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glocke
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Post Number: 840
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 8:41 am:   Edit Post

Just curious if anyone has ever gotten hassled for playing Alembic basses/guitars?

Had an "encounter" last night at a rehearsal with someone who is a friend of the people I am playing with. Short of it is this individual was drunk/stoned/angry at the world and proceeded to rip me a new one because I play what he thinks is a "$25,000" dollar bass....Now we all know what the cost of used Alembic series basses are, and they are far short of that, but they are still alot of money.

Not the first time this has happened with this group of people, as I have had some snarky comments thrown at me in the past regarding my basses, and the fact that I have more than one, and I have had other comments thrown at me when showing up at open mics and jam sessions with my signature deluxe.

Previously I just ignored the comments, but last nights encounter was downright hostile. Im normally pretty laid back, so it takes alot to piss me off, but the one thing I do not tolerate are people who act like downright assholes.

I listened to about ten minutes of this guys insults, (ten minutes too long), debated whether or not it was worth it trying to tell the guy what people do with their money is not any of his business, but instead packed up my shit up and left telling the other guys in the band to give me a call when they want to play music and not hang out with drunken idiots.

Now this guy, and one other guy in the band have been unemployed for going on at least two years now, they don't have much money, and I suppose are pretty angry about it but I don't see that as an excuse for being an ignorant ass.

I've also been at the other end, only being able to afford very inexpensive gear, yet being in bands with guys that were playing expensive instruments and I never felt jealousy or anger because I could not afford the type of gear they had.
pace
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Post Number: 682
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 9:16 am:   Edit Post

" debated whether or not it was worth it trying to tell the guy what people do with their money is not any of his business,"

jeez Greg, haven't you heard?

Capitalism is dead. We've entered a new era where the playing field is going to be level, and the wealth spread around.... Even if that means chopping your Series II into little pieces!!!!!

:-)
crobbins
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Post Number: 814
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 9:17 am:   Edit Post

I've had the same encounters with people when I ride my highend Cannondale mountain bike around. It aint no Huffy......Oh yeah, check your email...
sonicus
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Post Number: 1657
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 9:56 am:   Edit Post

glocke, I think you took the " high road" and did not give a rebuttal at the indignant fellows level. I would think that the folks that you have your musical association with will straighten out the insecure drunk's attitude . In situations such as this it is envy and insecurity that motivates such negative behavior ,the alcohol of course can remove the inhibitions and can open feelings of inadequacy where they have been suppressed from the past and present. When I personally encounter such behavior I TRY to consider the source and walk away such as you did . This I have learned is the best thing to do, FINALLY in my advancing years in this life.

Don't let the music stop!
Sonic Regards, Wolf AKA Sonicus
terryc
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Post Number: 1519
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post

The ex wife's boyfriend who is a bass player calls my MK 'the coffee table' but he is just jealous 'cos he just has a Fender J and not an Alembic haha
thumbsup
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Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 4:29 pm:   Edit Post

I've only been palying Alembics for a few years and have yet to experience any negative comments or jerks.
I just have a hard time keeping other bass players paws off my Alembics! :-)
And then I'm the jerk! Go Figure.

Glocke probably did the smart thing by leaving.
You would like to tell those types a thing or two but it would'nt do any good but start a fight which is probably what the fool was looking for.
Funny...no job no money but had enough to buy a couple of six packs!
Sounds like Glocke has his priorities right! He does own some realy nice Alembic Basses! You don't get there by spending your last couple of bucks on booze or drugs.
(as Charley Sheen would say) Glocke is winning!
hydrargyrum
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 4:56 pm:   Edit Post

I only own one main guitar, but I worked damned hard to get it. Anyone who cares to give me grief about that will find my company scarce. Some of us care enough about what we are doing to seek out the best. It has nothing to do with politics, personal behavior, or social strata. It's all about the love of music, and choosing to put your priorities there.
dannobasso
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Post Number: 1353
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 7:23 pm:   Edit Post

