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Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post

from Terrapin Station Concert Alpine Valley Ampitheatre:

the Godfather
Donald Pasewark (pasewark)
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Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 1:20 pm:   Edit Post

Here is a pic of Phil and this bass. Circa 9/2/78




Phil and Starfire
Donald Pasewark (pasewark)
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Posted on Thursday, April 03, 2003 - 3:52 pm:   Edit Post

Heres another photo from my files . . . .

Godfather
Donald Pasewark (pasewark)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2003 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post

By the way, the triangular blue sticker is the Apollo 8 mission insignia.

I'd love to know what all the knobs do. This is a Quadraphonic bass, right?

(Message edited by pasewark on April 04, 2003)
keavin
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Posted on Wednesday, March 17, 2004 - 12:01 pm:   Edit Post

now thats a real alembic!!!!!
bassman10096
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post

No kidding, Keavin! I saw the Godfather at the pictured Alpine Valley event. It was SORELY in need of a cleaning and other TLC!! Sad, for a bass that sounds so magnificent.

Bill
keavin
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post

phil,s ritch,what does care! i wonder does he still own the god father?, it resembles mine alot #12, w/all those knobs,(i caLL mine the god mother),because of the sweet sound, and the big butt!
keavin
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post

phil,s ritch,what does care! i wonder does he still own the god father?, it resembles mine alot #12, w/all those knobs,(i caLL mine the god mother),because of the sweet sound, and the big butt!
bassman10096
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post

I assumed Phil still owns it, since the event the picture was taken at was a Dead Show. Plus it was exhibited along with other Dead stage memorabilia (including many items I assume were designed and or built by Alembic in the day). It was pretty obvious the poor puppy hadn't been played in some time, though.
bassman10096
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Posted on Thursday, March 25, 2004 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post

I assumed Phil still owns it, since the event the picture was taken at was a Dead Show. Plus it was exhibited along with other Dead stage memorabilia (including many items I assume were designed and or built by Alembic in the day). It was pretty obvious the poor puppy hadn't been played with in some time, though.
edwin
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Posted on Monday, July 11, 2005 - 1:57 pm:   Edit Post

It seems that there might be a chance for us mortals to play this bass. From Phil's website:

Hopefully, that will happen in early October, when I'm planning a special Phil Lesh University (PLU) Wolf benefit. We are looking to have classes on improvisation and jam sessions with participants playing with me and the band. PLU will be open to all musicians including bass players. I am having my old bass "Big Brown" tuned up especially for PLU. There will also be tickets available for people who want to watch the classes, enjoy a BBQ with the band and watch the evening performance by Phil Lesh & Friends and Family. Check back later for more info.



Good luck!
Edwin
dubstar
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Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 9:22 am:   Edit Post

He played it last night...sick show

http://http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/2/246743.html?1132762505

http://www.philzone.org/discus/messages/2/246959.jpg



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(Message edited by dubstar on November 23, 2005)

(Message edited by dubstar on November 23, 2005)
davehouck
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Post Number: 2630
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2005 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for the news; and welcome to the group!
Here's a link that works a little better.
There are several pictures of the bass in the thread.
flaxattack
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Posted on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post

apparently phil needs help remembering what does what

i think there is a close up somewhere on the www
keavin
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Posted on Thursday, June 22, 2006 - 2:16 pm:   Edit Post

Poor Phil, He Looks Totally Lost with all those knobs..............Just play the freakin Bass line!
applejuice
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Posted on Monday, June 26, 2006 - 2:09 pm:   Edit Post

When I saw Phil in december 2005, I think he played this bass once. It was the only time the bass actually stood out from the rest of the music. When he was playing the Modulus 6 string basses, I heard nothing.
flaxattack
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 7:31 am:   Edit Post

i dont know his problem is and i am guessing its the speaker set up or whatever because it sounds good on sdbds etc but live unless youre really close in my eyes it sounds like poop
muddled and toneless not clear at all and
someone should drag him by his neck over to sit with susan....
pasewark
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Posted on Friday, June 30, 2006 - 7:47 am:   Edit Post

Both the modified Starfire and the modified EB0 that Phil had in the early 70s had very distinct tone. It's a tone I wish I could get even today! Check out the GD 4-29-71 Fillmore show, you'll see what I mean.
albrecht
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Posted on Saturday, September 02, 2006 - 1:08 pm:   Edit Post

thanx for that pix - what a bass! how to find close-ups would be appreciated...and I īd love to here that sound...again...Dickīs Picks 35 - ahhh, so sweet!
crobbins
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Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 6:31 pm:   Edit Post

What's the wiring setup for that bass?
edwin
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Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 8:52 pm:   Edit Post

It's at the core, a Superfilter. There are descriptions of this on the regular Alembic site.

