| Author | Message | ||
| mele_aloha
New Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 10 Registered: 1-2007 |
OK you folks, You have been helping me out on the bass trail, now may I please ask your opinions or favorites on cabinets. I know we just had a amp thread but can we narrow it down a little. I need help. In the past I have been running my f-1X through the rear of my 1000 watt carvin. Now I have a new svt-2 pro ampeg all tube 300 watts of power, clean and fun. So now after getting a new amp rig I find the sound just increased about 100% out of me Excel, approximately the same as when I switched from the carvin to the alembic. The problem is now (or maybe not a problem)depending on your opinions is that the only cabs I have are the Carvins. One 4X10 w/horn, one 1X15, and 0ne 1X18. They seem to have been OK up until now but everytime I make an improvement such as getting my Excel, then getting this ampeg all tube pro everything keeps getting better which leads me to believe that I have more room for improvement in the speaker area. So I am open to all opinions. I have heard alot about the accugroove's, the acme's, mesa boogies, etc. Where should I go next? Thank you, Paul | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 986 Registered: 10-2002 |
"Where should I go next?" i'd suggest you wait till you get your series then take all your kit to a decent store and try out as many combinations as you can. Everyone on here is going to give you their own preference. mine is EBS NEO but I also like the Eden XSTs. Graeme | ||
| worldfamousandy
Member Username: worldfamousandy Post Number: 91 Registered: 3-2004 |
If you go to the right store, you won't have to bring your gear. I was in Bass Central last year, and they were able to supply me with a Series 1, and Alembic F-1X, and a QSC (exactly my rig). They also stocked every cabinet I have ever dreamed of, so the day was well-spent. In the end, I chose the Schroeder neo 4X10. I had never even heard of Schroeder until I walked in to BC, and I was almost positive I wanted the Epifani. I liked the Schroeder better (better punch, more low-end potential, and an impressive ability to throw sound laterally, across the stage). It handles a TON of power, and the whole thing weighs about 65 lbs. A lot of cabinet designers are making incredible stuff these days. At some point, it becomes a matter of personal taste, but I think you'll notice a change for the better once you get into the realm of "boutique" cabs (e.g. AccuGroove, Eden, Epifani, Aguilar, Schroeder, etc.). Andy Calder www.andycalderbass.com | ||
| lidon2001
Advanced Member Username: lidon2001 Post Number: 276 Registered: 4-2005 |
Hello Paul and welcome. If you want to keep it all Ampeg, my band's practice room has two Ampeg 410HE and they are very nice. The sound from them is huge. I have an Accugroove Tri112 and I love it. It was bought without trying one first. Big, clean sound from a small cabinet with my Eden WT400, and it's very light weight. Rather expensive is the down side. Two of these or add a Tri115 and it would be a monster rig that you can actually carry. Not sure if they are the right fit for a SVT though. You would probably want an El Whappo/Whappo Jr. or two with that head. Since I like to try new things, my next bass cab would be from Tone Tubby. The hemp cone guitar speakers I bought are absolutely amazing, and I would like to hear what they do for bass. And please tell Pele I got her message next time you run into her. But sending brush fires to burn my uncle's house to the ground was a bit, well, over the top to say the least. Please pass along all due repsect to the fire goddess for me. I guess that's what happens when one plays with fire. It seems Alembic created the next Hope diamond for me. Who wants to be next? ;) Aloha, T | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 1994 Registered: 7-2004 |
Tone Tubby just came out with some hemp-cone 10" bass speakers, FWIW. Bill, tgo | ||
| jseitang
Intermediate Member Username: jseitang Post Number: 194 Registered: 6-2002 |
hey but if youre getting series II why not get the full alembic experience and get a f2b? | ||
| jseitang
Intermediate Member Username: jseitang Post Number: 195 Registered: 6-2002 |
i think if you get an f2b, use your svt as the power section, and get bag end speakers, you'd have the the ultimate rig. my opinion. (Message edited by jseitang on January 10, 2007) | ||
| bassjigga
Member Username: bassjigga Post Number: 99 Registered: 8-2005 |
Glockenklang. I think they're the sweetest cabs out there. The will sound like whatever you put into them, which is a good thing when it's an Alembic. They are very clean, pure, and open. I personally like the Double (2x12) but they're all great. | ||
| dela217
Senior Member Username: dela217 Post Number: 740 Registered: 6-2002 |
Everyone here is going to have a different opinion. Use your ears. I have tried a bunch; Mesa, GK, Eden, and others. To my ears Bag End is the way to go. They take a little getting used to, but I think sound wonderful. I guess what takes getting used to is that they are flat. There seems to be no built in peaks or valleys. Another thing I've noticed is that they sound much LARGER than they really are. I find the other brands that boast a flat cabinet sound small. With the Bag End, the sound seems to be coming from everywhere. Michael | ||
| inthelows
Advanced Member Username: inthelows Post Number: 282 Registered: 11-2006 |
How portable do you need it to be? What arena do you play? Club, hall, church? Power rating? Think outside the box for a moment. "Everone here is going to have a different opinion"---absolutely! A series bass has a wide tonal range. ELF cabs 18's or 15's with 12's or 10's for punch work for me. Stereo and biamped for more control. There are so many cabs out there now the suggestion to replicate your rig and try out a few options, trust your own ears, would seem the best advice, considering it's your money we're spending! ;) Bill..Tone Tubbies...Hemp??? Are you trying to drum up business??? Or was that Tele-tubbies? Come on-is that for real? I just googled it! Oh man-must be for medicinal purposes. tone tubby speakers NLP (Message edited by inthelows on January 10, 2007) (Message edited by inthelows on January 10, 2007) | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 1998 Registered: 7-2004 |
