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blazer
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Username: blazer

Post Number: 116
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 4:08 pm:   Edit Post

He plays a beautiful series one bass throughout the thing, the bass looks ENORMOUS on him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbHa2_o5flM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvSLC-q6vS4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZUbB4pE11E
inthelows
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Username: inthelows

Post Number: 319
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 6:09 pm:   Edit Post

Great video and nice bass!
Thanks for the links.
I've always wondered if the band on the thumb is a thumb pick or just tape on his right hand.
Does anybody have any info on that.
NLP
88persuader
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Username: 88persuader

Post Number: 268
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 6:39 pm:   Edit Post

Great links ... thanks!!!
hieronymous
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Post Number: 105
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 7:37 pm:   Edit Post

I think it's just a rubber thing on his thumb, not a pick. I seem to remember reading about it in an interview somewhere...
tbrannon
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Username: tbrannon

Post Number: 300
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 7:40 pm:   Edit Post

Somebody posted here a while back- I think with a link- that he uses a piece of black electrical tape, which helps keep the skin on his thumb from splitting.
inthelows
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Username: inthelows

Post Number: 321
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 9:20 pm:   Edit Post

Just wondering, BTW, I use a thumb pick. You can use it to pick normally and not have to worry about dropping it when switching to finger picking. Also you can turn it sideways and it really accents the pop when thumbing the notes. It takes a little getting used to but I've been doing for so long it's second nature now.
Thanks for the comments..
NLP
88persuader
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Post Number: 272
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 9:24 pm:   Edit Post

Thumb pick? Interesting idea!
jazzyvee
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Post Number: 713
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, January 21, 2007 - 11:44 pm:   Edit Post

A Level 42 junkie mate of mine told me that Mark started using black electrical tape on his thumb after splitting it open on a gig in the far east years ago whilst slapping.

he's not sure what he uses now.

Years ago when I was first interested in Slapping I used to put an old silver jewellery ring I had around my thumb joint and use that.
It had a good weight and sounded nice. But then I found it uncomfortable when not slapping and eventually Disliked the loud click that it created.

Jazzyvee.
jacko
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Post Number: 1001
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 12:52 am:   Edit Post

It's black electrical tape. In the manner of all rock Gods, he threw it into the audience after his Perth gig last November. Possibly not as collectable as a pick or a drumstick;-)

Graeme
mrbassman42
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Username: mrbassman42

Post Number: 15
Registered: 5-2004
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 2:30 am:   Edit Post

Hi Guys,

It's Gaffer Tape often used to tape down cables on stage (well that's what we use it for mostly) I believe you guys in the states may know it as duck tape (well it's a generic form of that anyway)

Also I believe that bass in the Video is his 32 scale cocobola series II

Cheers

Mark
jsaylor
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Username: jsaylor

Post Number: 82
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:29 am:   Edit Post

What a great player. Just goes to show you, the greatist use 4 stringers.
lbpesq
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Post Number: 2040
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:33 am:   Edit Post

Actually, it is called "duct tape" - nothing to do with birds. It works well on just about anything EXCEPT ducts! Go figure. I bring a roll to every gig.

Bill, tgo
jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 716
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 9:45 am:   Edit Post

I would have thought it would pull your skin off trying to remove it of your thumb. It's very sticky indeed :-)

Jazzyvee
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 4738
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:12 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Jordan; your statement seems to suggest that you do not believe John Patitucci to be a great player. I guess I find that a bit surprising since I had assumed most bass players held him in pretty high regard. I have a DVD of Chick Corea's Elektric Band, and I'm pretty impressed; but then that may be a reflection of my own limitations as a bass player. And of course I do realize that musicians will have varying opinions of who is a "great" player and who isn't.

(Message edited by davehouck on January 22, 2007)
811952
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Post Number: 953
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 5:48 pm:   Edit Post

Actually, Bill, it was originally "Duck" tape, designed by the U.S. Military as a waterproof sealant for ammo cases! I have in my younger years been inclined to debate in favor of calling it "duct" tape, but alas, the rapid accumulation of years has broken me to the point of accepting either moniker for the more-adaptable-than-my-bass-playing-will-ever-be stuff. When I lived in Alaska, people used it to patch fabric on Piper Cubs and T-Crates...

Gaffer's tape, on the other hand (so to speak) isn't nearly as sticky and can be easily removed between scenes and setups, is usually not shiny and can be got from theater supply shops. And it costs considerably more.