Edwin
jseitang
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Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 10:37 pm:   Edit Post

playing a gulid starfire with hagstrom pick ups, with a superfilter with a f2b comes pretty darn close to phils tone from that era.
albrecht
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Posted on Tuesday, January 01, 2008 - 11:45 pm:   Edit Post

Hi, and I agree with "jseitang" - pretty darn close! I acheive it with a DARK STARīd De Armond Starfire, superfilter+F1-X. The pickups built by good man Fred Hammon are essential...(Hagstroms on steroids). And donīt forget to use a pick. Happy New Year to all Alembicians!
marshking710
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Posted on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:55 am:   Edit Post

yo albrecht, where's you find a de armond starfire. i've been looking and can't find one anywhere.
albrecht
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Posted on Sunday, March 09, 2008 - 3:54 am:   Edit Post

hi marsh-king, they often appear on the Swedish market, like this example: http://www.blocket.se/vi/15470075.htm?ca=10_s I bought my bass from the US, it was one Fred Hammon had used for testing his Dark Stars. itīs one awesome bass with wicked pickups!
jazzyvee
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Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post

I found this link to a video with Phil playing the starfire ( i think).
I've been looking around for some Dead video's to see if I like any of their music. I really don't know anything about them.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBAuaJKMOTg

You may enjoy this anyway.


Jazzyvee
garth4664
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Registered: 10-2008
Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 6:23 pm:   Edit Post

Anyone played one of these?:
http://www.warwick.de/modules/produkte/produkt.php?katID=22043&cl=EN
I have a suspicion that this would be a great starting point for building a modern version of this bass.
edwin
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Posted on Saturday, February 13, 2010 - 11:24 pm:   Edit Post

That looks like a very cool bass, but one thing that sets it apart pretty greatly is the fact that it's a long scale. The Guilds are short scale basses and I think there's really something to the tone of a short scale. Still, I've to try out one of these Warwicks!
edwin's starfire
sonicus
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Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 12:06 am:   Edit Post

My old Guild/Alembic/pluto filtersMy old Guild/Alembic/pluto filters

I sold this Bass in 1978 But I still have another in mahogany that also has Alembic Modifications that I have owned since 1974
I will post some pics of it latter because I just lemon oiled the finger board and I am about to put on some NEW Pyramid Gold flat wound strings on it .I took it up to the 'Mother Ship " not that long ago to show.It has a very rare Alembic tail piece that was installed at the old 60 Brady St. Alembic location for me .Pics will follow of the one that I still have when I restring it .
elwoodblue
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Posted on Sunday, February 14, 2010 - 1:22 am:   Edit Post

I'm looking forward to seeing it Wolf,
...pretty dang cool : )
davehouck
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Posted on Tuesday, February 23, 2010 - 8:05 pm:   Edit Post

Nice picture Edwin!
edwin
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Posted on Wednesday, February 24, 2010 - 1:08 pm:   Edit Post

That was a fun day. Our set at High Sierra in 2007. It was about 115 degrees out. We did a 3pm set the next day that felt even hotter. Great festival, though!
dluxe
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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 8:55 pm:   Edit Post

Happy 70th Birthday Phil Lesh!!
sonicus
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Posted on Monday, March 15, 2010 - 9:06 pm:   Edit Post

Happy Birthday Phil Lesh . Thanks for the inspiration !
pasewark
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Posted on Tuesday, March 16, 2010 - 7:25 am:   Edit Post

The Birthday show was a lot of fun! One of the standouts for me was Chris Robinson (Black Crowes) sang Pigpens "Two Souls in Communion". The show went from 8pm to 2am. I'm still tired!
jakebass
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Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Tuesday, April 13, 2010 - 5:32 am:   Edit Post

A guy on Basschat UK has added some pics of this gear and a few of the Deads' stage rig some pics are duplicated but I figured you guys would find the thread interesting so here's a link.
http://basschat.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=84262&st=0&gopid=804847&#entry804847
Jake
pasewark
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Posted on Monday, April 26, 2010 - 4:07 pm:   Edit Post

I would love to see a diagram on the Godfathers knobs, which does what? Is that posted anywhere?
sonicus
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Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 11:28 pm:   Edit Post

Here is the promised quick pic of my remaining Guild Starfire taken in my cramped messy control room. Guild.Alembic.Sonicus.jpg
sonicus
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Posted on Tuesday, June 08, 2010 - 11:42 pm:   Edit Post

Here is another shot ! __________ Fine Alembic Custom Brass Work!
edwin
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 8:16 am:   Edit Post

Very nice! I've never seen a tailpiece like that before!

