass similar to this one, you should call Val and get a quote from him.

Essence 4400.00
3 Purpleheart neck laminates 600.00
Mother of pearl ovals 200.00
Knobby peghead 600.00
Coco bolo top 1000.00
Ash body 0.00
Coco bolo back 1300.00
Triple Omega body shape 1600.00
Gold plated logo and script 150.00
Bridge block 0.00
Half moon tailpiece 0.00
Brass backplate (for model electronics) 235.00
Polished brass hardware 0.00
Europa/Rogue electronics 550.00
Total Price 10635.00
bassfingers
New
Username: bassfingers

Post Number: 8
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Valentino
I've never been sure about the Triple Omega shape in the past but this one is winning me over.I love any Alembic in Coco Bolo but in this bass I can see elements of the Essence,the Stanley Clarke and Greg Lake's old 'crab claws' 8 string.It draws all these together yet manages to look totally fresh and unlike any of them.Unmistakably Alembic and undeniably gorgeous.
bigredbass
Senior Member
Username: bigredbass

Post Number: 490
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2005 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post

OK, I'm confused . . .

To duplicate the pictured bass, is it $5200 or $10365 ? ? ?

I just love that shape. Val, did you come up with that totally on your own, or was it a collaboration? And I think the accent line echoes the stripes beneath the headstock lams, I just love the 'pinstripe' effect.

J o e y
keith_h
Advanced Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 265
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 4:41 am:   Edit Post

$5200 was the 2002 price but Mica started with a Europa not an Essence.

Keith
bigredbass
Senior Member
Username: bigredbass

Post Number: 492
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 11:29 am:   Edit Post

I'm really dealing with a bad case of brain fade here . . . I'm even more confused than before. How can you use the 2002 price list, and why start from a Europa when even I can see the round bottom from the original Essence planform? ? ?

Do I just need to sleep for a week and come back, up my meds? ?

J o e y
jalevinemd
Advanced Member
Username: jalevinemd

Post Number: 258
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post

Having had an original guitar built, my understanding is that if you are going for a unique instrument, the platform used by Alembic reflects the options you're looking for - number of laminates, electronics, neck-thru vs set-neck, wood selection etc...That way you get the most for your money. The body shape seems to be the least expensive component and can be almost anything, though there's obviously the extra charge for the new template.
kenbass4
Intermediate Member
Username: kenbass4

Post Number: 191
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post

Joey,

If you look at Mica's post quoting $5200, it is dated November 14, 2002; hence the 2002 prices. They probably priced it from a Europa to get the included items like purpleheart neck lams, MOP ovals, etc. included free. The Valentino Body was probably based on the Essence shape, but you'll have to consult with Valentino on that one.

I'd go for the sleep, cause you gotta have the doctors up the meds, and in my experience, that's just too much trouble! :-)
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2677
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 2:01 pm:   Edit Post

Joey; I reran my same quote generator config but this time starting with the Europa instead of the Essence.

The list for a Europa is now 6,300 instead of the 4,600 in 2002.

The upgrade from two to three Purpleheart neck lams is 200 as in Mica's quote.

Mica quoted 0 for the Coco Bolo top, which may have been a monthly special; the top adds 1,000.

The Valentino II body shape is not in the quote generator. Mica quoted in in 2002 as a 400 upgrade to a Europa; I don't know what the current cost for that body shape would be. I chose the Triple Omega in the generator which added 1,600.

Unmentioned in Mica's quick quote were:

The Knobby peghead at 600

The Coco Bolo back which I'm assuming is there from the picture at 1,300

The logo looks gold plated rather than bronze, so I added the gold plated logo and script in the generator at 150

Here's the quote generator results:

Europa 6300.00
3 Purpleheart neck laminates 200.00
Mother of pearl ovals 0.00
Aluminum side dots 0.00
Knobby peghead 600.00
Coco bolo top 1000.00
Ash body 0.00
Coco bolo back 1300.00
Triple Omega body shape 1600.00
Gold plated logo and script 150.00
Bridge block 0.00
Half moon tailpiece 0.00
Brass backplate (for model electronics) 0.00
Polished brass hardware 0.00
Europa/Rogue electronics 0.00
Total Price 11150.00

The base Europa price increased 37%. If the 400 quote for the Val II upgrade increased by 37% as well, then that new number would be 550, substantially less than the quote for the Triple-O upgrade. Add the 3rd neck lam at 200 and forget the Knobby peghead, any back lam, the Coco Bolo top and the gold logo, then the total would be 7,050. You could probably pick up the Coco Bolo on a monthly special, but the back lam is still going to cost you maybe 600. And if you really want the peghead, that's another 600. The big question is what's the current cost of the Val II body. But if I'm close, then with the right monthly special you could get a bass like this one for maybe $8,250 before dealer discount and of course before the upcoming price increase. But that's just my very rough and probably very inaccurate guess.
valvil
Moderator
Username: valvil

Post Number: 798
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 5:27 pm:   Edit Post

This bass does not have a coco bolo back. If you wanted to add one it would be an extra 600$ to add a back laminate plus 1000$ for the coco bolo back.
The cost for that body would be about 1000-1200 at current prices. I'd have to check with Susan to be sure as it's not in our price list. Dave's pretty much on target with the rest.

Valentino
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2678
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 6:34 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks Val!!
crgaston
New
Username: crgaston

Post Number: 6
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 7:00 pm:   Edit Post

Is there a picture of one of these as a 5 string floating around anywhere? Also, if you like Cocobolo, try pricing this as a King Deluxe.
2400wattman
Junior
Username: 2400wattman

Post Number: 11
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2005 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post

Well well well, it seems I have created a bit of a stir over this beautiful bass. So is anybody going to order it before me? I mean, how is it that anybody deny that this an absolutely beautiful instrument with FORM AND FUNCTION as it's strong suits. I cannot afford it right now so, I know somebody will beat me to it,again.I believe that this could be a very popular production model(maybe a less expensive Triple O model?). It's just sooooo nice. Take Care everybody
valvil
Moderator
Username: valvil

Post Number: 799
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2005 - 1:03 pm:   Edit Post

So far this is a one-of-a-kind. It has one cool little feature that you can't see very well from the front, the neck is sandwitched between 2 veneers of Vermillion.
Anyone is welcome to be next. :-)

Valentino
byoung
Intermediate Member
Username: byoung

Post Number: 155
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, December 03, 2005 - 7:45 am:   Edit Post

Valentino,

Nothing is true without pictures :-).

So, are you going to prove that it has a vermillion sandwich?

Everybody sing! Picture pages, picture pages...

Apologies to the Captain Kangaroo fans out there.

Brad
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2686
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, December 04, 2005 - 7:15 am:   Edit Post

I've taken the liberty of altering the picture to illustrate what I think Val was referring to.
wishbass
Intermediate Member
Username: wishbass

Post Number: 181
Registered: 5-2011
Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2012 - 7:46 am:   Edit Post

I've decided,when it comes to the fully custom Alembics(omega cuts,etc.)all of your basses are my faves,and this one in particular.My current fantasy custom would be a suped up Spoiler,but if I had money to burn,I would own me one of these,either a cocobolo,or 5a quilt top.Can't wait to see what you come up with next.......

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