John

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duct_tape
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 1002
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 12:57 am:   Edit Post

Jordan...
"Just goes to show you, the greatist use 4 stringers."
Even Jeff Berlin has climbed down off that high horse in the latest issue of Bass Player. What about the likes of Jimmy Johnson, Nathan East, Bill dickens, Steve lawson, Trip Walmsley, Steve Bailey etc. Heck, even Victor Wooten plays 5 string fretless and he's probably considered about the best of the crop these days. The trouble with your '4 strings good, anything else bad' attitude is that you close your mind to so much. Try it, you might grow to like it, then again you might not, but at the very least you should appreciate that everyone has their own way of making music. Considering Jaco Pastorius was experimenting with loops and effects pedals, it would be a fair assumption that he would have tried extra strings had he lived.

Dave, i'm surprised John didn't get a nomination for best upright player too. I saw him with Wayne Shorter and his playing was astounding.

Back on topic, When I saw Level 42 in November, it was definitely Black Electrical tape.

graeme
keurosix
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Username: keurosix

Post Number: 148
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 6:11 am:   Edit Post

Hey guys,
In Jordon's defense, I don't think he really meant anything serious in his comment. For instance, his first posts (albeit slightly opiniated) were about Alembic making ERB's (Extended range basses). I've come to recognise his writing style, and he has brought up some really good points and even some great websites for us to enjoy. Here's hoping he scores his very own Alembic bass this year so he can become a strong convert!
Kris
dannobasso
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Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 443
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 9:17 am:   Edit Post

Depending on mood, I sometimes respond to opinion posts as "who cares?" If you are playing and are inspired and have the axe of your choosing, that is a huge plus in life. Any number of strings, makes , models, amps etc, is the spice of life. But some folks only like an old family recipe. (I happen to prefer hippie sandwiches with lights)Heated exchanges are often negative in their energy (I am also guilty of this as well) and I'm trying to increase my positive vibe in the musical world. Play what you want, buy what you want, listen to what you want and try to be happy. Tape, fingers, tapping, slapping, picks, effects etc. whatever it take for you to be inspired is good for you. Try out whatever you can to further your skills, or master what you really love. Either way keep playing.
Please try to restrain from putting sand into the vasoline of life by always saying the emperor has no clothes when it doesn't really matter.
MK has touched many lives and brought a lot of joy to the bass playing world myself included. I really enjoyed watching the videos posted here. Keep them coming youtube folks! What an amazing thing to make your living playing your music on your terms for a good portion of your adult life. (And having several makers produce a model named after you!) Bravo Mr. King and those who have come after you.
(Keep in mind that he also chews gum like a maniac when he plays too!)
5stringho
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Post Number: 77
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post

Blazer,

Thankx for the links! Very informative and entertaining!

The 'Ho...
jsaylor
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Username: jsaylor

Post Number: 83
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 2:09 pm:   Edit Post

Jacko and Dave,
I'm not that close minded. I ment to say for slap bass. Anyone try to slap on E on a 5 string? Whole new ball game. However, since we are on the subject, how much is too much? Seeing as you mentioned Bill Dickens, his 7 string is tuned B E A D G C F. How high does it go before it is no longer a bass? Some argue that aslong as it has EADG it is a bass, but then, Is a Full range guitar (9-13 strings)a bass aswell? Finding your own personal style is good, but I believe alot of people believe more is better. While Jean Baudin has inspired me to play ERB with his song "Transcend" I have realized that while I like that song, it isn't something I sit down to and listen to. I personally am a Rock/Metal/Punk fan so naturally thats what I'm going to play. Maybe once I'm loaded, I can have Alembic make me a double neck guitar with 4 or 5 string bass(MAYBE...MAYBE a 6). Just remember, it's all personal style, not how big or how many guns (strings)you have.

-Jordan
inthelows
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Username: inthelows

Post Number: 324
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 4:24 pm:   Edit Post

But then again some believe size matters Jordan! hahaha ;)
"I sometimes respond to opinion posts as "who cares?" I wonder if apathy is running rampant. Just a general comment and not directed at dannobasso. The I, me, mine, syndrome whether dealing with personal posessions or one's overwhelming sense of self importance has always been around and is a difficult chain to break.
I started looking at this forum because most contributions were smacked of a little humor, a lot of knowledge, and a wealth of implied talent across the planet. By implied I mean players playing at whatever the level, style, event, and equipment and willing to talk about it. Since its difficult to assess talent via the typed page, I'll use the term implied tallent. I agree in principle that the henpecking and negative vibe takes away from the fun of exchanging ideas. What was that song...LET IT RIDE?
People trying out new styles, new equipment, and new approaches are what should be applauded here.
Mark King Rocks. There may be many pretenders to the throne, but I don't see their names in the spotlight. The ones pushing the envelope and sticking it out seem to get rewarded by public acceptance and recognition, after years of sweating it out.
It is humbling to know that there is so much more to learn, if you're willing to listen. And maybe there is some truth to the "Peter Principle" where-by you go as far as you can go until you prove your own incompetence.(short version)
What's my point. Say what you what, be considerate and patient, not everone's at your level. Mark King Rocks. If it's a who care's moment, look in the mirror and ask the question again.
NLP
dannobasso
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Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 444
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 8:42 pm:   Edit Post