Been dealing with haters almost as long as I've been playing. First with my Ripper in 1978 by Fenderheads. Then when I had a hybrid fretless. Then when I got my Spoiler in 83. It continues to the present day. But one must endure and after a while folk will give up. I'm happy with my axes and get far more joy than the haters. I'm single and no kids so I spend on what I love. Others chose fluids and substances and can'y look at what they worked for. Perhaps thats why they hate. Be Zen, walk away and enjoy the fruits of your labors.
tmoney61092
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Post Number: 678
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 7:55 pm:   Edit Post

don't exactly own an "Alembic" but do have some Alembic guts in a bass i made. going off of what Danno said about working to get an instrument, i recently purchased a Fender American Jazz that had been in this shop for a month and every week I'd come in and play it and just dream about owning it because it played like butter(in a good way of course). found out the store had layaway which had never ever crossed my mind and i instantly put some money down, then after a couple weeks of setting money aside i finally brought her home. I've played her in my church's worship band a couple times along with my Gibson Victory Artist bass and have had people come up and look at them and then they would look at me as if saying "wow, your parents must be rich for an 18 year old to own these 2 basses" and I would just casually throw in there a good ol' "yea took me a good while to save up to buy these basses" and the surprising look on their face made it all worth it. so that being said, let the haters hate Greg and be proud of what you've acquired :-)

~Taylor
ajdover
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 8:59 pm:   Edit Post

The only time I've had a negative reaction as regards playing Alembics was when I was in Iraq with one. Other than that, I've had nothing but compliments. Today, I went to a Talk Bass gathering in Raleigh, and my Series II Entwistle Replica garnered a lot of compliments as well as requests to play it.

Alan
bigredbass
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Post Number: 1623
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Posted on Sunday, March 06, 2011 - 9:29 pm:   Edit Post

I'm about to turn 56 next month (for which I'm starting the '56 is the new 17' campaign), and I've learned life is too short to tolerate drunk/stoned/angry at the world nitwits for more than 30 seconds at any one sitting.

It would tell ME a lot that anybody who was without a job for two years is having a drunken pity party at a rehearsal instead of mopping floors at WalMart if necessary to keep food on the table and the lights on. Damn sure came up with some money for some bud and a few Buds, eh?

I can always find lots of reasons NOT to get my Carry Permit . . . .

Ever notice it's always cats with cheap basses that always start the 'Coffee Table Bass Rag'? Never hear that from someone with another higher quality axe. I tell them my other favorite bass is Squier, that REALLY twists their head up !

J o e y
lbpesq
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 6:50 am:   Edit Post

Joey:

Are we long-lost twins? I, too, am celebrating completing my 56th year on the planet next month. However, I thought 56 is the new 22. There are a couple of things I might like to indulge in that 17 year olds have to wait to do! lol

Back to this thread, the only time I've ever heard anything negative about my Alembics, the source was clearly jealous. It is what it is. Sour grapes is sour grapes!

Bill, tgo

(Message edited by lbpesq on March 07, 2011)
sonicus
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 7:10 am:   Edit Post

Well ____Bill and Joey , I am right behind you . I will be 55 on the 14th of March. "Such A Long Strange Trip It's Been " but I like it !
Sonic Regards ! ,
Wolf AKA Sonicus_____
811952
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 7:43 am:   Edit Post

50 in October. For the most part I've gotten only envy for my instruments. Occasionally I get the "all hat, no cattle" look from some musicians until I start playing, but I've only ever had one person (a bluegrass guy) refer to the Alembic as "fancy plywood." Of course, I was a lowly college student (soon to be dropout) who gigged and gave lessons at minimum wage to pay for it..

John
darkstar01
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 1:48 pm:   Edit Post

i used to get hassled about playing my custom (dark star) out when i first got it, because i was like 17 at the time... which just kind of annoyed people, i'm sure. but, once they saw that i could actually play it, they'd usually shut up. people asking me how much things cost has always really, really annoyed me though... so i didn't really put up with that too well.
odd thing is, when i play my upright out.. no one asks what it costs. and let's just say it's way more than any alembic i've owned.
cje
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 1:57 pm:   Edit Post

So not to hijack the thread, but how do you all handle the "how much did that thing cost?" question?
benson_murrensun
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 2:09 pm:   Edit Post

"So not to hijack the thread, but how do you all handle the "how much did that thing cost?" question?"

