Post Number: 52
|Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 9:06 am: |
Everyone knows Mark King and his basses...but did he ever tried the new balanced k model ? Another question is : how does alembic utilize the right to use his name for new model of basses ( for example , new bal k model ) ? Does Mark King knows there his a new model on his name ? ...well , i'm no business man at all so i wished someone could explain me how all those deals work ? thank's alembifriends
ALAIN - TBO ( the belgian one...hi paul ! )
Post Number: 462
|Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:07 am: |
mark king refers more to the electronics and the neck dims etc
you could pick out and change the body design and customize it
like i did
mark king signature deluxe- bal k body, neck dims,etc
Post Number: 26
|Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 10:25 am: |
As Flaxattack pointed out, a model name simply refers to a few standard items that are unique to that model. One reason we love Alembic is because you can customize any model! An Essence with an Exploiter body for example... Electronics, body shape, whatever you want.
Also the "K" in balance K body does not refer to Mark King, rather the "K" is for a club member who wanted a different shape body that was lighter and better balanced than the classic standard shape.
Post Number: 53
|Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 1:15 pm: |
Hi Jeff and Southpaw ,
Well , thanks to you , i understand a bit better...i thought that may be , mark king has been advised that a new model on his name was on production and he'd tried it ...after all , stanley , i think , plays his own model ( body shape only...) and seems to be partly involved in basses models having his name ...
Thank's again alembifriends
ALAIN TBO ( the belgian one )
Post Number: 3
|Posted on Monday, April 11, 2005 - 11:52 pm: |
My take is that a signature model is only valid if either the artist is endorsing the model, or the guitar is one that is, or has, been used by the artist. I don't subscribe to the notion that a signature is down to pick ups and electronics as the construction, and mass, of the instrument would have a large bearing on the sound. After all, a signature model, which is not endorsed directly, should be able to replicate the look and sound of the instrument actually played by the artist.
Well, that's my take anyway.
Post Number: 1594
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 6:07 am: |
I think Alain and Alan have made a good point. For someone who has never visited this forum, and doesn't have the information that we've been able to accumulate, if they saw an ad in the local paper for a used Mark King, it does not seem unreasonable that they would expect that the bass being advertised has some connection to Mark King the bassplayer. Alembic does put the letter 'C' in the serial number of some basses that have been customized, so that for instance instead of a Mark King 4 string, the bass becomes a Custom 4 string. However, I do have a bass with a point body and Europa electronics that the serial number says is an Orion. At what point that happens, I don't know. It is interesting that according to the quote generator, you can order a Stanley Clarke with a regular Standard Point body and Europa electronics. Perhaps the answer is that if you own a Mark King with a K body, you tell people that you own a Mark King model with a custom Balance K body.
Post Number: 54
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 8:10 am: |
Hi Dave ,
Thanks for the explanation . ...do you think it's possible that mark king knows about this new body ( bal k ) ? For example , is it possible that alembic called mark and told him : we have a new body shape with your name on it , is it ok for u ? ...and may be send him one model ?
Post Number: 464
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:42 am: |
balance k shape has nothing to do with mark king
Post Number: 855
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 12:09 pm: |
And Alembic doesn't send basses to anyone, Alain. I don't know what the actual deal is between Alembic and the players for whom they have signature models, but it doesn't involve sending them free instruments. My understanding from chats with Alembic is that the 30th Anniversary bass they made for Stanley was the only give-away they have done, and that was a thank you for many years of dedication.
Post Number: 170
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 12:39 pm: |
To expand on what Bob said, the Signature models have the body style of the SERIES Basses that Stanley Clarke and Mark King use (Short Scale for the Clarke, Long Scale for the King), but to put the basses in the hands of more players, they use the Signature electronics, which cost considerably less than the Series. Mark King and Stanley both paid for every Alembic that they played, with the exception of Stanley's 30th anniversary model.
Post Number: 245
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 5:38 pm: |
For those in the north joisey area, GCParamus has a used mk balance K w led's and stinger for about $5400.
Post Number: 121
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 8:57 pm: |
Very interesting topic. Well we're all members of this club and it's probably safe to say we're all very PRO Alembic. It's the only brand I play now. But I have to agree that when "I" buy an instrument that's endorsed ... or even named after an artist I expect that they had a lot to do with it's design and they actually USE or at least USED it sometimes. I of course also realize that companies use endorsements from famous people to help sell items so you need to take things with a small grain of salt. Heck Steve Morse of the Dixi Dregs indorsed a Music Man guitar several years ago and when i saw them he pulled it out for ONE tune. Granted it was only one tune but at least he actually played it.
