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rustyg61
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Post Number: 1587
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 7:36 pm:   Edit Post

How many of you have had the life changing pleasure of playing your Alembic through an Alembic preamp?

I bought a F-2B today & OH MY GOD!!! THIS is what an Alembic is supposed to sound like!!! I knew my Alembics sounded great with my Eden & Fender Rumble, but I was ignorant in my understanding of what great really is! I feel like a blind man who just got his sight! My 410 Eden box sounds like the "Wall Of Sound!" Not only does the F-2B make my basses sound beyond amazing, everything on them is enhanced! The filters & CVQ's are like they are on steroids now, SO MUCH more responsive!! The 9 tone shaping controls on my Eden WT 800 do not even come close to what the 3 knobs on the F-2B do!! My SF-2 is breathing easier now too as it is doing MUCH less work to shape my sound. I still use it, but instead of having the filter gain on 6 or 7, I have them on 2! I ordered an Accugroove "Wedgie" that I'm getting tomorrow, so my sound is going to get even better!

So, for all you people who, like myself, had never played through an Alembic preamp, do not delay, call your favorite Alembic dealer right now & have them rush you one over immediately! You will thank me for it, trust me!!!!

Mica, y'all should raise the price of all your instruments & include a preamp with every purchase! Without it, you are only getting half the potential of these incredible instruments!

Anyone wanna buy an Eden rig???!! LOL!
elwoodblue
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 7:43 pm:   Edit Post

Living and learning can REALLY be fun !!
nice post ; )

elwood
earsplit
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 8:28 pm:   Edit Post

Glad it found a good home. If you're ever in Austin I'd love to hear it :-)
rustyg61
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 8:57 pm:   Edit Post

Bill, I'm surprised you didn't hear it in Austin form Pasadena! This thing is loud & clear!
bigredbass
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 9:53 pm:   Edit Post

Run your axe and the F2B/SuperFilter stack thru a power amp, then call us back.

You've just run headfirst into the difference between instrument amps and professional gear. Remember, even good bass or guitar amps are generally built with 5-10% distortion, as our ears process this as 'warmth', and for most people, it is. Free yourself from these kinds of amps, and step off into pro gear (you're 2/3 of the way there) and you're dealing with distortion and all the other specs typical in that realm: Even the most el-cheapo, bingo-calling power amp is looking at distortion below 1%. Now for some people, this is 'sterile', but for others, you suddenly feel like the earmuffs have been taken off.

Couple what you have now with a 500 or 1000 watt a side QSC, a Crown, hell, even a CS800, where those low notes don't even raise an eyebrow on the amp, in other words, the classic 'great big amp only turned up to 2', and believe me, your Eden will become a nice paperweight. That really is the only way to truly do the Series (or any Alembic) justice, the way Ron intended so long ago. He's still right.

Once you have this rig assembled, you can also do what Jimmy does, another thing Ron envisioned: You can do an utterly minimalist rig: Straight out of the power supply into the power amp, where you REALLY, really are hearing it 'straight off the wellhead' to use a Pasadena-esque bit of vernacular (whereby I'm proving you can take the boy out of the oilfield trash, but you can't take the oilfield trash out of the boy. You non-Texans, you'll just have to wonder about this . . . ) And then with a power amp and a second Eden 410, you can run stereo, etc. All in hi-fi.

Consider yourself warned.

Joey
gtrguy
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Posted on Wednesday, March 25, 2015 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post

I use mine in the signal chain for recording bass and other things quite a bit. It adds a nice tube fullness.
jazzyvee
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post

Welcome to the club Rusty, what took you so long.... :-)
I was influenced by this club to look down this path and I've been using an F1-x, SF-2 and QSC power amp for a good few years now and I'm in agreement with Joey, there is a huge difference between that and a bass head. Most of the controls on bass heads just confuse me. F1-x is real simple to use. When I use that rig I'm running two F1-x's when using a series bass and using the power amp to put a combined mono signal to usually one cab.