Normand: Absolutely for real. They are made by A. Brown Soun (not a typo, that's the name) in San Rafael, halfway between me and Alembic. They are being used by the likes of Clapton and Santana. I picked up a 12" guitar speaker over the holidays that I'll be using in a band situation for the first time this Saturday night. So far I love the tone of the thing. They've been making the guitar speakers for at least 2-3 years now. The bass speakers are new. Here's a link: http://tonetubby.com/ Bill, tgo | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 664 Registered: 2-2005 |
Another Bag End'er here. 18" ELF's and D10XD-B. It's a real hi-fi setup. I also know a number of folks that really like Eden. Keith | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 4687 Registered: 5-2002 |
Make a list of the recommendations above. Then run a search of this board (top right hand corner of every page) on each one separately to see what folks have posted in the past. For instance run a search on "Acme" and I imagine you'll find lots of prior discussions on Acme cabs. | ||
| mele_aloha
Junior Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 12 Registered: 1-2007 |
Thank you all. You have definitely told me some new brands out there that I did not know existed. The Bag End's are nice but I didn't see a price so far. The Glockenklangs looked excellent. And like some of you said, it's as much matching up to the new bass as it is to my ears, and where I play, etc. But I just wanted to get some ideas on some new stuff which is what you have helped me with. Unfortunately I don't have a place to go over here like bass central but it might just be worth the trip once I get my bass to take a trip there. Andy, are you saying that they will let you hang out for a couple of hours and try different rigs at bass central? That sure sounds nice. I did business with them before and they were really nice. In fact I bought my used f-1X from them and they shipped it to me. Do any of you have Carvins like me to tell me if there is enough diffence in them that they are that bad? Because they seem OK to me but it just seems like I could get more punch out of a 4X10 cabinet than this one. It is rated at 600 Watts but it does break up a little soon in my opinion. Although this Ampeg svt-2 pro has alot of power. Thank all of you for sharing, Aloha, Paul | ||
| mele_aloha
Junior Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 13 Registered: 1-2007 |
Thank you Dave, I am learning how to get around here and that helps alot. Paul | ||
| mele_aloha
Junior Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 14 Registered: 1-2007 |
Thanks bassjigga, That Glockenklang website is kool, it's got alot of good stuff. Paul | ||
| mele_aloha
Junior Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hey Keith, Can you steer me to a site with ELF's or am I just not to smart? Are those eden's or something? Thanks, Paul | ||
| mele_aloha
Junior Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2007 |
Hey Bill, I like those tonetubby's. It's just that I would have to keep them away from some old friends of mine. Who knows, I might wake up the next morning after a party and have found that my cones had been cut out, rolled and smoked. But at least there wouldn't have been any need for zigzags, just roll and light! Signed, Cheet and Chong P.S. It almost sounds like that's what I got ahold of when I answered you last night, I was kind of out of it-No? | ||
| bob
Senior Member Username: bob Post Number: 806 Registered: 11-2002 |
Paul (mele), ELF is a trademark/patent name that Bag End is no longer permitted to use. They now market the same products under the "Infra" name. Bag End makes a bunch of great stuff; the ELF or Infra range refers to a series of low frequency cabinets (from about 100 Hz down to either 18 or 8), which require the use of a special crossover component to drive them. I happen to have an ELF 18 and Deep Red 2x10 (forget the model number) and love them, but can't offer any useful comparisons to others. -Bob | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 665 Registered: 2-2005 |
Paul, Bob got to the ELF answer before me. I have some Carvin stuff. In my opinion there is no comparison between my Bag End 2X10 and Carvin 2X10. The sound of the Bag End is head and shoulders above the Carvin. It also has a better frequency response. I also feel the Eden 2X10's I have heard sound much better than the Carvin. Of course there is a big difference in the cabinet prices. I don't think you can go wrong with any of the high end cabinets. What it really boils down to is which one has the tone characteristics you like. The only way to determine this is to listen to the various manufacturer's cabinets. Keith | ||
| adriaan
Senior Member Username: adriaan Post Number: 1204 Registered: 6-2002 |
IIRC, there's a strong link between ELF and Alembic in that Ron Wickersham was involved in the development. | ||
| mele_aloha
Junior Username: mele_aloha Post Number: 19 Registered: 1-2007 |
That's interesting to know also adriaan. Hey Keith or Bob, do you know of sites that retail those speakers? | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 667 Registered: 2-2005 |
Paul, I would expect anyone who sells Bag End instrument speakers will also sell the Infra sub-woofers but they are probably a special order. The best place to start is the Bag End web site: http://www.bagend.com/ I got my 2X10 through Bass Central. The 18" ELF was a used purchase from another club member. Keith |
