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nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 1
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 4:06 pm:   Edit Post

Forgive me if this topic has been reveiled earlier, but since I've never had the pleasure of playing through an Alembic preamp, I am curious about the difference in tone shaping.
Are the basic tone shaping similar with Bright and Deep switched off?
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 5208
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 6:12 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Henrik, welcome to the board. The basic tone shaping is the same, but the tone isn't. The F-1X has a single tube stage; the F-2B is two tube stages. F-1X sound in "cleaner"; the F-2B has more of a "tube" sound. Personally, I like them both. And yes, there have been previous threads discussing the differences between the two preamps. Our board has a fairly nice "search" feature in the top right corner of the page; you should be able to find some threads that may be helpful.
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 685
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Sunday, July 01, 2007 - 8:22 pm:   Edit Post

Henrik, welcome to the club.

drr
nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 2
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 3:13 am:   Edit Post

Thank you for the warm welcome. You have been digging into my account to find my first name, I see :-)
I've tried to use the Search utility, but it only delivers a "bad request" from my searches.
I guess it's "f-1x f-2b" in the seach field combined with the "and" option, right?! I also tried "f-1x, f-2b", but with the same result.
I'll give it one more shot.
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 5216
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:56 pm:   Edit Post

Just guessing; are cookies being blocked?
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 689
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 9:03 pm:   Edit Post

I don't call people by their usernames on this forum. I go to their listed profile and use their given name if I don't already know it.


During in person communication I also don't call folks by nicknames I never have.

"Digging into my account" ?

David
funkyjazzjunky
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Username: funkyjazzjunky

Post Number: 5
Registered: 5-2007
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 8:43 am:   Edit Post

David is correct, we address each other by given name so please do not be offended.
adriaan
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Username: adriaan

Post Number: 1544
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, July 05, 2007 - 8:47 am:   Edit Post

You might try using Google for your searches - it's probably faster than the site's own search function ...
nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 3
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:28 pm:   Edit Post

I'm not offended by being addressed by my given name, on the contrary. But this is the first forum to do that, so i was a little surprised.
Not many "dig" into other users accounts to achieve information about them.

And by the way, I got the search engine working.
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 698
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 12:42 pm:   Edit Post

Nordskov. What you are describing as "digging into your users account" is what I am under the impression is checking a profile.

If I am wrong, please correct me; but it is my understanding that the profiles here are for public access by members so we can find out more about our fellow club members. That is why some folks publish a great deal on their profiles, others not so much.

When it is termed "digging into your account to achieve information about them" makes me think you believe this may be some sort of clandestine, inappropriate, unsanctioned action. It has been my experience that confidential information on this forum is kept as such. .

So, with all of that being said, Nordskov, I will not "dig into your account again." Pardon me for the real, or perceived, intrusion.

57basstra

(Message edited by 57basstra on July 16, 2007)
speicky
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Username: speicky

Post Number: 226
Registered: 3-2005
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 2:24 pm:   Edit Post

well... I think Henrik is positively impressed by the fact that we are taking the effort and time to look up personal information before responding, because we take care of new members as opposed to just posting "this has been discussed a thousand times before, newbie, use the search feature or leave !"

...and nothing else. I have read enough entries in other forums, they are just sick sometimes. Perhaps Henrik used wrong expressions, just like I did a few times by mistake. I've been called a bad acid guy, because I posted some comment and the words I wrote did not fit the intention I had in mind, not at all.

Sorry, I do not want to act as moder, just share my experience and my point of view.

As for tone shaping between the two devices, I have no idea at all...

Christian
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 699
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Monday, July 16, 2007 - 7:51 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks for interpreting the "digging into my user account" as being a phrase of admiration. I guess my senses of perception and reality are way off the mark.

So this sign
: ) is a thumbs up, huh?

Again, let me apologize to all concerned for any offenses.

If this apology offends, please, let me apologize for it as well.

And so on....
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 1259
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 1:38 am:   Edit Post

It may be that Henrik doesn't realise that his profile is available to all club members simply by clicking his username in the left hand column.

Graeme
nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 4
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post

Christian, you're right on the nail, - and Graeme, you hit your thumb, I know exactly what's public available in my profile.
Sometimes expressions get mixed when english isn't your primary language.
So David, no offense. But I like your humble attitude ;-) (happy face with a fly in the eye)
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 700
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Tuesday, July 17, 2007 - 4:37 pm:   Edit Post

Henrik, I too recently asked about the differences between the FX-1 and F2-B.

I have a feeling we have a great deal in common.

Hope weather where you live is not quite as miserably hot, humid and with no appreciable rainfall as we have had here in these parts.

I sincerely hope you have a wonderful Alembic experience.

David
nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 5
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 9:03 am:   Edit Post

David, in Denmark we have had the most rainfull winter, spring and first part of summer ever.
We hardly got any snow during the winter, only rain and lots of it.
Right now in our summer holiday the temperature range between 15 and 20 degrees celsius. You wanna switch? Be my guest. I would love to come to Tennessee :-)

As for the Alembic experience I have to disappoint you.
I don't know if you can find Alembic products in Denmark. I have never seen one.
So I don't have any experience at all!
The reason I asked about the difference is that I plan building a preamp myself. (I hope I won't be expelled from this community by saying that...)
It's not a difficult projekt. You can find the schematics for the F-2B on the internet, but not the F-1X. So it's gonna be the F-2B.

For now I'm playing a Fender P. through a G-K 1001-RBII and an Ampeg SVT410HE.
I came across Alembic when I was checking the gear of Nathan Watts. He play the bass on Stevie Wonders "I wish". A fabulous bass line and an outstanding sound. Dry, compressed and a creamy distortion.
In an interview in Bass Player he mentions that he used a Fender J. through an Alembic on that track.
I just have to try it.