Report back when you gig your new setup.
jon_jackson
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 5:01 am:   Edit Post

Once you go "F", it's hard to go back.
Jon
moongerm
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 5:23 am:   Edit Post

Great to hear you dig the F2B!
daghdha
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 6:24 am:   Edit Post

I have an older blue and black F2B with red cap knobs and completely agree! I didn't know what I was missing until playing thru this lovely preamp.
5a_quilt_top
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 8:29 am:   Edit Post

Tried one at the Mothership with one of the 5-strings hanging on the lobby wall. The preamp was part of a larger rig.

Yup - amazing.

In fact, the whole rig sounded amazing.

One day I will lay my hands on one. And then I will sell all my other bass gear...

Glad to hear you are knocked out.
flpete1uw
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Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 9:03 am:   Edit Post

This is a topic that I have been thinking about for awhile now.
I realize this is a biased post. (Rightfully so, everything Alembic is top notch) right now I have a Distillate or a Series 1 going into an SF-2 to a Mesa Walkabout Scout 12. The Mesa has a tube pre and as far as I can tell is pretty awesome.
The down side I'm not getting any younger and even though the amp is 50 lbs, on days I wish it 30 ;) .
I really like what I hear, so the question is what would I gain from let's say an Alembic pre to a micro amp to a light cab From what I have now?
Realizing very subjective. Not trying to hijack just curious. Moderators I could start a new post if it is.
Thank you,
Pete
mtjam
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 9:37 am:   Edit Post

I also very much enjoy playing through an Alembic preamp! Very easy to use, and my F1-X produces an awesome tone every time I plug into it (mostly with Alembic basses).

Pete, I don't think your post is a hijack at all since it relates to Alembic preamps and how we use them.

What you could gain by going from an Alembic pre to a micro amp to a light cab is an easier schlep for your back! I don't own a power amp (although I've thought hard about picking up one of those featherweight ones!), so I connect my F1-X into the effects return jack of my Aguilar Tone Hammer 500 amp head, which bypasses the Aguilar's preamp. My speaker of choice is the Aguilar SL112. 4 lb. head, 25 lb. cabinet. One cabinet is enough for small gigs, although I like the sound of two better. This setup works wonderfully! I don't feel like I'm lacking in the sound department by using this rig. I've done the Ampeg SVT into refrigerator cabinet thing and, although that made a joyous noise, my back doesn't miss it!

I would say go for that lightweight rig. I don't think you would be disappointed. I"m sure others will chime in.
charles_holmes
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 3:31 pm:   Edit Post

Yay! Rusty!! You Have finally tapped into.... "THE FORCE!!!!!" Now... FEEL THE FORCE!!!>>>LET IT FLOW THROUGH YOU!!!!
P.S. I ordered the 60' Cable and Neutrik for 54.00!!!!! Wish me luck!
Chalie
hankster
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 7:32 pm:   Edit Post

You guys are killing me. I...will...resist...will...not...go...to Club Bass...to buy preamp...
slawie
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 8:17 pm:   Edit Post

Show of Hands, here you go!



No really here it is;

slawie
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 8:33 pm:   Edit Post

Or this;



slawie
bigredbass
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post

As luck would have it . . . . so I'm in the 'gee, what about one of those?' new amp modes. Since I'm not gigging any more, the preamp/power amp thing would be a little much for the spare bedroom. So slawie, give me the lowdown on the RH750 and the TC cabs.

Joey
elwoodblue
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 10:35 pm:   Edit Post

The F1-x pre/power amp thing, driving a 2225 JBL
in a way stiff PA cab (and 10's or a 12 for the highs) is what got my goat.
I don't have a series bass so I'm using the F1x crossover to split the signal.
Someday I'll have a Stereo Alembic again and I'll never leave the spare bedroom ;)

ExploiterRig.JPG

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slawie
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Posted on Thursday, March 26, 2015 - 11:19 pm:   Edit Post

The RH750 is a great amp but it takes some effort to learn how to get the best sounds out of it.
Once you do though, you can save the complete amp settings to three individual memory locations(sans Master volume), recallable via a footswitch 4 button 3 memory plus mute with a tuner display.