Do you know the year of the bass?

I like the Studer, too!
sonicus
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 8:46 am:   Edit Post

I was given a choice of various tailpiece designs when I took this Bass to Alembic at the old 60 Brady St. location for bridge & tailpiece replacement back around 1974 or so. This is the one that I picked. Look at the one on Alembic #72-01 , similar with out fine tuners ?
I think this Bass was originally a single pickup model from 1965.
I have had it since 1973. It originally had 2 Guild/ Hagstrom pick ups on it when I bought it .
The experimental HI-A pickups were added after the Alembic modifications.

(Message edited by sonicus on June 09, 2010)
cozmik_cowboy
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Posted on Wednesday, June 09, 2010 - 9:51 am:   Edit Post

Very nice - but I think we may need a better shot of the picture behind the rack......

Peter
sonicus
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Posted on Thursday, June 10, 2010 - 11:09 pm:   Edit Post

Thank you Edwin & Peter!
Peter _ lol_____ That is an old painting that my Wife painted in "Art School", Many years ago______.
jazzyvee
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Posted on Saturday, August 28, 2010 - 8:46 pm:   Edit Post

Here is a clip of it live.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2IDtMy-ca8

Jazzyvee
chuckc
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Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 6:27 pm:   Edit Post

I always thought that Lesh's bass line from David Crosby's solo album was hauntingly beautiful. This had to be "The Godfather" back then, 1971 release date. Of course, Jerry Garcia's pedal steel isn't too shabby either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCcBQgTxGBo
davehouck
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Posted on Sunday, August 29, 2010 - 6:30 pm:   Edit Post

Cool video! Thanks Jazzyvee!
hieronymous
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 4:10 pm:   Edit Post

This picture came up in a slideshow on dead.net/ in celebration of the 40th anniversary of the Europe '72 shows. Unfortunately I can't find a link to the slideshow anymore. You can't see the lower bout but doesn't it look like the Godfather, perhaps in a slightly earlier incarnation?

phil lesh godfather
pasewark
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 4:25 pm:   Edit Post

You can see a bit of the rail and the foil covered hum cancelling pickup. So it is indeed the godfather. Just not sure if its fully quad yet. I'd love to see a build history on this bass!
edwin
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Posted on Wednesday, May 23, 2012 - 7:39 pm:   Edit Post

It's definitely the Godfather and it is definitely Europe, I think the Bickershaw festival. Same venue as the photo below.



Aside from the 2 pictures on the history page, I don't think there's much detail about the construction history. However, I think that the quad pickup went in when the rest of the big overhaul happened. I think that's the quad pickup in the middle, although I could be wrong. If you look at pictures of it, it definitely seems like there are 4 distinct coils in there.

http://www.hollowbodybass.com/wp-content/uploads/original-alembic-starfire.jpg
hieronymous
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Posted on Friday, May 25, 2012 - 5:09 pm:   Edit Post

That picture is awesome - most likely the same bass, most definitely the same sweater!
edwin
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Posted on Friday, June 01, 2012 - 11:49 pm:   Edit Post

OK, I have discovered that the bas fully quad at the time of these pix. I was listening to the Dark Star from 3/23/72 and there are some areas where the strings are coming from different parts of the stereo field.
edwin
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Posted on Tuesday, July 10, 2012 - 1:23 am:   Edit Post

There are some great pictures of this bass under construction in the latest issue of Fretboard Journal that feature Rick Turner looking quite young indeed.
wfmandmusic
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Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 4:34 pm:   Edit Post

OK, I have discovered that the bas fully quad at the time of these pix. I was listening to the Dark Star from 3/23/72 and there are some areas where the strings are coming from different parts of the stereo field.

Edwin, I believe you are correct.
Ken

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