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jcdlc72
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Username: jcdlc72

Post Number: 271
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 6:50 pm:   Edit Post

Something IŽve found useful. IŽve been a couple times in situations pretty much like the one described here, and (unfortunately) have not had the skills (or the bright ideas) on how to solve them as properly as I think this guy did. IŽve learned something useful today reading this, and thus I share it with you my friends.

http://www.reddit.com/r/ProRevenge/comments/1qw6qn/my_revenge_on_promoter_who_thought_paying_me_was/

From now on, IŽll try to always have a "Voice of God" mike readily available.
sonicus
Senior Member
Username: sonicus

Post Number: 3102
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 7:47 pm:   Edit Post

Excellent ! I like it _ I like it alot !!!!!!!!!!
cozmik_cowboy
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Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 1625
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Monday, November 18, 2013 - 9:21 pm:   Edit Post

I once read that Chuck Berry will fly into town, drive his rental car to the venue - and sit in it until he is paid, in full, in cash. Then he comes in & plays.

Peter
5a_quilt_top
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Username: 5a_quilt_top

Post Number: 204
Registered: 6-2012
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post

Heard the same thing several years ago from a friend of mine who backed him on bass for a gig.

He brings a guitar and expects the promoter to provide a Fender Showman Amp, a backing band and payment upfront.

When my friend asked him if there would be a rehearsal, he replied there is no rehearsal - I'm Chuck Berry, it's rock & roll and you should know it by now.
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 643
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 7:46 pm:   Edit Post

I read an interview from a guitar player who backed up these guys and he said that when they would play a song like Johhny B Good which they had all played for years, the artist would tell them they were playing it all wrong. Then again, maybe they were...
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 5601
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 8:52 pm:   Edit Post

Who's going to argue with Chuck Berry about the right way to play Johnny B. Goode!

Bill, tgo
hydrargyrum
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Username: hydrargyrum

Post Number: 1202
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 9:24 pm:   Edit Post

Chuck Berry is on the short list of people who can show up at a venue and expect any musician worth their chops to know his material. If you were to book Chuck Berry and expect him to spend time teaching his songs to a house band I'd expect disappointment.
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 3104
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Tuesday, November 19, 2013 - 9:50 pm:   Edit Post

Well,___ check it out man !

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClgtoM2RwQY
bigredbass
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Username: bigredbass

Post Number: 2081
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 3:03 am:   Edit Post

I'd NEVER let myself in for one of those Chuck Berry gigs. Depending what side of the bed the 'artist' fell off that day, you're NEVER right as far as they're concerned. They start trotting out the 'too' list: Too fast, too loud, too slow . . . . and too dumb to have turned this down to begin with !

I once knew a crew who turned up to back an 'artist' who'd learned his hits six-ways-of-Sunday, to which this clown advised them he HATED the way all of them were produced, and trotted out pig-track charts that were in notation no one had ever seen, 'THIS is the way I wanted 'em', and these guys had seen everything. Right after first telling them of his recent Come-to-Jesus conversion, told in a slurred, drunken monotone. Musta been the Cross on the Jaeger bottle.

What the Hey, there's No Bidness like Show Bidness ! !

In fairness, there are pros out there (usually they're musicians at their core) who are great to work for and with. If you find one, it's a breath of fresh air after the above-mentioned, paying-your-dues experiences.

J o e y
xlrogue6
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Username: xlrogue6

Post Number: 274
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post

To be fair to Chuck, many musicians know the "bar band" versions of his stuff, which tend to differ significantly from the originals. I know it annoys me when I hear those kind of mistakes, I can only imagine what it would feel like if I were Chuck Berry.
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 644
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 10:31 am:   Edit Post

Our public TV station plays shows from back in the day where white bands like the Stones would sweep into a blues band's gig and draw all the attention and play with the blues band (real blues bands from way back) and steal the show because the Stones were the big timers. Rock and Roll Brit acts stole a lot (or borrowed) from those guys and had the gall to make a lot of money and fame doing it! And sometimes they were technically better players too.

I suspect that may rankle some blues cats to this day..
5a_quilt_top
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Username: 5a_quilt_top

Post Number: 206
Registered: 6-2012
Posted on Wednesday, November 20, 2013 - 10:58 am:   Edit Post

Joey -

LMAO - I love your "too" list.

I'm gonna tuck that one away for future use!
oddmetersam
Advanced Member
Username: oddmetersam

Post Number: 330
Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 12:36 pm:   Edit Post

Once during the Pleistocene Era I played a warehouse gig where a big fight broke out in and around the box office. The cops had to come and break things up like something out of the Untouchables, complete with whistles and billy clubs!

When the gig was over and we were to be paid a percentage of the door, the bloodied and battered promoter claimed that during the melee all the money from the till had been stolen. Being a rookie in such matters, I was willing to chalk it up to the hard life of a musician but our rough-and-tumble guitar player would have none of that. He told the guy in no uncertain terms that if he didn't cough up serious cash in the next 5 minutes he'd have the other eye blackened but only as a prelude to a real ass whipping...

Next thing I know I'm driving home $200 richer but even more wealthy knowledge-wise.
pace
Senior Member
Username: pace

Post Number: 967
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Thursday, November 21, 2013 - 7:02 pm:   Edit Post

What's funny is that for the past several years I've taken a passive approach to the whole thing, and its somewhat entertaining to load up and cut out w/ my rig or PA asap, only to have the band leader or promoter chase me down w/ a wad of cash for a week or so..... Best one yet was a sound gig I did a month ago for a theater group and the producer mailed cash to me c/o my boss.... He opened the envelope, read the card and didn't know what to make of it!...
terryc
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Username: terryc

Post Number: 2148
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Monday, November 25, 2013 - 8:10 am:   Edit Post

Unfortunatley this goes on a lot in general buisness, my brother in law has his own photocopy/printer/pc supplies & maintenance company. He is always reminding his regular customers to pay up for work and service done months after the completion date...and guess who are the worst culprits....solicitors(lawyer firms)
Building firms come next on list and then a few others.
The problem is that the longer they hang onto the money you cannot keep your books balanced for the accountant and tax man(re VAT in the UK)
It can makes things very sour on a buisness realationship

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