| Author | Message | ||
| flaxattack
Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 |
i am thinking about having a custom rogue made. am having a tough time deciding on whether to go for the gusto and get ebony laminates as oposed to purple heart which i have already decided to move up to. so any feedback on neck construction differences is appreciated currently i own an orion 5 with the maple/walnut thanks people | ||
| flaxattack
Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 72 Registered: 4-2004 |
ps my neck is going to be custom sized 32" scale and poosibly 1.875 nut- 2.375 24th fret | ||
| bassman10096
Senior Member Username: bassman10096 Post Number: 468 Registered: 7-2003 |
If you want the brass backplate (extra on Rogue) and MOP ovals (also extra on Rogue) and either purpleheart or ebony lams (extra on Rogue), you might do better to build off a Europa model. I believe that with Europa, you get the brass backplate, MOP ovals and purpleheart lams - and - a Rogue body for no extra charge. This brings you a couple hundred in savings over a Rogue with all those things added. Ebony lams are also $200 less when you add them to a Europa. I did a quick look and it appeared you would come out ahead with a Europa as your base model there too. Of course monthly specials can impact your best deal at a particular time. But once you decide - check with Val or Mica. The numbers in the custom quote generator sometimes vary a little from the actual (in my case, I made out better than the software said). Others with firsthand experience with ebony lams could tell you much more. But having owned a maple neck (w/pinstripes) and having played necks with purpleheart lams, the added density of the purpleheart is noticable in the sound and sustain. All that said, are you talking about a 5 string (I assume so from the neck dimensions). If that's right, I'm considering a very similar bass for my next acquisition (If I ever actually do see the bass I'm waiting for!!!! Sorry...). When you're ready to finalize your neck design, Mica has a neat piece of software that will tell you string spacing based on neck widths at various fret numbers. I love the medium scale and want my next bass (it'll be a fiver) to have ebony lams for that "bowling ball-in-the-chest" fundamental. What sort of top wood are you thinking of? Do tell. I'd really like to hear another one of us think through a new bass! Bill | ||
| flaxattack
Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2004 |
yes we are talking about a 5 string. there is only a difference of $200 between the rogue and europa for my design requirements. may go with a vermillion BODY wood and the laminates will depend on whats on sale. Speaking with Val, his recommendation is to invest in the neck as thats where the majority of the sound is coming from. Rami suggested that i consider a combo neck- 4 ebony lams and one purpleheart. body wood is up for grabs. i may want to go too high $$$$ and go for cocobolo. so if there is not a sale i will pick a std wood and ask for a nice nice piece and no back wood. i am also going to upgrade the elec and try to figure a thumb rest out | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 356 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hey Jeff, As I understand, the Ebony laminates so completely dominate the sound that it wouldn't really make a big difference as to what other type of wood you combine it with. When designing the "Dark Prince" and the current "Black Byrd", I wanted ultimate sustain and fundamental. I even considered a complete Ebony neck, but decided that since Purpleheart is also a wood used to strengthen necks, it would go compliment the Ebony neck laminates well - plus I just love the effect of how the neck just blends into the Purpleheart core of the body. Also keep in mind that these are 36" scale 6 strings, so the added strength of the Ebony and Purpleheart keep the neck as solid and stable as possible. And the Basses sound great too! Good luck realizing your dreams as well, Rami (Message edited by rami on June 24, 2004) | ||
| zappahead
Member Username: zappahead Post Number: 79 Registered: 10-2002 |
Not to get off on a different subject, but the purple heart/ebony also just plan looks fantastic. Its one of the sleekest and most beautiful things Ive ever seen done to an instrument. Has anyone though about get a madagascar ebony neck or neck laminates? Im was wondering if that was feasible. Then again the black ebony really works so well with the purple heart. | ||
| somatic
New Username: somatic Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2003 |
Wow. I've been thinking about a very similar bass, even to the suggestions that bassman10096 and Rami have made; Europa (Rogue shape) 32" 5 string, ebony neck lams (maybe with purpleheart like Rami's), mahogany body, ebony top (I already have the wood), cone headstock, and routed for S2 electronics for when I have the $ to upgrade. Looking forward to what the discussion brings out. Cheers | ||
| smokin_dave
Intermediate Member Username: smokin_dave Post Number: 133 Registered: 10-2002 |
If I ever dig up enough cash(knocking HARD on wood)I want a custom Rogue built with purpleheart neck and ebony lams.Not only does it look good,it should sustain a note from now until doomsday.That with a purpleheart body.Mmmmmmmm. | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 358 Registered: 6-2002 |
Check this out  | ||
| kayo
Junior Username: kayo Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rami That's beyond words...... does the front match? | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 359 Registered: 6-2002 |
Here's the front  | ||
| kayo
Junior Username: kayo Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2002 |
Rami WOW That is the first piece of wood that I have liked as much as the one I hand picked for my own Rogue. | ||
| lowlife
Member Username: lowlife Post Number: 78 Registered: 12-2003 |
Rami, Kayo is right, it's beyond words! If you're ever looking for a baby-sitter for this beauty, I'd be delighted to oblige. (LOL) Ellery(Lowlife) | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 360 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks guys! Actually, it's being baby sat right now at the factory (minor cosmetic retouching). If you're in the neighborhood, feel free to check it out in person. Rami | ||
| kenbass4
Intermediate Member Username: kenbass4 Post Number: 106 Registered: 10-2003 |
All, Rami is absolutely correct. I got to play it in January, and even the feature custom pictures don't do it justice. I was spoiled that day...I got to play the Dragon's Wing, Dark Prince AND Erin-Oromion (my custom Rogue) all in the same day!! Ken (TEO) | ||
| flaxattack
Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 87 Registered: 4-2004 |
well how did they sound?????? am interested particularly in the 4 ebony one purple heart neck thANK YOU is this the purple heart body too? | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 361 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi Jeff, This is my only experience with this wood combination - I never mentioned a 4 Ebony and one Purpleheart combination. I assume that would sound great too. This particular Bass is all about sustain and clarity - in as much due to its 36" scale as its wood combinations. Mica would be better qualified to explain the physics behind the various wood combinations and scale length. As far as I'm concerned, it's just the best sounding Bass I ever played - super clear tight sound with sustain that lasts forever. It works for me - although others may have their own preferences. Rami |
