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shim
Junior
Username: shim

Post Number: 41
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 9:32 pm:   Edit Post

Hi everyone~ I have some questions about builing my custom.

I want to add the EQ in my signature electronics, so I cannot choose the option between the knob EQ and quick toggle switch like in Europa.

And, first, I think about the high and bass cut/flat/boost toggle for controlling overall sound, but now, I think it could be better to install mid cut/flat/boost switches for each pick-up.

So, Summary....

(1) the knob type or quick toggle switch??
(2) Could Mid cut/flat/boost toggles for each pick-up be more useful than the high and bass toggles for controling overall sound??

Please add your opinion~~~

Thanx.
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee

Post Number: 1437
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:43 pm:   Edit Post

Personally, I suspect that a mid boost/cut would be more valuable than the bass boost/cut. I have wished for a mid boost on several occasions.
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee

Post Number: 1438
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 10:45 pm:   Edit Post

Let me add to the above that there are a couple frequency ranges that I would want to manage. That makes it difficult since a single mid boost switch wouldn't do it. I do like the concept of the tone switches as implemented on Zon's Sonus Studio, though.
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 3968
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Friday, January 05, 2007 - 11:16 pm:   Edit Post

The quick tone change switches are independent of the filter and offer +6dB / flat / -6dB. So in the center position, they're "invisible" The effect of these switches is between the pan/balance and filter. These are found on the Europa, Rogue and originally on the Distillate model.

The bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) are asymmetrical, +6dB and -15dB centered around 100Hz and 5KHz.

We do not offer a stock midrange switch or knob. As Shim's project is very time-sensitive, it is not an option to so custom electronics.

Bob, you mentioned a couple of frequency reanges that would be useful. Please share these with me as I am compiling a list of what customer's specific requests are in regards to more robust midrange control.
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee

Post Number: 1439
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 12:49 am:   Edit Post

Sure, Mica. My theories on midrange come from experience with various preamps and variations on their recommended settings. I find that, especially in live situations, a boost around 200-250 Hz with the right shape does wonders for fingerstyle punch coming through. I use that for Motown and Blues type stuff and I prefer the tone it creates above what I get from boosting deeper bass frequencies. This may be a matter of practicality since the power and speaker area required to do a solid job with low bass is more than the typical bar-band gigger carries.

The other range I find useful for more jazzy clarity is the area around 750-850 Hz. I use this a lot less since I don't focus on that musical style as much.

The third midrange setting that might be useful to a slapper is the auto-smiley-face-creator. I don't do that, so I couldn't say what it should look like.

I would like to have had a midrange control in my custom. I would have liked an internal pot to dial in the frequency and either a three way switch or a cut/boost knob to set the gain. If it were hard-configured, I would go for (flat/+6 @ 250/+6 @ 750) in a three-way toggle. I never cut mids in my style of play.

As a general mod, a quick tone switch tied to an internal frequency-setting pot would be the most flexible. That way, Rogue electronics would just have two identical switches with the frequencies pre-set appropriately. The owner would then be able to set those two switches however they please.

Thanks, Mica!
shim
Junior
Username: shim

Post Number: 43
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 6:09 am:   Edit Post

SO, Mica, the mid-positioned knob is invisible in sound, too?? or changes the sound??
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee

Post Number: 1440
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 7:38 am:   Edit Post

What she was saying is that the bass/treble controls are invisible when they are set to the "flat" position. This is true of the actual bass and treble knobs on the Epic/Orion models and the "quick tone change" switches found on Europa and Rogue models.

There is no current mid knob. If they do make a mid control, it will almost certainly have an invisible setting, though.

-Bob
shim
Junior
Username: shim

Post Number: 44
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 7:57 am:   Edit Post

Sorry, I'm poor at English, so you might misunderstand.

Bob... what I mean is the bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) could set for natural sound(invisable EQ effect) or not. And how can I know the natural sound of my bass without effecting of high and bass control.
This is not about the toggle witches, but bass and treble knob.
Can you understand?
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee

Post Number: 1441
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 9:23 am:   Edit Post

Is there not a center point for the bass and treble knobs? That would be the flat position.
shim
Junior
Username: shim

Post Number: 45
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post

But, Mica said... The bass and treble controls (like on and Excel or Orion bass) are asymmetrical, +6dB and -15dB centered around 100Hz and 5KHz.

So, I think the center of the knobs might be not flat, 0 dB, because they are asymmetrical.

How do you think about this?
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee

Post Number: 1442
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post

Not what she meant. Here's what she was saying in more detail.

The bass control works on a range of frequencies centered at 100 Hz. The center position is no gain. As you turn the knob clockwise from center, the gain rises from 0 to +6dB. As you turn the knob counter-clockwise from center, the gain (cut) decreases from 0 to -15dB.

The treble control works on a range of frequencies centered at 5000 Hz. The center position is no gain. As you turn the knob clockwise from center, the gain increases from 0 to +6dB. As you turn the knob counter-clockwise from center, the gain (cut) decreases from 0 to -15dB.

The asymmetrical gain is because a small amount of boost can be very powerful, and excessive gain boost generates noise. This is especially true with low-powered onboard electronics. Allowing more than +6dB of gain would be an invitation to bad tone. On the other hand, you can cut all you want without damaging the integrity of the signal. The -15dB cut is perfectly useful for tone shaping.
shim
Junior
Username: shim

Post Number: 47
Registered: 12-2006
Posted on Saturday, January 06, 2007 - 11:01 am:   Edit Post

Thanx for your kind explaiation for me.
So, I decide about my electronics. I will ask installing the treble ans bass control knobs to Mica. ( not toggles~!!! )

Thanx your help, bsee. Your kind explaination was very helpful in my decision.

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