Great for live performing where you need your amp to assist in "snap to it tone" shaping.

Centre frequency variable
Bass: 70-1120 Hz mid detent @280
Lo-mid: 100-1600 Hz mid detent @400
Hi-mid: 200 - 3150 Hz mid detent @800
Treble: 400 - 6300 Hz mid detent @1600
If you are plying at a venue that is boomy or rattles at certain frequencies you can easily dial those frequencies out.

Spectracomp works really well and flattens out any variations in string response. Its a multiband compressor. I have it just ever so slightly enabled.

Tubetone is and tube emulator circuit befitting vintage fenders J and P basses you can crank it for that unique "articulated frrt sound"

Tweetertone I don't use it. I believe its used so that you don't need to reach behind the speaker cab to tweak the pot.

Preset level is when your memory settings vary and you wish to keep the same levels. very handy.

Out the back there is Transformer balanced output pre and post switchable, digital out, effects send/receive, headphone jack (kills the speaker out), device input through L/R RCA jacks connect your ipad or turntable output and you can play along with anything. This is the best for those sleepless late nights where inspiration hits for some practice.

I think that it's a bit of a tweakers amp someone who wishes to electronically manipulate their sound signal and throw traditional amplification methods and caution to the wind.

ICE power output stage. with low wattage 236 actual watts. The output stage is manipulated so that there is greater efficiency in the heard signal that filters out those frequencies that cause only heat and effort to amplify with no audio advantage.

Really great device for recording.

The cabs fit well with the amp it's almost as if they were made for each other - go figure.
Seriously though they are perfectly suited as a rig. There must have been a serious amount of R&D gone into them.

The shape is a bit funky really do not want to stack more than 2 high on stage because of the curved corners creating smaller footprint that its width feels a little unstable at 3 high.
With the RH750 you can have 3 cabs by TC connected at the one time. Best to have them on their sides.

I have 2 x 210's and 2 x 212's and use them in various configurations depending upon the stage and venue.
The paint is a bit rough on the knuckles(older ones that is)newer cabs are shiny and knuckle friendly.

It's a really versatile amp that can generate great and also unusual tones.
I apologise in advance that; I've had my fretless sounding like a trombone using no outside effects.

slawie
rustyg61
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Post Number: 1592
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, March 27, 2015 - 4:53 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for all the replies, advice, & pictures! I love pictures! :-)

Joey, you are absolutely right about the power amp, my Eden has the option to tie into the power amp either pre or post EQ, & I initially hooked up the F-2B post EQ not wanting to have the Eden EQ color the sound, but I decided to experiment & hooked it up pre EQ, but set the EQ flat on the Eden. There was a huge difference in the sound! going through the Eden EQ it sucked the life out of the sound! It was like putting a pillow in front of the speaker! So I am absolutely going to sell the Eden & get a regular power amp. I won't be getting another 410 box though. I just got an Accugroove "Wedgie" cabinet yesterday & now my rig sounds even more amazing! The Wedgie is a wedge shaped floor monitor with a 12/6/2 soft dome tweeter 3 way design. http://www.accugroovellc.com/#!wedgie/crn5

It is like a studio monitor for live sound. My band just went to in ear monitors so we are trying to reduce stage volume & the Wedgie is perfect for what I need! We had practice last night & it sounded amazing! It cut through the 2 guitar/drum sound & I could hear every note! I blended in the mix like a CD & could play softer & still hear what I was playing.

I called Mica yesterday with some questions about the F-2B & she answered all of them, but let me throw one of them out to y'all & see what you are doing. Do you run with the volume control higher & the tone controls lower, or the tone higher & the volume lower, or does it matter? I have tried it both ways & have not heard any distortion either way. I have yet to have the power amp volume over 2! I told Mica, I have not hooked it up in stereo yet, I'm not sure my brain is ready for that sensory overload yet! It sounds so incredible in mono, I imagine that stereo will be like dropping acid! I will probably see all kinds of psychedelic colors & pink elephants & stuff! LOL! I do plan to sell my entire Eden rig & buy an Accugroove "El Whappo" for outdoor gigs, so I will have the speakers to go stereo if I want to.

