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lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 135
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 4:24 pm:   Edit Post

I have been waiting for an answer for about a month now, I still don't know... Now it is urgent and important!

- Would anyone know what bit size is needed to drill, for getting those inserts in properly (PUs and back plate/truss rod cover/PU selector inserts)?

My bass is under the bench at the moment and the luthier is a bit nervous using those inserts, when he tried previously on my first Arialembic he split them and gave up, and reused the old ones. I want him to do it properly this time.

I also noticed that those inserts are slotted, yet, when looking at them on Alembic basses, I cannot see the slot, so it looks like they are being screwed in "upside down" using a special tool.

Anyone?

Thanks,
LG
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 3668
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 4:39 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Louis-Gino,

Your question does not have a simple answer. I have not been available to produce a detailed tutorial, which it's apparent you will need in install the inserts correctly.

Today I spoke with James, and he is going to coordinate with me for the next inserts he installs so that I can document and photograph the procedure. It's more than just drilling the right sized hole (although it's a good start).

Today, he was not installing any inserts. Maybe tomorrow!
lg71
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Username: lg71

Post Number: 136
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:03 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Mica,

Thanks, I understand perfectly.

The thing is the luthier is put on "hold" at the moment, because I told him to wait until I get back to him with exact measurements.
Believe me, he kinda "fears" this procedure.

Meanwhile, he cannot really move on because of that. But that's fine, I much prefer to wait again, as opposed to have him start and not doing it properly. So, I'll call him again tomorrow and will tell him to wait a bit more before he starts on this.

I have asked him to do all possible inserts points on the bass, PUs, truss rod, back plate... I am even thinking of doing the bridge, as it gets tarnished very quickly, and it would be nice to take if off without further damaging the threads on the wood. Anyway, I really look forward to some relevant details/explanations regarding this mysterious procedure.

But as you said, drilling the right holes is a good start, and if I could have those dimensions before the more advanced part, at least he could start drilling, and I could put the inserts myself at later stage. I would have drilled myself, but I don't have a press.
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 3671
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:10 pm:   Edit Post

I'll include the drill sizes with the whole procedure - you and he should read the whole procedure first before you drill anything. It can avoid some unneccesary rework!

We'll be documenting both the plate and the pickup inserts.
lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 137
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 5:15 pm:   Edit Post

Thank you, I am definitely going to tell him all that, and count on me, I'll do the reading for him. He won't escape any of the right procedures this time!
2400wattman
Advanced Member
Username: 2400wattman

Post Number: 247
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Monday, October 16, 2006 - 8:17 pm:   Edit Post

Fantastic!, please fill me in as I need to do this same thing for my Series1.
lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 141
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 1:53 pm:   Edit Post

Great, I am not the only "weirdo" :-) LOL
2400wattman
Advanced Member
Username: 2400wattman

Post Number: 248
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 5:43 pm:   Edit Post

Absolutely not! There's more of us than you realize. Whooooooooo!
lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 144
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Tuesday, October 17, 2006 - 5:46 pm:   Edit Post

Nice to hear that!
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :-)
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 3679
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 3:32 pm:   Edit Post

Check the FAQ for the installation instructions. Hope they help!
jack
Member
Username: jack

Post Number: 100
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 3:40 pm:   Edit Post

Cool tutorial. Well done. I love the big "prohibited" sign on the screwdriver in the last pic.
lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 153
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 5:56 pm:   Edit Post

Mica, thank you so much

I didn't expect to see what I saw, it's amazing what one can achieve with a combination of simplicity and being creative as well!

I had a different idea, I thought you were using a special custom tool for that, I was far from it.

I have spent some time designing a little tool for you, that's what I thought you were using. If you like it and find it useful, why not trying to make something similar. The drawing is a bit primitive, but I am sure you'll get the idea.

Was wondering the size of the bit for the PUs inserts?

Thanks,
LG

Insert tool idea
mica
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Username: mica

Post Number: 3682
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 6:06 pm:   Edit Post

Well, we actually do use a different tool for the job, but most folks that are only going to modify a single instrument won't want to spend $90 on a tool for such a specific purpose.

The sizes for the pickup inserts are included at the end of the post. Hope it helps.
lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 154
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 6:13 pm:   Edit Post

Just a little addendum, if thought you could even use a more "passive" design, where you don't have to press at the top to get the bits in, the bits could use a spring system, so you could simply pull the tool, and they would retract by themselves, although the edges/corners of the bits would have to be rounded... Just some constructive thoughts...
lg71
Intermediate Member
Username: lg71

Post Number: 155
Registered: 3-2006
Posted on Wednesday, October 18, 2006 - 6:15 pm:   Edit Post

I see, I just read you last post! Well, it's clear now ;)

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