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glocke
Senior Member
Username: glocke

Post Number: 940
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 3:32 am:   Edit Post

Just curious what other peoples cutoff for playing outdoor gigs are in terms of weather/temperature...

Currently, I am playing once a month with some less experienced musicians, mostly as a favor to one of them who is helping me out with some other things. Flat out told them for the start that I wasn't looking to commit to anything, and didn't really want to gig, but Id jam with them once a month until they found another bass player that fits in with them. They kept asking me to do gigs with them, and I kept saying no as I was really kind of in a "retirement mode" and had no interest in the late nights and work that went into playing out, but recently relented and agreed to do one gig with them, it is this friday night.

It is an outdoors gig Friday, well cant even call it a gig playing for free at a party essentially..Highs during the during are expected to be 67 dg F, lows are 47 dg F, and it looks like it may rain. I am guessing that by the time we start playing it will be in the high 50's. There are no heaters, it is not a tent, it is an exposed stage.

The person hosting claims to have a cover of some sort over the stage, and some plastic that drops down over the sides, but it doesn't sound like it is anything that work for something other than a light drizzle.

I've been trying to get the point across that we may need to think about bailing on this one unless they can move it inside. I keep telling these guys that no matter how badly they want to play in front of people, playing in the cold (below 70 dg F), just downright sucks, especially without a heat source like a propane heater, add in the chance of rain and equipment getting wet and possibly damaged because of inadequate protection from the weather.

I've also asked a KB player friend of mine who plays professionally on the east coast regional jam band circuit to sit in with us (for a fee that the band is splitting), and he is expressing many of these same concerns...

I think the inexperience and enthusiasm of these guys is clouding their judgement to a large extent, as they pretty much have the mentality "the show must go on"...

Thoughts ? Bands Ive been involved with before have cancelled under similar conditions, so I don't think I am being that much of an old fogey...
jon_jackson
Intermediate Member
Username: jon_jackson

Post Number: 151
Registered: 12-2008
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 5:00 am:   Edit Post

We played at a winery dinner under much the same circumstances two weeks ago. Once the temp got down into the low 50's, continuing to play was not an option. Tuning was almost impossible once the sun went down, the temperature dropped and the strings contracted / the necks moved. I normally play finger-style, but the temp slowed my ability to play quickly. I tried a pick but, like the guitar players, I couldn't keep a grip on it. We stopped after 80 minutes, about half after the sun set and the temperature dropped.

My thoughts? Without a heat source, it will be a very difficult gig.
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 2006
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 5:12 am:   Edit Post

Did it once during a UK winter(cold & damp)..never again!!!
There is always the chance that the fingerboard may suddenly think it is outside and want to grow, ie warp..highly unlikely but there is always that possibility
keith_h
Senior Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 1806
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 7:27 am:   Edit Post

I've cancelled paid gigs due to weather. For a free gig I wouldn't think twice about cancelling for the weather. While you will be ok for a short while it doesn't take very long before those 50's make your fingers stiff and the strings start to cause finger pain. As Paul TBO always said, "There will always be another". While he was talking Alembics it could be used for any number of situations.
murray
Intermediate Member
Username: murray

Post Number: 137
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 8:39 am:   Edit Post

Did a Folk Festival gig in France with my Fender BG29 Acoustic Bass Guitar and re-chargeable amp. It was on a mountain and so hot that I could smell the paint on the guitar reacting. That is my outside working guitar and it has also done gigs when snowing! The show must go on and all that. I wouldn't do it with the Alembic, however. Glynn
jzstephan
Intermediate Member
Username: jzstephan

Post Number: 134
Registered: 1-2012
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 10:28 am:   Edit Post

Here is some union verbiage that I feel is generous regarding conditions of performance:

"In venues where the Musicians perform, management shall maintain a temperature range of 67 degrees F. to 89 degrees F. and relative humidity of at least 40%. The Musicians shall not be required to play any indoor Service if the temperature is less than 67 degrees or more than 89 degrees. If a question should arise, the Personnel Manager shall determine the temperature and advise the Union Steward or his/her designee before the "A" is given. Should atmospheric conditions be outside of the limits stated in this Section, or should any other extreme climatic conditions cause discomfort to a Musician or otherwise impair his/her ability to perform, the Musician may in good faith, after notifying the Union Steward or his/her designee, choose not to play the Service without penalty.

When performing outdoors there shall be adequate security for the Musicians and their instruments. Instruments shall not be stored in direct sunlight or at freezing or near freezing temperatures. The Orchestra shall not be required to play if the onstage outdoor temperature is less than 57 degrees or more than 90 degrees. Musicians shall not be required to sit in direct sun or rain."
funkyjazzjunky
Senior Member
Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 836
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post

If this is for free, I would say 'No thank you'

VMG
stout71
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Username: stout71

Post Number: 87
Registered: 7-2011
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post

I concur with everyone above. I doubt this gig falls into any sort of union protection (since no one in the group is likely a member, unless you are of course). However, it still makes total sense.