Jazzyvee, to answer your question, I got here as quick as I could! When I first got back to playing again after quitting for 12 years due to my job, I needed a new amp & at the time everyone was singing the praises of Eden, so I thought having their flagship amp, the WT800, I had top of the line professional gear. I was SO wrong! Eden makes great stuff, but it pales in comparison to Alembic!

David, I highly recommend that you sell all your gear & get an Alembic preamp! You will NOT be disappointed!

Pete, no hijack at all! We are all here to help each other, which is why I started this post, to tell everyone how AMAZING the F-2B is! Like you, I thought my Eden was top notch gear too until I played through the F-2B! The only advice I can give you is if you get a F-2B or F-1X, don't even bother with a micro amp, get a light weight power amp. You won't need the signal processing of a micro amp with an Allembic preamp. For light weight cabinets I highly recommend checking out the Accugrooves! My Wedgie weighs just under 30 pounds. If you don't want the floor monitor version, they have the same speakers in a traditional square box too along with several other models with multiple speaker combinations. All of them use neo speakers & are light weight. Their largest cabinet, the "El Whappo" has a 15/12/6/ 2 tweeter 4 way combination, & it is only 58 pounds. My Fender Rumble combo amp I've been using weighs 65 pounds!

Chalie, glad you got your cable parts ordered. What cable did you wind up going with?

Hankster, "Resistance is futile!" Keeping "GAS" pent up inside you is never a good thing!

I have my 1st gig with the new rig tomorrow night, I'll let you know how it sounds.
5a_quilt_top
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Posted on Friday, March 27, 2015 - 2:52 pm:   Edit Post

Rusty - it'll be coming eventually, but some other things have to be sorted out first. It's an integral part of a bigger picture - an "organic whole" if you will.

Since you've been to the Mothership, you probably get the picture.
bigredbass
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Posted on Friday, March 27, 2015 - 9:38 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks a lot Slawie. I had tried one in a store and was unimpressed, and was amazed I wasn't. I've used TC outboard gear and just could not imagine that they missed by a mile with a bass head and cabinets. I researched the amp and downloaded the owner's manual, where I found out about being able to shift the center frequencies of the four EQ rotaries. Obviously, the factory defaults (or more likely somebody at the store screwed with the one I tried) didn't suit, so I'll go back now that I know how to shift to taste and then we'll see. Really appreciate the feedback, Thanks !

Joey
charles_holmes
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Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 6:11 am:   Edit Post

Hey Rusty,
I'm pretty sure that your gig went well & you received plenty of positive comments about the sound! I went with the Canare LE6S Star Quad "Red" cable. I'll take a photo of my rig and post it for you. Or you can look up "Chalie's Slim Rig.
rustyg61
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Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 6:31 am:   Edit Post

Chalie, I did a search for your slim rig but it timed out before finding the post. I'm sure you will like the Canare, I love mine! It is very flexible. Having the colored wire not only looks cool, but it is easier to see & not step on while you are playing.

My gig is tonight so I'll post on how the amp sounded later.
rustyg61
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Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 6:46 am:   Edit Post

Chalie, I did a search for your slim rig but it timed out before finding the post. I'm sure you will like the Canare, I love mine! It is very flexible. Having the colored wire not only looks cool, but it is easier to see & not step on while you are playing.
hankster
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Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 7:02 am:   Edit Post

Slawie, dumb question, but where do you take the signal in on the TC from the off board Alembic preamp? I use a TC and this idea interests me
hankster
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Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 7:09 am:   Edit Post

Slawie, dumb question, but where do you take the signal in on the TC from the off board Alembic preamp? I use a TC and this idea interests me
hankster
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Posted on Saturday, March 28, 2015 - 10:51 am:   Edit Post

Sorry for double post.
slawie
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Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 3:46 pm:   Edit Post

Rusty, firstly apologies for the thread hijack.