1 - don't tell. Or,
2 - lie. Or,
3 - ask them how much money they have. Or,
4 - get a really good deal on an Alembic and then proudly state the actual price you paid.
briant
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 3:27 pm:   Edit Post

@benson: It depends on who is asking. My normal answer is "a lot".
byoung
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Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 3:48 pm:   Edit Post

I also like, "well it started out expensive, and just sorta got out of control". I usually tell them the story of how the bass came to be too.
terrace
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 4:21 pm:   Edit Post

Up here in Canada most people have never heard of Alembic let alone seen one.However once they've heard it they usually come up to me and remark on the great sound which leads me into explaining about the mothership,Dead,Airplane and believe it or not the bass player from Nazareth who are "HUGH" up here.Oh yeah 56 in June.
edwin
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 5:31 pm:   Edit Post

I've only gotten grief once about a bass. My old band was opening for Government Mule and when Allen Woody saw my Starfire with mods, he asked me what the hell I screwed up a perfectly good bass for (in somewhat spicier language). When he heard it, he changed his tune! Actually, he was a hell of nice guy.
thumbsup
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 8:21 pm:   Edit Post

I already turned 56 which I thought was the new 35? 17 or 22..nope wouldn't go there again :-)
Most of the time when people see my Alembic the comment is either "man how much did that cost" in which I will answer "well they're not cheap but it's not about the money" OR "Man that thing cost $20,000 in which I'll answer " Some new maybe but if you can find a used one they're much more affordable, sometimes I'll tell them actual paid..depends on my mood and who's asking...
OR the best one all...."Cool,an "Olympic Bass"....I 'll laugh and correct them.

Steve
stab
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 8:38 pm:   Edit Post

When anybody asks, "Wow, how much did THAT baby cost?" I just say, "I don't know... I STOLE IT!"

(Of course I didn't, though)
edwin
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 8:51 pm:   Edit Post

This is the reaction I mostly get:

jazzyvee
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 11:11 pm:   Edit Post

Most of the bass players I've met on gigs know of Alembics and have a lot of respect for them and know they are expensive. Usually they don't know the specific model so I usually get the phrase " Wow that's a Stanley Clarke bass, that must have cost you a fortune". I just say yes it is and it did.

If it's not my Clarkee bass and someone asks me about it I tell them it's a hand made bass by the same company who made basses for Stanley Clarke, John Entwhistle, John Paul Jones etc so they get an idea of the pedigree.
Of course I've had some players who have told me that they are over priced, old fashioned and not worth the money. I'm pretty laid back and usually just tell them that it's a good that there are different brands out there so that we can all find what suits our taste and budget.

The punters usually know straight away that it's different and looks expensive but not what brand. Which i guess is immaterial if it sounds good.

On one of my first gigs with my Clarkee bass, one of the guys in the audience recognised the bass and told me, in the interval, that he has a good friend in the USA who is Clarkee's studio engineer. He's now on my gig email list and tries to get to my gigs and if I have a different alembic he notices straight away and usually asks to take a photograph.

I don't recall anyone ever being offensively negative and I don't waste my time talking to drunks at gigs or anywhere else.

Some of the messages I've read in this thread and others in the past about other musicians responses to Alembics, It seems like we have to justify our purchase and almost play down the very reasons we have bought it to avoid belittling other basses and hence the people who do not have alembics.



Jazzvee
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bigredbass
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Posted on Monday, March 07, 2011 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post

"It's an Olympic."

"I got it for 50 bucks at the Police Auction."

"Wasn't that expensive, sold the Porsche Turbo, put a little money with it, no problem."

"I only play this cause I don't want to take my '54 Precision or stack-knob '60 Jazz out in public anymore."

"Yeah, I bought it just before they busted my Colombian business partners."

"Actually, it IS made from a Herman Miller coffee table. . . ."

"Stanley left it at the house last time he was in town. Called me later and said just wail on it 'till Vic or Marcus come through town, and send it home with them. Wants his little Spellbinder amp back too, the nerve of the guy . . ."

"It was in the dumpster behind Newsted's house . . . . "

" . . . well, I LIKE green."

"Actually, it's was built for me by people I've never met face-to-face who have included me as family. From that standpoint alone, it's priceless to me."

Nuff said.

J o e y
hifiguy
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 8:32 am:   Edit Post

The (excellent) sound man at the club my band plays at quite regularly immediately noticed my Clarke Sig Std and had nothing but complements. Turns out he'd owned an Alembic in his bass-playing past.

Recording engineers have given me the occasional cross-eyed "but it's not a _Fender_ dude" look. They get quiet after hearing it.

Always happy to say how much I paid to show how smart (actually lucky) I was. $1500 brand new at the GC Memorial Day sale, 1999, case extra. The bass had been there a year and they wanted it gone. I just happened to walk in to GC that day and was more than happy to oblige.