I wouldn't do the gig and I'd tell the other dudes to get over it. If they are that hungry to play, they can probably find someone else for the gig.
pauldo
Senior Member
Username: pauldo

Post Number: 880
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 1:15 pm:   Edit Post

For your situation I would kindly decline. Which would also emphasize your position in the band ('just helping out, not committing to be a full time member').

All I know Greg is that eventually all this bad karma that has been piling up in your direction is going to turn around and come back as some VERY good fortune!
glocke
Senior Member
Username: glocke

Post Number: 941
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 3:34 pm:   Edit Post

"For your situation I would kindly decline. Which would also emphasize your position in the band ('just helping out, not committing to be a full time member'). "

Yeah, I think thats probably going to be what happens...In hindsight I should have told them no from the start and that they were nuts for thinking of playing outside at night at the end of october. I get their enthusiasm, even though these guys are older (35-50), its a first band I think for most or all of them.

"All I know Greg is that eventually all this bad karma that has been piling up in your direction is going to turn around and come back as some VERY good fortune!"

Overall I consider myself fortunate in a musical sense...Years past I've had the opportunity to play some fantastic gigs, get a couple of CD's under my belt, and had always been in projects with players that were just downright stellar in terms of their playing ability and coolness. Past couple of years has been a little bit of a different story, not sure why, but it is what it is...Currently I am enjoying playing, and am content with that and happy to leave the late gigging nights, and all the work and expense it involves to others.
that_sustain
Member
Username: that_sustain

Post Number: 66
Registered: 8-2012
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 9:36 pm:   Edit Post

I used to play in a very dusty farm garage in the summer, when i was 19. I had other basses, but just had to use the all maple Essence. It just sounded too good. Suprisingly...the tone pots didn't go scratchy and the neck didn't move. Best times of my life.
bigredbass
Senior Member
Username: bigredbass

Post Number: 1939
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 9:52 pm:   Edit Post

They're in the grips of the Red Mist and GOT to do it. You don't. I'm through being 'polite' for guys that just won't help themselves, I'm worth more than that, and I'm sure you are too. They'll find another wanna-be that'll jump right in the deep end with them.

J o e y
lbpesq
Senior Member
Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 5250
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 10:34 pm:   Edit Post

For some people, playing out is so much fun that they're willing to do it in adverse conditions. For others, it's not worth it. Neither is right. Neither is wrong. But there's often problems when both types are in the same band. To each his own.

Bill, tgo
glocke
Senior Member
Username: glocke

Post Number: 942
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 3:36 am:   Edit Post

"I used to play in a very dusty farm garage in the summer, when i was 19. I had other basses, but just had to use the all maple Essence. It just sounded too good. Suprisingly...the tone pots didn't go scratchy and the neck didn't move. Best times of my life."

Everything is better when you are 19...weed, women, etc..etc..

At 45 its a different story...
serialnumber12
Senior Member
Username: serialnumber12

Post Number: 1004
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 4:54 am:   Edit Post

people always want somthing for free........fuckem!
cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member
Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 1310
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 7:24 am:   Edit Post

Did a 47F outdoor gig 28 years ago (Golden, CO in mid-March), but fortunately A) it was sunny and B) I was the stage manager. I didn't have any problems, but the talent suffered (ever see someone try to play trumpet with heavy gloves on?).
This past weekend I did sound for a tent gig; 55-60 and damp (no precipitation during the show, but it had been drizzling all day). I was OK for $100 and working my ears, not my fingers, but you really don't want to do this for free, Greg.

Peter
gtrguy
Senior Member
Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 513
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 17, 2012 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post

I always worry about getting electrocuted if it is raining (really!) unless you are on an elevated covered stage.

I was so impressed when I saw Prince perform in the rain on TV at the Super Bowl a couple years back and he did not even bat an eye. I am not a big fan of his stuff, but that was so professional!
glocke
Senior Member
Username: glocke

Post Number: 947
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 11:22 am:   Edit Post

Just an update on this...It rained all morning up until 2-3 pm Friday afternoon. Really had to put my foot down with a loud and resounding no f'ing way, which pissed these guys off Im sure, especially when the sun made a brief appearance around 5 or so..

Glad I put my foot down...the next day (saturday) I stopped by since it was an all weekend party. Apparently someone tried to play in our place Friday night but had to stop since heavy fog was developing, and all the equipment (instruments, amps, board) was just getting soaked with dew, than there was yet more rain.
smokin_dave
Advanced Member
Username: smokin_dave

Post Number: 353
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Sunday, October 21, 2012 - 8:55 pm:   Edit Post

I once played an outdoor show where the temp. was in the low 50's F. heavy low cloud cover with a steady 20 mph wind.After 15 min. of this nonsence I asked for a 12 bar blues in the key of A so I could at least keep my fretting hand inside my coat pocket to keep it warm for a bit.

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