Post Number: 46
|Posted on Sunday, July 16, 2006 - 6:41 pm: |
Hello! I bought a WT800 and many members here use the same ampli. I want the stereo sound running through it, but have just one input.
what I must make? Some suggestion?
Post Number: 228
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 3:58 am: |
Hi Ricardo, I also own an Eden WT-800. To the best of my knowledge, the single front panel input is mono. One of the ways to create a pseude-stereo sound is to use two identical cabinets, one for each output channel. But a lot will depend upon what you want to do, or what you are trying to achieve. The balance control will adjust the the blend between the left and right channels, and if you run the WT-800 in Bi-Amp mode (which is how I use it) it also adjusts the Hi and Low balance. I use a 1x15 cab for the lows and a 2x10 for the upper frequencey range. In the beginning I used 2 4x10 cabinets and I got great coverage over a wide area, but then changed the cabinets and switched to the Bi-Amp mode. Hope this helps.
Post Number: 37
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 5:20 am: |
I have the same set up with a WT800 and a Series 1 (graphite). The input will only accept mono signals unfortunately. I have played about with trying to patch in a signal through the stereo effects loop but haven't had any luck as such yet.
I'm currently having a basic 1U 19" mixer custom built for me that combines an Alembic power supply, stereo effects loop, stereo DI and 3 mono inputs for other basses so I can go all the way down the stereo route but still use a mono fretless or whatever if needed, without a load of faff unplugging and swapping basses about.
It could be modified to allow for two stereo alembic basses too if anyone was interested.
Post Number: 47
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:04 am: |
Thank´s Ellery and Steve. But the issue continues!!!
I think Dave Houck have good informations to us. We go to wait!
Post Number: 1236
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:58 am: |
Thw WT800 is not a stereo head. It only has two power amps to power multiple cabs or bi-amp. In order to treat your signal as stereo, you would need a separate preamp. With a separate preamp, it looks like you could use the FX loop returns to feed separate signals to the two sides of the power amp.
To be more specific, you would feed one pickup directly into the WT800. Connect the FX loop send to the FX loop L return. Feed the other pickup to some external preamp (Bass POD XT, Sansamp, F-1X) and then connect the output of that preamp to the FX loop R return. The result should be what you're looking for.
The down side here is that adjusting your pickup balance will affect how much sound is coming out of each side, not just the character of it. This kind of "stereo" isn't really for putting a cab on either side of the stage, but rather for having individual control of each pickup's tone shaping from start to finish.
Here's another thought. If you want the appearance of stereo sound rather than the ability to manage each pickup individually, then you can again use the FX loop. With the tasteful use of stereo effects (chorus, delay, etc.), you can create a setup that will give you imaging options if you locate a cab on either side of the stage.
Post Number: 187
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 2:19 pm: |
As others have said, your WT-800 isn't intended to handle stereo inputs. To Eden's credit, other than your Series bass and the Rickenbacker 4001, there's not many basses where you would want or need stereo inputs.
The entire preamp section is mono. You do have two independent stereo power amps. So, the one thing you could do is to patch the bridge and neck signals from your DS-5 box to the effects return jacks. This will feed the two power amps with your independent signals. You will have no ability to use the preamp level or tone controls, and you'd have to use the bass' volume controls to control the volume. Not much fun!
The other alternative would be to run one channel from the DS-5 to the regular input and the other one to the right effects return. This would allow you to use the tone and level controls on one pickup, and control the other pickups sound from the bass.
Of course, any stereo setup will require two speaker cabinets as well.
Some people love it, but I've never been that crazy about biamp or stereo setups like this. Take the mono out from the DS-5 to your Eden's input, set the power amps to bridge mode and have fun!
Post Number: 575
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 2:28 pm: |
I'm with David here. To really here the true stereo effect you'd need the cabs pretty far apart too.
I do however like the sound of a good bi-amp rig but it's just more gear to haul around.
Post Number: 4100
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 3:46 pm: |
The only other option not mentioned above would be to get an F-2B, or other similar two channel preamp, and run both channels into the Eden's stereo effects return, which means you're using the Eden as a power amp.
People use the S1's separate neck and bridge pickup signals in different ways. Personally, I'm currently sending each signal into an F-2B preamp channel. This allows me a little more fine tuning of the EQ for each pickup. But I then output a mono siganl to the rest of the chain. However, this fine tuning could be considered as "marginal"; I hear it and appreciate it, but then I also like the tone I get from my mono F-1X.
Others use the two pickups almost as separate instruments and make good use of two channel rigs. So it depends on how you intend to use the two signals as to whether a mono amp like the WT-800 or F-1X or most others is the way to go or whether you need to go to two channels.
Post Number: 45
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:20 pm: |
Here's something I've been playing around with with my Europa 5 w/ Series I Electronics. I'm using an Eden 410 XLT powered by an F-1X and a Stewart World 1.2 with the neck pickup and a Fender Princeton Chorus for the bridge pickup. The Fender amp is a pretty cheap one but the tones I get are pretty cool. Even the B string sounds pretty solid. I could only imagine a higher end guitar amp for the bridge pickup would really be something else. Your Eden rig could then be devoted to delivering thundering bass and all the nuances from the neck pickup.
Here's hoping that you find the nirvana of tone.
Post Number: 48
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 7:23 pm: |
I will try some of this options and i will post something later.
In Brasil the F-2B are rares and i will try with another pre-amp.
Thank´s and if someone have more ideas, please let me know.
Post Number: 576
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 8:32 pm: |
I like Daves set up. Not a stereo setup but you get much more control on your tone.
Post Number: 38
|Posted on Monday, July 17, 2006 - 11:48 pm: |
You're probably not going to want to hear this, but Eden have released a head recently called the WT1205 which replaces the WT800 as the flag ship model.
The WT1205 has separate preamps to handle one mono input each. I can't tell from the website whether the preamps are then summed before being combined with the stereo effects loop or whether you have some some control over which preamp goes to what side. I suspect its the former but have a look for yourself.
Post Number: 119
|Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 1:12 am: |
I'm glad that I can run my Series 1 mono thru my WT-800 like David suggested and also in stereo mode with my F-2B like Dave wrote.
I think there is plenty of possibilities with the mono mode because the Eden offers a lot of versatility in sound control and together with the Series 1 electronic you will reach 98,5% of the sound you are expecting from your Alembic (if you have good speakers). So if you're looking for the other 1,5% you need the stereo mode which will be possible with the new head from Eden.
Post Number: 1238
|Posted on Tuesday, July 18, 2006 - 8:57 am: |
Th WT1205 is capable of stereo operation end-to-end, but I don't want to think about what you'd pay to get one to Brazil.