Joey, turning the amp on while holding down the Memory 1,2 & 3 buttons resets them to all to default.
You can reset individual or multiple 1, 2 or 3 memories depending upon which buttons you hold down during power-up.

Attached is the full freq map. Note: this is not a Times Square personality list.

Freq map.JPG

My all time favourite way to configure my rig is as per below. I have a QSC amp which is way lighter than the Soniq power amp I also have.
This is shown set up for use with my Essence so that I get sound out of each side with a mono bass through the QSC power amp Plug a non-series bass into channel 1 of F2-B. Note the jumper lead from channel 1 to channel 2. Output from the F2-B
1 to left channel and 2 to right channel of power amp.

Stereo Rig.jpg

Richard,
It is possible to take the M output from the F2-B to either the front input of the TC This gives the option to mess with the TC preamp settings (and input gain)or; into the back at the send/receive port into the receive port to utilise only the output stage of the amp. I have used both methods and have a preference to connect to the input on the front of the amp to manipulate the signal processing.

Rusty is absolutely correct about the use of a dedicated power amp with the whole of the signal range being generated by Alembic basses making it to the output stage and ultimately to the audience.

Rusty. Sorry once again for the deviation from the thread theme.
slawie
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Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post

oh for goodness sake double post!

(Message edited by slawie on March 29, 2015)
slawie
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Posted on Sunday, March 29, 2015 - 4:00 pm:   Edit Post

triple post

(Message edited by slawie on March 29, 2015)
rustyg61
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Posted on Monday, March 30, 2015 - 2:56 am:   Edit Post

Slawie, no worries on the deviation, in fact I read something of interest in your post, what QSC do you have? I just bought a GX7a yesterday & love it! It weighs less than half what my Eden WT800 weighs & has more than twice the wattage!

I never thought about jumpering the inputs on the F-2B like that, great idea!
slawie
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Posted on Monday, March 30, 2015 - 2:21 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Rusty,
The amp is a PLX1804
It's not capable of bridging or going down to 2ohms
Lowest is 4ohms hence the name.
It's a solidly built amp however the fan is a trifle loud.
And the airflow blows out the front.
It's a little chilly if you are standing in front of your rig with shorts on.
Now there's a mental picture I'm sure no one really wanted.
slawie
rustyg61
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 2:52 am:   Edit Post

Hey Slawie, my GX7 doesn't have bridge mode either, but it is 800 watts into 8 ohms & 1200 into 4 ohms, so that is more than enough power for my Accugroove Wedgie. My fan blows out the front too, but it is not loud & doesn't blow that hard. The fan on my Eden WT 800 was very loud!
moongerm
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 5:18 am:   Edit Post

This is a great discussion and one that is influencing me to also forego the use of my Acoustic Image Focus 2 amp and go with a QSC GXD 4 or 8. Rusty, Did you take a look or even listen to the difference of the GX7 and the new GXD with DSP? Seems like the GXD could be more flexible with all of the settings options, e.g. parametric eq?

-Brian
rustyg61
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 7:00 am:   Edit Post

Brian, I didn't test drive any of the QSC amps, but my band has used QSC on our PA for 15 years so I knew they were good amps. I would not have wanted a GXD with additional signal processing though, that is what I was trying to get away from by getting the F-2B & retiring my Eden WT 800. The Eden had 9 controls to alter the EQ & the F-2B has 3 & sounds much better than the Eden! I have an SF-2 also, so I have all the signal processing I will ever need. That is the beauty of the F-2B, it gets an incredible sound with very little tweaking. The Eden sounded good but had way too many variables to deal with.
moongerm
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Posted on Tuesday, March 31, 2015 - 7:36 am:   Edit Post

Good point Rusty, Thanks. I also see the fear with the DSP alternative adding coloration or the potential for added noise on top of another set of controls to putz around with. I suppose if the DSP is clean and if ran flat and sounds similar to the Gx7 it might be worth a shot. Otherwise I may follow the same path as you.
moongerm
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Posted on Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 7:27 am:   Edit Post

Hey Rusty, Just wanted to let you know that I picked up the QSC GX7. It sounds great! Simple is better as you mentioned. Thanks for sharing the knowledge and feedback.