The who cares is not really apathy. It is a response to a negative post trying to chip away at an artist or individual. Meaning, why put something out there if it does not enrich the community here? But that can be viewed as a negative. So, I'll end with an Irish joke.
Paddy limps into the bar and says to Michael the bartender, "Give me a double sez I, I'm just back frum a battle wit' da missus!"
"Go on so" says Michael.
Well, Paddy replies, "When I saw her last she was coming ta me on her hands and knees wringing her hands! "
Thats a bit of a change fer ya Paddy! sez Michael."What did she say to ya?

"Get out frum under da bed ya great fat chicken!" Said she!
olieoliver
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Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 1063
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 9:19 pm:   Edit Post

Mark is most definitely an awesome player, thanks for the video links.
After talking to Susan a few weeks ago she mentioned something about Mark using a very light gauge set of strings on his basses. Iíve always played 45-105 on my 4ís and 45-130 on my 5ís. My conversation with Susan got me to thinking about trying a lighter set, (on my Thumb Bass first in case I didnít like them), and so far I really like them.

(Hey Danno, checked out the bands web site, very cool the myspace pix were intense too. If you guys ever come DFW way, let me know.)
davehouck
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Post Number: 4742
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, January 23, 2007 - 9:40 pm:   Edit Post

Kris wrote, "I don't think he really meant anything serious in his comment ... I've come to recognise his writing style".

Thanks Kris, it appears that I took the comment a bit too literally.

And Kris further wrote, "For instance, his first posts .. were about Alembic making ERB's (Extended range basses)."

I had completely forgotten that!

Danno wrote, "Heated exchanges are often negative in their energy ... and I'm trying to increase my positive vibe in the musical world."

I like that!! Thanks!
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 1004
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 1:08 am:   Edit Post

Hey Jordan. I didn't mean to suggest that you were close minded, merely trying to point out that there are a great many extended range players out there (and like Dave, i'd forgotten that you came on this forum seeking ERB opinions in the first place). No offence was intended.
I've got to pick you up on one thing though.. I regularly slap down to low B, both fretted and fretless(which gives an interesting feel to slap, just listen to Bakithi Kumala on 'you can call me Al').

Graeme
paulman
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Username: paulman

Post Number: 177
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Wednesday, January 24, 2007 - 7:18 am:   Edit Post

I discovered Gaffers tape about 9 months ago, now we don't gig without it! It's much more manageable than Duc(t or k) tape.
jsaylor
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Username: jsaylor

Post Number: 84
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 4:09 am:   Edit Post

Jacko,
What guages do you use to slap? I use 130-45 and the 130 seems a bit big. Any string reconemdations?
-Jordan
keavin
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Post Number: 1028
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 4:14 am:   Edit Post



(Message edited by keavin on January 25, 2007)
keavin
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Post Number: 1029
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 4:15 am:   Edit Post

for more "meat" when thumping i'de recomend heavy gauge strings.....the fatter strings gives you more ass (bottom)to your sound!
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 1008
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 25, 2007 - 4:20 am:   Edit Post

Hi Jordan.
i'm currently using DR 45 - 125s red devils and Peacock Blues. Before the last string change i was using their Marcus Miller fat beams, same guage but they sounded a bit better for slap.

graeme
damonuk
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Username: damonuk

Post Number: 4
Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 8:28 am:   Edit Post

Hi all,
Just thought I would let you know that I made this documentary. It's good that it's life has been extended by You Tube. I made it at the end of 95 beginning of 96. Being a documentary film maker and a lover of slap bass it was good to make a film about Mark. He's very gifted player. It's a shame he hasn't been more prolific in recent years. Anyway, maybe one day I'll make another film about him - you never know...
olieoliver
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Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 1082
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 8:40 am:   Edit Post

Very cool Damon, nice work too. Where would one get a copy of this documentary on DVD?

Olie.
damonuk
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Post Number: 5
Registered: 1-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 9:43 am:   Edit Post

HI Olie,
Thanks for your message. I tried to get a DVD off the ground a while ago because I got so many requests but I ended up losing money in trying to do so and got some resistence from certain quarters. So for the meantime it just isn't available. Sorry about that.
Cheers D
inthelows
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Username: inthelows

Post Number: 332
Registered: 11-2006
Posted on Tuesday, January 30, 2007 - 5:37 pm:   Edit Post

Very nice work Damon! As far as we know Mark may be saving the best for last( or near last) hahaha.
Too bad 'bout the dvd. That would be nice stuff indeed. Good luck with your next adventure.
NLP

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