| Author | Message | ||
| shim
Junior Username: shim Post Number: 41 Registered: 12-2006 |
Hi everyone~ I have some questions about builing my custom. I want to add the EQ in my signature electronics, so I cannot choose the option between the knob EQ and quick toggle switch like in Europa. And, first, I think about the high and bass cut/flat/boost toggle for controlling overall sound, but now, I think it could be better to install mid cut/flat/boost switches for each pick-up. So, Summary.... (1) the knob type or quick toggle switch?? (2) Could Mid cut/flat/boost toggles for each pick-up be more useful than the high and bass toggles for controling overall sound?? Please add your opinion~~~ Thanx. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1437 Registered: 3-2004 |
Personally, I suspect that a mid boost/cut would be more valuable than the bass boost/cut. I have wished for a mid boost on several occasions. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1438 Registered: 3-2004 |
Let me add to the above that there are a couple frequency ranges that I would want to manage. That makes it difficult since a single mid boost switch wouldn't do it. I do like the concept of the tone switches as implemented on Zon's Sonus Studio, though. | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 3968 Registered: 6-2000 |
The quick tone change switches are independent of the filter and offer +6dB / flat / -6dB. So in the center position, they're "invisible" The effect of these switches is between the pan/balance and filter. These are found on the Europa, Rogue and originally on the Distillate model. The bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) are asymmetrical, +6dB and -15dB centered around 100Hz and 5KHz. We do not offer a stock midrange switch or knob. As Shim's project is very time-sensitive, it is not an option to so custom electronics. Bob, you mentioned a couple of frequency reanges that would be useful. Please share these with me as I am compiling a list of what customer's specific requests are in regards to more robust midrange control. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1439 Registered: 3-2004 |
Sure, Mica. My theories on midrange come from experience with various preamps and variations on their recommended settings. I find that, especially in live situations, a boost around 200-250 Hz with the right shape does wonders for fingerstyle punch coming through. I use that for Motown and Blues type stuff and I prefer the tone it creates above what I get from boosting deeper bass frequencies. This may be a matter of practicality since the power and speaker area required to do a solid job with low bass is more than the typical bar-band gigger carries. The other range I find useful for more jazzy clarity is the area around 750-850 Hz. I use this a lot less since I don't focus on that musical style as much. The third midrange setting that might be useful to a slapper is the auto-smiley-face-creator. I don't do that, so I couldn't say what it should look like. I would like to have had a midrange control in my custom. I would have liked an internal pot to dial in the frequency and either a three way switch or a cut/boost knob to set the gain. If it were hard-configured, I would go for (flat/+6 @ 250/+6 @ 750) in a three-way toggle. I never cut mids in my style of play. As a general mod, a quick tone switch tied to an internal frequency-setting pot would be the most flexible. That way, Rogue electronics would just have two identical switches with the frequencies pre-set appropriately. The owner would then be able to set those two switches however they please. Thanks, Mica! | ||
| shim
Junior Username: shim Post Number: 43 Registered: 12-2006 |
SO, Mica, the mid-positioned knob is invisible in sound, too?? or changes the sound?? | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1440 Registered: 3-2004 |
What she was saying is that the bass/treble controls are invisible when they are set to the "flat" position. This is true of the actual bass and treble knobs on the Epic/Orion models and the "quick tone change" switches found on Europa and Rogue models. There is no current mid knob. If they do make a mid control, it will almost certainly have an invisible setting, though. -Bob | ||
| shim
Junior Username: shim Post Number: 44 Registered: 12-2006 |
Sorry, I'm poor at English, so you might misunderstand. Bob... what I mean is the bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) could set for natural sound(invisable EQ effect) or not. And how can I know the natural sound of my bass without effecting of high and bass control. This is not about the toggle witches, but bass and treble knob. Can you understand? | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1441 Registered: 3-2004 |
Is there not a center point for the bass and treble knobs? That would be the flat position. | ||
| shim
Junior Username: shim Post Number: 45 Registered: 12-2006 |
But, Mica said... The bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) are asymmetrical, +6dB and -15dB centered around 100Hz and 5KHz. So, I think the center of the knobs might be not flat, 0 dB, because they are asymmetrical. How do you think about this? | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1442 Registered: 3-2004 |
Not what she meant. Here's what she was saying in more detail. The bass control works on a range of frequencies centered at 100 Hz. The center position is no gain. As you turn the knob clockwise from center, the gain rises from 0 to +6dB. As you turn the knob counter-clockwise from center, the gain (cut) decreases from 0 to -15dB. The treble control works on a range of frequencies centered at 5000 Hz. The center position is no gain. As you turn the knob clockwise from center, the gain increases from 0 to +6dB. As you turn the knob counter-clockwise from center, the gain (cut) decreases from 0 to -15dB. The asymmetrical gain is because a small amount of boost can be very powerful, and excessive gain boost generates noise. This is especially true with low-powered onboard electronics. Allowing more than +6dB of gain would be an invitation to bad tone. On the other hand, you can cut all you want without damaging the integrity of the signal. The -15dB cut is perfectly useful for tone shaping. | ||
| shim
Junior Username: shim Post Number: 47 Registered: 12-2006 |
Thanx for your kind explaiation for me. So, I decide about my electronics. I will ask installing the treble ans bass control knobs to Mica. ( not toggles~!!! ) Thanx your help, bsee. Your kind explaination was very helpful in my decision. |