And just my $.02, 54 last fall.
murray
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 8:35 am:   Edit Post

A good bass playing mate of mine used to say my Alembic (and also my JD) were like coffee tables! - mind you, I played his really old filthy Precision once and needed a shower after touching it. He used WD40 whenever he could on it. I think I'll stick (not literally thank goodness) to my nice clean Orion. Glynn
gtrguy
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post

Good comments! I have had it happen a couple of times with the 'Barbie Bass'. I would have an understanding with the band that whenever anyone is hassled over anything they all gather around and look ready to kick some ass! I would discuss it at practice before it happens, because it may happen over a girl, a song, a drunk ahole, or anything at a club. And, beware later outside the club and play it smart. I have friends who were beaten up this way so it's no joke.

It's rare but be prepared. Your instrument may represent something insulting to folks. I drive an old 1981 Porsche in the Summer and believe me, people are not very friendly when I just drive it around either. Guys in $25K SUV's worth more than my car will act like it's a new Turbo or something and try to muscle you out of the way.

Dave
lbpesq
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post

I couldn't help noticing many of the situations described above happened when people were drinking. As many of you are aware, my band routinely plays cannabis events. These types of problems just don't seem to arise when the audience is stoned instead of drunk. O.K., now I'll get down from my soapbox!

Bill, tgo
murray
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 3:03 pm:   Edit Post

I mentioned a while ago that a lot of people over in UK don't know the name. They think an Alembic is A...Lembic and are polite but unknowing. Point I would pick up on from earlier is that I also had a studio guy comment very favourably on what a perfect instrument my Orion was to record direct. He didn't say anything about my playing but thankfully I know him as a master of winding folks up by adopting a sarcastic put-down approach. Keeps us alive to the humour of life and our feet on the ground, I guess. He was no stranger to the cannabis medication,'tis rumoured, Bill.
murray
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 3:17 pm:   Edit Post

Just to ask, Bill - does your soapbox stand on an Auralex Gramma ? (my other latest post).
byoung
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Posted on Tuesday, March 08, 2011 - 4:52 pm:   Edit Post

Bill,

The only response I've ever gotten from a stoner about my bass was:

...are you going to eat that?

And I'm sure you can name the movie.

Bradley
lbpesq
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 7:11 am:   Edit Post

Dumb & Dumber?
afrobeat_fool
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 9:56 am:   Edit Post

Motorcycle cop from "up in smoke"
lbpesq
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 11:15 am:   Edit Post

Far out, man!
davr35
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 5:21 pm:   Edit Post

I would never be negative about someone's choice of bass or strings or amp...etc. It's all a personal choice and if you can afford it cool. I can't afford it but I have my beloved Stingray.And when I can afford it I will have an Alembic
sonicus
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 6:18 pm:   Edit Post

davr35, I hope that good fortune will be with you soon that you may have the Alembic of your choice !
richbass939
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Posted on Wednesday, March 09, 2011 - 8:48 pm:   Edit Post

I rarely have anyone give a snarky look or remark about my basses. Most of them probably don't know much about Alembic. Generally, people around this town are pretty cool to play and hang with. If someone asks to play them and I know the person will be careful, I usually say yes.

About price, they usually don't ask. If they do, I say that they aren't cheap but I'm really happy with them. If they are really interested, I guess they can go online and look.

STAB's response: "Wow, how much did THAT baby cost?" I just say, "I don't know... I STOLE IT!"
I love it -- gotta use that one -- sure to get a laugh.

If people want to be confrontational about the price, they will probably think I'm bragging or lying; you lose that one either way. Jerks are like stray dogs. Don't feed them and they will go away.

Joey and Bill, triplets maybe? I'll be 56 early next month. The last 6 months have made me think that 56 is the new 70. I hope it all turns around; we'll see. I'll stop talking about what ails me. I'm sounding like an old man.