I'd LOVE to hear Alembics official stand on this subject.
So what do you think Alembic? These rooms are monitored and we're all friends and loyal Alembic players here. What is your criteria for calling a bass or guitar a "Signature" instrument? I have a Stanley Clark standard and LOVE it. However I doubt Stanley ever used Signature electronics ... or Essence electronics during a recording session or tour. How does this work?
Post Number: 204
|Posted on Tuesday, April 12, 2005 - 10:23 pm: |
Speaking of Mark King! Looks like an Alembic to me.
Post Number: 56
|Posted on Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 2:00 am: |
Hi Rory ,
Yes indeed , i think it 's an alembic ! I've seen this a lot of time and you can have a full-video tape called " fait accompli " describing the life on tour , rehearsals...Btw , i already found once on the web , a small site that was teaching how mark king plays this fast trick ! It was relatively simple ( not for me ) but required a lot of precision ! Too bad i lost the link to that website , i'll try to find it back ...if you have it or any video teaching how to play that , don't hesitate , post it ! thank's
Post Number: 114
|Posted on Tuesday, April 19, 2005 - 1:46 pm: |
C'mon guys, why would you speculate while Ken already delivered the correct answer. Both Mark King and Stanley Clarke use "Series" models of the body shapes and neck scales they used to get associated with.
The "Signature" models have been created to make the respective style of bass more affordable for the audiences. Less expensive electronics are the main feature of the signature models compared to their Series' counterparts while maintaining the general feel of the original "Series" instrument.
Therefore if you are referring to a "Signature Mark King" bass you are not referring to the actual Series II model Mark King is using but to the type of long scale model with the specific and more affordable signature electronics.
"Signature" in this case became the name of a new model line, in the same way as "Series I" and "Series II" are just model names and not meant to indicate these instruments would by any means be produced in large quantities on an assembly line.
Accordingly the "Signature" instruments are not supposed to be exact copies of the instruments of their name holders but rather the more affordable version of their more expensive counterparts, losely yet not arbitrarily connected to the basses and names of Mark King and Stanley Clarke who in turn gave their autographs for these models.
Of course you can always start with a Signature instrument and have it customized as you go, that is why you are dealing with Alembic. Unless you change the electronics you would always refer to that instrument as a "Signature" model, although as Dave mentioned at some point you may just call it a "Custom" instrument with "Signature" electronics.
Besides, if you like to watch Mark King play his "Series" bass check out the DVD section at www.level42.com or this real player clip: http://www.level42.com/media/video/mk_dsl_320x240.ram. Enjoy!
(Message edited by haddimudd on April 19, 2005)
Post Number: 44
|Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 12:32 am: |
Reckon I'm going to come back in on this one again. Happy that the Signature part refers to the electronics, making the basses more affordable. Happy that if you purchased a signature with a Series II body shape that it can be referred to as a Mark King Signature, as this is the type and shape of body/neck he used; likewise for the small scale/bodied Stanley Clark Signature. Can't see why the Balance K model is referred to as a Mark King Signature. Why not just call it a Signature model and be done with it?
Post Number: 65
|Posted on Thursday, April 28, 2005 - 8:18 am: |
Hi Friends ,
...For those who are looking for a cool link where you'll find how Mark king does his fast tricks :www.gazzbass.com ...you'll also find little demo's of alain caron who plays 6 strings !!!!! and slap'em all !!!!!! ...and of course a lot of stuff , almost everything dedicated to mark king bass lines...nice website
Have a good time ...
Post Number: 33
|Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 9:12 am: |
RE: the Stanley give away...the other reason was...a minor post-nuptual technicality...the poor man had to play *something*....
Post Number: 57
|Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 12:00 pm: |
I've always considered Signature models more of a collectors item or show piece.....none seem to be an exact duplicate of the actual instrument the artist plays.
Post Number: 19
|Posted on Friday, May 13, 2005 - 2:40 pm: |
Agreed- are we collectors or players? I see this same problem in cars and motorcycles. The issue I see is MONEY! Do we want to inflate the value of our exceptional Basses to the point where we dare not play them for fear of losing our investment? If you want to be a "COLLECTOR"- fine. BUT- the issue of "Signature Models" should be setteled by Alembic. Period, end of conversation. Michael