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rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 17
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 6:20 am:   Edit Post

Hi.
I'm enjoying my newly acquired custom Essence with Europa electronics, but find the 8 db q-switch a bit too much of a good thing.
So I found an original 3-way switch on eBay.
Is it hard to swap out? Can I easily do it myself?

Thanks
jazzyvee
Senior Member
Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 3949
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 6:41 am:   Edit Post

I have converted my signature bass from 2 to 3 position Q switches and it's a great mod to do. I will see if I can find the information about how to fit the switch. FYI I did find that the off position was brighter than it was previously but I actually like the change. I've got some more in the post from mica so I should have some instructions that I can pass to you if no one else advises you before.
Jazzyvee
hieronymous
Senior Member
Username: hieronymous

Post Number: 1356
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 8:29 am:   Edit Post

I can't help with the fixing part, but I agree with Jazzyvee - it's definitely the way to go!
flpete1uw
Advanced Member
Username: flpete1uw

Post Number: 289
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 1:08 pm:   Edit Post

That's a good question. I feel the same way about the 2 way switch on my Distillate, a softer Q would be more useful.
So if you have a 2 way already installed would a 3 way just be wire for wire?
Pete
adriaan
Moderator
Username: adriaan

Post Number: 3104
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 12, 2014 - 1:39 pm:   Edit Post

Kaspar, my thoughts exactly when I first got my Spoiler. It now has a 0/3/6 dB 3-way - 3 dB is a nice bit of that good thing, 6 dB is an extra shot of the same good thing - and definitely short of the harshness of 8 dB.

Sorry I can't help you with specifics about the change in the electronics, since I sent the parts to the Mothership to be worked over (they changed the pickup switch to a pan pot too).

(Message edited by adriaan on April 12, 2014)
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 18
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 - 8:17 am:   Edit Post

So, I just received the three-way q-switch in the mail.
I don't dare to try changing it out without a little guidance.
Mica? Help!

Thanks
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8164
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Tuesday, April 15, 2014 - 4:17 pm:   Edit Post

What switch do you have? I need the number on the side starting with a 7.
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 19
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2014 - 7:01 am:   Edit Post

Hi Mica
Thanks for looking in on it. The number is 7211

Cheers

Kaspar
flpete1uw
Advanced Member
Username: flpete1uw

Post Number: 295
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Sunday, April 20, 2014 - 8:28 am:   Edit Post

Hi Mica,
I have a Q switch with the same part # 7211 that if possible would love to install to my 85 Distillate. As of right now I never use the Q for what I do, but with a 3 way I can see incorporating it!
Thank you so much for making time for all of us in making this feel like a Home for our Musical Journeys.
Peace,
Pete
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 20
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2014 - 4:45 am:   Edit Post

Hi Mica,

Did you see my last post?
Do you have any news?

Thank you.

Kaspar
jazzyvee
Senior Member
Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 3984
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, April 28, 2014 - 8:50 am:   Edit Post

If I want a quick response from Alembic about anything to do with their stuff I always phone. Someone will always pick up the phone.

Jazzyvee
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8167
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 3:30 pm:   Edit Post

I have been mostly out of the office since the 11th. I should be in the office regularly now.

Here's what you need to hook up:

Activator Q switch 3-position

You should be able to tell where you have to remove a yellow box capacitor from the filter board to attach the switch assembly.
flpete1uw
Advanced Member
Username: flpete1uw

Post Number: 297
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 4:44 pm:   Edit Post

Mica,
Would this same 3way switch replace a original 2way on a 85 Distillate?
~Pete
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8168
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 7:38 pm:   Edit Post

No, this is only for Activator based electronics (Essence, Signature, anything with the AE-1 filter board). I'm not sure I have a handy mod for that application.
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 21
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 1:31 am:   Edit Post

Thank you so much!
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 22
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 2:13 am:   Edit Post

Oh wait, it doesn't look like that! I have the Europa electronics (AE-2?). Is it simply a matter of switching the wires out from the old q-switch in the brown box labeled 3023?
image/jp2Essence cavity
Essence cavity kopi.jp2 (130.3 k)
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 23
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 3:08 am:   Edit Post

Ok, seems like it was a useless file, I uploaded i my previous post. Hope this is betterEsssence/Europa
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8170
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 6:53 pm:   Edit Post

OK, a 7211 is the correct part number. I've confirmed we've never documented a 3-position Q switch on a Distillate or Europa, but after talking to dad he said he's happy to do it. Will not be able to book time for it for 3-4 weeks though - his plate is pretty full and even nudging in something small wouldn't be fair to those who have been waiting patiently for his current projects.

I will keep you posted and you're welcome to tickle this thread in a month if you haven't heard back from me.
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 8171
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 7:03 pm:   Edit Post

BTW, that is a super custom Essence with an Ash body. Cool!
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 2197
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2014 - 1:25 am:   Edit Post

So could this be done on my MK Signature bass?? Looking at it I guess it could, I reckon I could source the parts from Maplin in the UK or some other reputable components supplier.
2 capacitors, 2 resistors and a switch.. looks pretty doable.
Is the polarity on the capacitors important(+ at board end, - at switch or vice versa)?
jazzyvee
Senior Member
Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 3989
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, May 02, 2014 - 2:40 am:   Edit Post

Terry my advice about upgrading your signature is... go for it. Even with the filter off it seems to have added a little crispness to the sound of the bass without losing he ability to warm up the sound as previously. I have some now for my Black Europa with signature electronics however I think I may initially change the bridge pickup switch as on that bass at the moment I rarely use Q on the neck pickup.
Jazzyvee
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 2201
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 5:06 am:   Edit Post

Mica..which is the spec for the 3 way switch
DPDT On-Off On
OR
DPDT On-On-On

Already have got the caps and resistors.
keith_h
Senior Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 1999
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 6:01 am:   Edit Post

Terry,
According to the C&K spec sheet the 7211 is DP On-On-On.

Keith
jazzyvee
Senior Member
Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 4001
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 6:57 am:   Edit Post

Iv'e just changed both my 2 way to 3 way switches. I have two gigs this weekend so a great time to try them out. Probably won't need them during any of the gigs but soundcheck is a good time to have a listen at stage volume.

Jazzyvee
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 2202
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, May 07, 2014 - 8:06 am:   Edit Post

Thanks Keith for that
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 2203
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, May 08, 2014 - 6:33 am:   Edit Post

what type of capacitors are they(polyester, electrolytic, etc) I have some but would like to know the exact spec?
They look like electrolytic
rapsak_v
Junior
Username: rapsak_v

Post Number: 24
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Thursday, June 12, 2014 - 9:10 am:   Edit Post

Hi Mica

Has your dad had time to look at it?

Thanks

Kaspar

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