Rich
murray
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 12:36 am:   Edit Post

I think the Zebrawood of my Orion attracts comments and I see people looking at the make and most don't know it. It is strange that a well-kept guitar (something I have always done) very often doesn't bring comments out as much as some beaten up Precision or Telecaster with hardly any paint. People sometimes think it therefore must be a great instrument...NO...it just hasn't been looked after. As for letting people play or touch my Orion, I have to admit I rarely do - especially my mate I mentioned above who used WD40 on his bass ! and anyone else who wants a look and I have spotted them just eating a load of chicken drumsticks at the interval buffet! Guess I am too fussy, perhaps. Glynn
cozmik_cowboy
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:06 am:   Edit Post

But Glynn, chicken grease works better than FingerEase, and smells a lot better, too! :-)

Peter
88persuader
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:19 am:   Edit Post

At one time I played 3 different Alembics. Most of the comments I got were either "Alembic .. looks nice but I never heard of it!" OR more often ... they're nice but I'd take an American Fender over it any day. Some players are religiously pro Fender. And if I told them what the basses listed for I would get the universal "You're FN crazy for spending that much for any bass."
sonicus
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:20 am:   Edit Post

Beware the "Chicken Grease" on the Bass; Feral Cats might show up and try to drag the Bass away!
murray
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:20 am:   Edit Post

Is that how Jaco played 'The Chicken' then? Mmmmmm.....no wonder he was so finger-licken good! Glynn
sonicus
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:26 am:   Edit Post

Here you go . The Chicken.The Chicken
tubeperson
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:57 am:   Edit Post

Isn't it amazing that acoustic bass players think nothing of the large sums they feel necessary to find an instrument that gives their playing their voice, but many electric bass players are quick to criticise those of us that see it as a wise "tone" investment for our electric basses. Until a couple of years ago, I did not own a Fender, and quite frankly, most of them do not have that magical old school tone, nor do they feel right to me. For many years, I questioned why so many electric players raved about Fenders. The new stuff, especially from the custom shop, is not well made, at least from my purchases of a 50th anniversary jazz, and a 1959 NOS Precision. So many bass players do have that Fender bias, but if they could just play an Alembic, for a goodly amount of time, they would have to open their eyes, and hear the clarity without so much bloat in their tone. BTW, hassled does not have a "T" in it (see topic listing).

For what its worth I am 56.
byoung
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 8:14 am:   Edit Post

Nick,

You got it. The motorcycle cop.
rjmsteel
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 8:49 am:   Edit Post

Ditto on the Cost of String basses, (and their cousins).
Here in Chicago we have downtown on Michigan Ave.: The Fine Arts Building, where they actually make/build cello`s and violins. My wife and I went there once a number of years ago and the guy at one of the shops Wanted me to play one of his cello`s, (BTW a really cool thing to insist on). Needless to say the price tag was VERY high and I was pretty nervous about playing his instrument.

Kagan & Gaines on Wabash Ave. back in 1978 had a 100 year old instrument, (all Maple string bass), in their "room" and need I tell you all how much that was!

These are instruments that Are probably worth the price as are Alembics.

Also for what its worth I`m 51.
cozmik_cowboy
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post

A few years ago I was doing a live recording for a string quartet. The violinist was having technical difficulties, and remarked "You spend a million bucks on a fiddle, and 3 dollar rosin bag won't work." He was perfectly serious. It was a nice-sounding fiddle.

Double nickels 4/1/11

Peter
lbpesq
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 12:32 pm:   Edit Post

It always amazes me how inexpensive our rock 'n roll instruments are in comparison to classical instruments. One group regularly spends tens, if not hundreds, of thousands on pro quality instruments, while the other bitches if it costs more than $1500. Compared to top-of-the-line orchestral instruments, Alembics are really dirt cheap!

Bill, tgo
sonicus
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 1:00 pm:   Edit Post

And there we have it ; http://able2know.org/topic/94136-1

(it is fun for me to be a purveyor of links OR linker-upper)
murray
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Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 4:37 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks, Sonicus, for the Chicken notation - I am tempted to make a separate case for the club about using the actual notes instead of TAB as I am a reader. I use, and rely on, chord charts and notes but find TAB a bit limiting - I know it tells you where to put your fingers but not what rhythm to play. I do acknowledge that it is right for a lot of players when learning songs, especially guitarists, so am not knocking it - it just doesn't work for me. At the end, as long as people get where they want to then it doesn't really matter a great deal. Glynn
afrobeat_fool
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Username: afrobeat_fool

Post Number: 295
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 4:39 pm:   Edit Post

I hear that! My string bass is a German 5/8th made in 1870's and I spent twice as much on it as my Series 1. I felt it was worth it. The sound is soooo rich and thick it's palpable. Plus it is the last one Don Kinch reassembled and he did a wonderful job. For those who did not know of Don, he was the bassist for Disney from 38' thru 64'. We have all heard him and never knew it!
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 1675
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 4:57 pm:   Edit Post