-Brian
rustyg61
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Posted on Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 5:38 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Brian, congrats on the new amp! I played my first gig with the QSC Saturday night & it sounded great! My guitar player even commented on how good my rig sounded & he is usually the one who tells me to turn down! I love the indented gain controls on the QSC, I went up one click at one point in the set & it was just what I needed. I still haven't hooked up my rig in stereo but I plan to do that this week. It sounds pretty amazing in mono with the Accugroove Wedgie!
moongerm
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Posted on Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 10:03 pm:   Edit Post

That is some guitar player you work with lol! I only experimented in the house with it thus far. In complete fear I am going to blow some speakers I kept the volume controls at 12 o'clock on the GX7 and I have 3 different 400 watt 8 ohm speakers (Markbass 2-10, PJB 4x5, Aguilar 1-12, plus a 600 watt Accugroove 2x10+6" cab (8 or 4 ohms) I can mix and match. So the next step is to see what speaker combos will work good together in stereo.

I ran it in stereo using my Anniversary electronics and it is sooo much better than mono. Can't wait to play it live. I am also using 2 F1X preamps, one for each pickup.
jazzyvee
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Posted on Tuesday, April 07, 2015 - 10:46 pm:   Edit Post

I run my QSC with the gain controls at maximum and keep the F1-x quite low and play lightly and that works well for me and keeps everything clean.
rustyg61
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Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 12:42 am:   Edit Post

I started the gig with my QSC at 12:00, then went up one click midway through the show. Are any of you running a compressor with your rigs? I talked to Mark at Accugroove & he said they weren't necessary, but I had one on my Eden head & my Rumble. I haven't had any problem with my Wedgie distorting, so I guess I'm not hitting it too hard. Mark also recommended a power amp with twice the wattage as the cabinet rating so you don't have to push the amp hard. He said you are more likely to blow a speaker by clipping the amp than by sending too much wattage to the cabinet. The Wedgie is rated for 400 watts at 8 ohms & the QSC is 800 watts into 8 ohms when running just one side of it, which is what I'm doing right now. It is 725 watts into 8 ohms using both channels. I'm going to sell my Eden boxes & get either an Accugroove El Whappo (15/12/6/dual tweeter), or a Tri 115 (15/6/dual tweeter) then I can run in stereo if I want to. I bought a Radial Engineering dual direct box so I can send a stereo signal to the PA. Right now I just use one side of it.
jazzyvee
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Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 8:01 am:   Edit Post

Mostly I use one side of the QSC with either one or two 8 ohm cabs. I have tried a couple of rack mount and a Boss pedal compressors in the past and didn't like the results. They were all too noisy and I also couldn't set it right. I really wanted to use it as a limiter to stop me ripping my speaker cones but I couldn't get on with the added hiss.
I too have a Radial Engineering passive Dual di and only used it for recording so far and it's a great tool.
moongerm
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Username: moongerm

Post Number: 166
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 2:52 pm:   Edit Post

Don't use compression live unless it is for an effect on a specific tune that calls for it. The Eventide H9 has a neat compressor btw but may add hiss. I must check out that dual Radial di, good tip Jazzy and Rusty. Thanks again!
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1605
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Wednesday, April 08, 2015 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

Brian, this is the DI I got - http://www.radialeng.com/r2011/prod2.php
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1615
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 3:57 pm:   Edit Post

Here is my new & MUCH improved rig! I keep my DS-5R & SF-2 in a separate rack so I can use them with my Rumble combo if I ever want to, but with the Accugroove Wedgie which sounds much much better & takes up less room on stage, I can't see ever using the Rumble, unless it was for an outdoor gig in Galveston where I don't want my gear exposed to the salt air. I bought the stand at Home Depot. It is light & the perfect size for my racks, & it folds up flat for easy transport.





