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stout71
Intermediate Member
Username: stout71

Post Number: 154
Registered: 7-2011
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 6:40 am:   Edit Post

Hey guys. I'm transitioning from playing with a head and cabinet live to connecting direct into the PA via a SansAmp RPM preamp and an Avalon U5 direct box. I generally use in-ears, but will occasionally run into a situation (like a fill-in gig) where the band doesn't have the capability to let me use them. I was considering a wedge for the floor, but thought that the small compact size might not produce enough low-end for it to be valuable.

Does anyone else here use a direct setup for live situations? What would you do in the scenario I outlined? Thanks.
811952
Senior Member
Username: 811952

Post Number: 2324
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 7:34 am:   Edit Post

I've done it in a bunch of different situations, usually with my amp behind me but turned completely down (it's there just in case...) and enjoying the wrap-around from the mains. My brother did the wedge thing for years and I've done it with reasonable results. Sometimes it's all there and groovy and other times I've just had to tell myself that even though it sucks on stage it must surely sound good out front. I think it's a matter of just jumping-in and discovering what you're comfortable with, having confidence in your ears and trusting the FOH person knows what they are doing.

One thing to take into consideration is that if the bands you're subbing with are used to hearing a bass amp on stage, they are probably going to want to hear a bass amp on stage as they likely don't have the monitoring capability or experience to accommodate bass guitar in a way that doesn't suck.

Edited to add context that I'm a weekend player for the most part, and considerably low-rent, but I do want my bass to sound great and the gigs to keep coming.

John

(Message edited by 811952 on July 03, 2013)
5a_quilt_top
Intermediate Member
Username: 5a_quilt_top

Post Number: 145
Registered: 6-2012
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 9:40 am:   Edit Post

I use a QSC K-12 1,000 watt (2,000 peak) powered monitor w/horn and 12" driver. Weighs about 40 lbs.

Here's the full rig:



SKB pedalboard from left to right: Sansamp Bass Driver Deluxe, Boss Chorus, Boss Tuner, Ernie Ball Volume Pedal and Dunlop Bass Wah. All cables are George L.

And Music Man Sting Ray Classic 5 (soon to be replaced by EUROPA 5).

The XLR output from the Bass Driver feeds the PA mixer and the 1/4" output feeds the input on the QSC monitor.

OR

If no PA is available to me, I can use the same pedalboard feeding the effects "return" (power amp input) on a conventional bass amp such as an SWR 750SX with a conventional bass speaker cap.
stout71
Intermediate Member
Username: stout71

Post Number: 155
Registered: 7-2011
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 11:41 am:   Edit Post

This is what I was after, fellas. I like that setup. Mine will largely be rack-mounted, but the signal path will be the same. I like the idea of a powered wedge as well, but the QSC is pretty pricey.
tbrannon
Senior Member
Username: tbrannon

Post Number: 1571
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 12:33 pm:   Edit Post

Jerry,

How is the setup on Shamrock coming along?

Sorry for the hijack.... :-)
stout71
Intermediate Member
Username: stout71

Post Number: 156
Registered: 7-2011
Posted on Wednesday, July 03, 2013 - 12:45 pm:   Edit Post

Comments are pending on that issue. I'm going to wait it out for another couple of months and see how the bass adjusts to the climate.
tmimichael
Junior
Username: tmimichael

Post Number: 49
Registered: 3-2010
Posted on Sunday, October 20, 2013 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post

Jerry, I think if you have a GOOD wedge available, it'll work well, but if you don't have access to like a JBL SRX/STX or similar, then a small amp would be best.
benson_murrensun
Senior Member
Username: benson_murrensun

Post Number: 625
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Monday, October 21, 2013 - 8:31 pm:   Edit Post

I like my SWR Bass Monitor 12's! Wedge shape, great sound.
5a_quilt_top
Intermediate Member
Username: 5a_quilt_top

Post Number: 192
Registered: 6-2012
Posted on Tuesday, October 22, 2013 - 8:07 am:   Edit Post

+1 on the GOOD wedge comment, Michael.

My QSC has enough power to deliver clean headroom and this keeps everything nice and clear - no "fuzziness". The 12" driver sounds full and the horn handles the high end nicely without sounding harsh (probably directly related to clean headroom).

Here's the bonus: I'm also using it with an LR Baggs DI for acoustic guitar gigs and my amplified acoustics have never sounded better.
worldfamousandy
Intermediate Member
Username: worldfamousandy

Post Number: 134
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, December 07, 2013 - 10:36 pm:   Edit Post

JBL SRX712M, with a QSC PLX2402, bridged. Tons of headroom, punchy sound. Those cabs handle tons of power, so you'll never have to worry about distortion or speaker damage.
crgaston
Senior Member
Username: crgaston

Post Number: 629
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Wednesday, June 04, 2014 - 6:28 am:   Edit Post

I've run a series bass straight from the ds5 to a K12. It has an XLR out, so there's my DI, and it can take a monitor feed into it's second channel, so there's the monitors as well.

I bet that JBL rig sounds fantastic. Always wanted to try one of those in that configuration, since I've always loved them when I've been somewhere that has them for monitors.

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