Murray , I do not use tab at all. Just staff notation and by "ear" You can see the staff notation on the upper line, right ? The Tab was included in the file that I had. I don't really like tab either.
murray
Junior
Username: murray

Post Number: 49
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks, Sonicus ....I hope it didn't sound as if I was being critical of what you attached. It was just a separate thought. Glynn
darkstar01
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Username: darkstar01

Post Number: 317
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post

hey, speaking of expensive string instruments... anybody in the new york area want to buy my Wilfer? needs some work, but it's pretty sweet.
i'm supposed to be getting my new bass from Upton soon.. getting restless...
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 1676
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 5:25 pm:   Edit Post

Oh no problem murray. I agree it would be nice to post a transcription in just staff notation. The Chicken is one of my favorite tunes to jam on . I like to pull it out of my "Hat "at jams . As far as getting hassled about playing an Alembic, I remember once when Jaco walked into a place that I was playing at I just happened to be playing a 71 Fender P Bass. No lie that really happened and we talked ! I often wonder that if Jaco were still with us , if he would have gotten to love an Alembic , which model /style would he choose ? Elan /Europa/ Essence. Maybe a Series I Custom Fretless Jazz Bass with epoxy type finger board treatment ! YES______ LOL ! Thats it !

(Message edited by sonicus on March 10, 2011)
hankster
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Username: hankster

Post Number: 254
Registered: 6-2004
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 6:12 pm:   Edit Post

I agree about the relative cost of basses (electric) as compared to other instruments. Every time I play in a horn band with a sax player who doubles a bari and anything else, and has good horns, I know he or she is packing at least 15 grand worth of brass. the reverse snobbery of people who think our instruments are too precious really just reveals their own lack of experience. But really, we are lucky. As noted above, the cost of a decent upright can be prohibitive, and many horn players face real cost issues that we rarely do, even with our alembics.

Whenever I get a "how much does it cost" question, I defer it, but I often comment that it could be worse - I could play fiddle or bari sax.
thumbsup
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Username: thumbsup

Post Number: 281
Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Thursday, March 10, 2011 - 7:49 pm:   Edit Post

I've played and owned many different basses over the years as most in this club has..ricks, sting rays, ibenez, g&l etc...
but always considered myself a Fender man because a P bass was the first quality bass I owned, played and kept!
At some point (maybe ten years ago) I bought a Tobias w/barts because the dance band w/three piece horn section I was playing with said the bass wasn't cuttin.
Honestly the Tobias opened up another world! The Tobias was a little pricey compared to what I was used to at the time but I was so happy with this new sound it didn't matter.
Where I live the local music stores only stock Fenders and other mass production basses and thats pretty much it.
Then just approx 3 years ago I joined this club and (with club input & guidance) bought an Alembic sight unseen having never played one before!
Now this really was a whole new world!
Now I understand to an Alembian it's not about how much it cost. Truth be known previous owned basses are very affordable!
I rarely pick up the P bass any more or any of the others. I play my Alembics almost exclusively!
I was a originaly a Fender man but now I would have to say I'm am Alembic man but still have a soft spot in my heart for my Fender..kinda like my (first) ex wife :-)
I'm gonna play and I'm gonna fish..gee I'm gonna miss her!
murray
Junior
Username: murray

Post Number: 50
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Friday, March 11, 2011 - 12:47 am:   Edit Post

An interesting item of news was the staggering and very worthwhile amount ($1.7m) that was raised at auction, selling Eric Clapton's guitars. Good for him. One slight thought....a 1948 (year before I was born) Gibson raised $83,000, which is good, but was estimated to be worth $30,000. Even at $30,000 that is a lot of money for a guitar. Glynn
billostech
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Post Number: 97
Registered: 1-2011
Posted on Saturday, March 12, 2011 - 9:37 am:   Edit Post

I know the feeling Steve. I am a brand new Alembic player and am sad to say that all my other basses are now collecting dust...
sjhoffma
Intermediate Member
Username: sjhoffma

Post Number: 173
Registered: 5-2008
Posted on Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 1:37 pm:   Edit Post

I've not been hassled. I've had many jealous people give me crap, but in the end it was only because they wish they had the musical ability to warrant having such a nice guitar themselves.

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