moongerm
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Username: moongerm

Post Number: 173
Registered: 8-2013
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 4:35 pm:   Edit Post

Great idea Rusty! Love that Wedgie too! Ok that sounds awkward...
stephenr
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Username: stephenr

Post Number: 61
Registered: 9-2014
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 5:31 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Rusty... a stand like that is just the thing I have been looking for. How high can it go and in what section of Home Depot do they stash them.
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1595
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 5:36 pm:   Edit Post

Looks real good !!
You have a lucky audience ;)
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1616
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Saturday, April 11, 2015 - 6:47 pm:   Edit Post

Stephen, the stand is not adjustable in height, it is 31" which puts it just below my waist. It is the perfect height to reach the knobs on my amp though. It is in the building materials section of Home Depot with the saw horses. In my store it was on the last isle closest to the wall where all the fencing material is, next isle over from the plywood. Here is the link for it - http://www.homedepot.com/p/Husky-X-Workhorse-Workbench-17185155/202021304#product_description
flpete1uw
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Username: flpete1uw

Post Number: 475
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 4:22 am:   Edit Post

If that table doubled as a handcart, they would have something really sweet! I guess I am just a dreamer.
Pete
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1619
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 4:50 am:   Edit Post

Nothing wrong with dreaming Pete! I wish it had wheels on it to make it easy to pull out to get to the back of my rack. I may build a platform with wheels to set it on.

Jazzyvee, I tried your setup last night, going stereo out of the DS-5R into both channels of the F-2B & then the combined out of the F-2B into the SF-2, then into one side of the QSC then into the Wedgie & it sounds incredible! It give's you much more control of the mids & highs. I played around with my SCSD going into the bridge pickup channel of the F-2B & I can get a great midrange sound just adjusting the filters on the SCSD & leaving the settings on the F-2B set for my Europa bridge pickup. So I'm going to start playing the SCSD again on the Journey tunes that need that midrange sound. I will just have to swap cables for the SCSD, but that is not a big deal.

(Message edited by rustyg61 on April 12, 2015)
stephenr
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Username: stephenr

Post Number: 62
Registered: 9-2014
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 10:04 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for the info about the stand. Definitely will be checking it out.
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1620
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post

You're welcome Stephen! Hope it works for you as well as it does for me!
jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 4472
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 11:24 am:   Edit Post

Rusty to emulate my setup with the F2-B you'd need to come out of there in stereo with each pickup going into it's own channel of the SF-2.
I then have my QSC in parallel mode and take both SF-2 outputs to the amp L + R were they are combined to power either one or more cabs in mono.

Hope that makes sense
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 1621
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 1:55 pm:   Edit Post

Jazzyvee, I did try running each pickup into a separate channel of my SF-2 & going full stereo into both sides of the QSC & separate speaker boxes. It sounded amazing, but I don't want to haul the extra speaker box to run true stereo. If I use a separate channel on the SF-2 for each pickup, then I will have to use 2 channels on the PA. The way I have it now I can plug my SCSD into the bridge pickup channel on my F-2B & still have both low & high channels on the SF-2 to EQ the SCSD & still have it use the same single channel on the PA as my Europa. I have my DI patched in between the F-2B & SF-2 so I can use the SF-2 just to adjust my stage sound without affecting the PA EQ.

The beauty of these Alembic processors is their versatility with the multiple combinations of hookups you can do. Having separate & combined channel outputs & stereo/mono switches gives us so many possibilities it's mind boggling! It has been said before, but I will say it again, Ron Wickersham is a Wizard! His forethought into designing gear with all these possibilities is pure GENIOUS!!!
jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 4473
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 2:10 pm:   Edit Post

I see.... good point well made. :-)
jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 4474
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, April 12, 2015 - 2:16 pm:   Edit Post

I see.... good point well made. :-)

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