Henrik
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 701
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Wednesday, July 18, 2007 - 10:40 am:   Edit Post

Henrik, your English is superb.

I have tried learning a second language (Spanish) and have not really been able to discipline myself so that much progress can be made.

Weather-wise, we had a very late winter/early spring freeze and it killed (or stunted) most of the fruit trees, plants, hardwoods. Then this summer has been so hot and dry that most of the farmers and gardeners around here have pretty much written off the year.

The folks on this site will help you any way they can. I am not a technical person in the least, so I will be no assistance on your projects; but I will be following with great interest.

There are a good many Alembecians on your side of the Pond who are very active in buying, selling and trading guitars, basses, electronics, etc. There are also used Alembics posted for sale by members here on a semi-regular basis. I hope to one day have the funds for a custom to my specs straight from Calif.

I hope you get a chance to try (and own) an Alembic bass someday. Ebay is a place to look, however be careful there and make sure you ABSOLUTELY know with whom you are dealing. You can get burned on ebay 'cause I did once.

I Play through a GK 700RBII and an Ampeg SVTVR. (I back that up when necessary with an old Sunn Coliseum with two 18 speakers). I have not really been doing a lot of heavy playing in the past few years, really only using the lighter rigs. Don't know what kind of bass your are playing, but it sound like it may be a Fender. I like the Fender basses.

If you get a chance, look for an Alembic. I really think the Epic Alembics are very, very nice instruments and carry a huge sound. They are every bit an Alembic bass as are all of these custom works of art.

Please, keep us all posted on your progress and if you have electronics questions or just want to bounce off ideas, please post them because there are lots of folks here who a great deal of knowledge and expertise and are always willing to share, explain and help whenever possible.

Good luck and God bless!
nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 6
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:50 am:   Edit Post

I play a Fender Precision (Fender P) and temporarily a Fender Jazz Bass (Fender J).
What kind of cabinet do you use?
I was at all seas choosing a cabinet for the G-K, but finally got up with the Ampeg.
I kind of regret buing that cab cause I realize I can build one a lot cheaper.
I found a guy in Laconia, New Hampshire, Mr. William Fitzmaurice who sell plans for a variety of PA and bass cabinets.
They look very ambitious.
I'll let you know of the progress of my F-2B project.

www.billfitzmaurice.com

Henrik

(Message edited by nordskov on July 19, 2007)
57basstra
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Username: 57basstra

Post Number: 702
Registered: 4-2005
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 8:06 am:   Edit Post

With the GK I have a 2x10 cab with horn on top and 1x15 on the bottom. I like the GK head because you can bi-amp and really get a growl off the woofer and keep the highs crisp out of the horns.

on the Ampeg I have a 4x10 Classic. I really love the sound of these two amps running together, with the modern snap of the GK and the vintage thump of the Ampeg tubes.

My rig is also something of a 'Frankenstein' at times. I have the Sunn with 2 cabintes with 18s in each one. I blew the originals long ago and currently am running Peavey BW in those.

I also have an old Fender Tube PA running through an old Sunn scoop cabinet with 2x15 in that one. Another rig is a Hartke with a 2x10 and 4x10 and various smaller amps and confrigurations.

I also play guitar (I am a bas player first) and have several guitar rigs including a Fender Deluxe reverb.

I would really like to try out an F-2b and a superfilter. I too have a 1984 Fender P and a 2005 Fender J with the S-1 switching along with a 1972 (I think) Fender Tele bass (all are American models).

There are occasional lively discussions about the Fender basses around here, but I believe most players respect them (if not tolerate them) because these guys paved the way for the electric bass as we know it. (I myself like to play different instruments. Each one seems to bring out something else in my playing or mindset.)

Have a great weekend all!

(Message edited by 57basstra on July 19, 2007)
tbrannon
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Username: tbrannon

Post Number: 503
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post

Henrik,

If you decide to build one of the BFM cabs, please post some results or email me off board. If you use the search function you'll find at least 1 or 2 threads about the BFM cabs.

Toby
nordskov
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Username: nordskov

Post Number: 7
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Thursday, July 19, 2007 - 2:31 pm:   Edit Post

David, you most certainly have a variety of gear. Wasn't it hard to descide what to bring along on a gig? :-)
I too like the punch of the G-K, although i play rock.
I did try other heads like Ashdown, Eden (Nemesis), EBS and Behringer, but none of them had that G-K snap. (Don't laugh at the Behringer. I have the BX4500H and it's a mean machine. You can't get better bang for the buck, $300)
I haven't tried the bi-amp 'cause the Ampeg cab isn't bi-amp-able. But that will be changed in near future.
It's because of the snap I want the soft sounding, tube driven F-2B.

Thanks, Toby.
I think I have read almost everything about BFM available on the internet. I am very thorough in my research on new topics.
I only need to order the plans.
He gets thumbs down by the tech-nerds and thumbs up by his users.
I'll go by the active users who have tried the equipment.
It's not only a new bass cab I'm looking for, but also a whole PA for my band.
I'm very keen on the Omni 10 for bass cab and a combination of DR250 and Titan 39 for PA.
The only problem is the availability of Eminence speakers in Denmark.
I could buy from Germany or England but at a higher price than USA.
Import from USA are 30% in toll and taxes, plus freight (toll and taxes on that too).
Add 40% to the american prices and you have danish prices. (That's another way to say "we don't want to do business with others than ourselves").

Henrik

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