| Author | Message | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 143 Registered: 11-2006 |
Hello, with my Alembic F1-X preamp and Yamaha P 5000S poweramp, I hesitate between two system: 1/ SWR Goliath III + SWR Triad http://www.thomann.de/fr/swr_goliath_iii_4_10.htm http://www.thomann.de/fr/swr_triad_ebassbox.htm with the Triad power is limitate to 400W. 2/ Loudspeakers of soundstem like EV, Yamaha or Peavey: http://www.thomann.de/fr/ev_eliminator_de.htm I know that both system are used, I used personally and actually one Gallien Krueger 4X10" + one Peavey soundsystem 1X15" + horn. Not here to speak about price or weight. Your opinion and experience ? Thanx. ;o) | ||
| rami
Senior Member Username: rami Post Number: 687 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi Pierre-Yves, When I shop for speakers, I shop EDEN exclusively. The 410XLT or 410XST are simply the best I've ever heard. Rami | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 144 Registered: 11-2006 |
Thanx Rami, anybody else ? | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 848 Registered: 2-2005 |
Hello Pierre-Yves, There have been several threads talking about speaker cabinets used by club members. If you search on "speakers" and "opinion" or "rig" you should see several recent threads on the subject. What most of the threads show is we forum members use just about every brand and model of speaker that is available. Each of us purchased the speakers based on the sound we want to hear. I use Bag End 18's and 2x10's for my main stage rig. Others use Eden, EBS, Bergantino, Epiphany, Schoeder, Acme, etc. As far as speaker sizes it is the same. There are people using 10", 12", 15" and 18" speakers in different combinations to get the sound they are looking for. Keith | ||
| glocke
Advanced Member Username: glocke Post Number: 248 Registered: 9-2002 |
I use bag end 15's. SB10 and SBD10. They sound very crisp and well defined. If youve got loads of cash, and do like the sound of 2 15's check out the hardtruckers bass cab. www.hardtruckers.com | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 145 Registered: 11-2006 |
Ok, thanks. I will precise my question and my doubt on choice: I hesitate between soundsystem speakers (sono)and standard bass speaker cabinets. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1778 Registered: 3-2004 |
It probably depends on what your situation is. If I were in a rock band looking for a live bas sound, I'd stick with bass cabinets. The PA cabinets work fine for some types of music or for multiple-duty use. After all, it is not uncommon for a live rig to consist of a preamp feeding the mixing board and all the sound projecting through the PA system. Also, you can get bass speaker cabs that have a "voice" to add to the color of your tone. PA speakers should be much more neutral. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 146 Registered: 11-2006 |
PA cabinets should be more neutral ? Ok it's interresting for me. My project is a Stanley Clarke tribute, I need to have the more proximal sound, but I have doubt on SWR Goliath III speakers. In the 80's I had PA EV speakers but It was to loud, to much weight... My preamp will not feed the mixing board, but my own PA system: Yamaha P 5000 S and two cabinets 2X15" + horn. | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 849 Registered: 2-2005 |
Yes PA cabinets should be more neutral in their effect on the sound. PA speakers are designed to reproduce a wide range of instruments and vocals so they will attempt to keep a flat response across the frequency range. Bass speakers on the other hand are generally designed for reproducing bass guitars. The manufacturer will voice these cabinets to create a unique sound. Some are designed for a flat response others try to emphasize the low mid frequencies and so on. This is why one 2x10 cabinet will sound different in tone when compared to another company's 2x10 cabinet. If you are trying to reproduce Stanley's tone then you need to look at running the neck pickup into an F1X and two 18" speakers. The bridge pickup would then go to an F1X and two 4X10 cabinets. He also feeds the bridge pickup into a 2x12 Fender Twin or Marshall combo amp. I believe he is currently using SWR cabinets however he has used other brands in the past. I also think the 2x12 combo has a big effect on his live tone when run into the FOH. It gives him that gritty tube overdrive that can be mixed over the cleaner tone of the F1X. So to answer you question I think you should be looking at bass speaker cabinets if you are trying to reproduce Stanley's live sound. Keith | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2006 |
Keith, many thank's for the time passed on your good answer! I have, for the "gritty" sound, a Roland Jazz Chorus 160. I dont' have a series I but a Signature, I don't configure exactly like Stanley but, my actually sound is really near of him. | ||
| worldfamousandy
Intermediate Member Username: worldfamousandy Post Number: 109 Registered: 3-2004 |
My F-1X/QSC PLX 2402/Schroeder UL410 sounds great at any volume, and it's not too bad to move, either. It's the nicest rig I have ever had, and I have never heard a rig that I thought sounded better. Andy Calder www.andycalderbass.com | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 956 Registered: 6-2002 |
My F-1X/SF-2/QSC PLX 2402/ Mesa boogie Powerhouse 2x10 and Mesa Boogie Powerhouse 1x15 and I'm very happy with it's sound it is very Hi-Fi and has power and clarity.Like you I use the signature bass and it is very easy to get close to stanley sound. I would like to try an 18" Cab and also a 4x10 to see what the difference in sound is. But that's for a later day. Maybe when I get back on the road I can ask for something like that and h ear what it sounds like. Jazzyvee I also tried running my F-1X high out into my fender twin it brightened the sound up but it would be too much equipment for me to carry to a gig. Jazzyvee | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 150 Registered: 11-2006 |
Thanx Jazzyvee ! You don't have a lot of "roadies" for you ? | ||
| rami
Senior Member Username: rami Post Number: 688 Registered: 6-2002 |
I realize that this may be beside the point, but I recently purchased a pair of EDEN D112XLT cabinets. It makes for a mini stack that can handle 500 watts RMS. The sound is just spectacular. Also very portable. I've always thought of EDEN as the Alembic of Bass amplification; a small company that LISTENS to what Bass players want and makes everything by hand to highest quality. Like Alembic, one try made me a believer for life. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 151 Registered: 11-2006 |
I was looking too for Eden 410 ... just a "little" expensive ... ;o) | ||
| rami
Senior Member Username: rami Post Number: 689 Registered: 6-2002 |
I currently own a D410XLT as well. It was expensive to be sure, but so are Alembics. Quality is always worth the price. | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 629 Registered: 3-2004 |
Epifani, Accugroove and Acme. They all do great things. IMHO | ||
| bkbass
Intermediate Member Username: bkbass Post Number: 147 Registered: 11-2003 |
www.dr.bassllc.com Is also a very good choice for the money. I have a little bit of everything. Eden,Ampeg,SWR,Trace,Acoustic,Traynor,EV,Crown,Alembic,Demeter and four DR.Bass Cabs of various designs. Marc is awesome to work with and is an acomplished Bass player himself. His product works and is reasonably priced. One on my custom cabinets is so accurate and pure with the series 2 electronics that I had to learn how to play all over again when using it. Marc listens to his customers needs. If you can dream it up he can make it. I have all the aforementioned equipment because I like the signature sound of those companies voicing/ coloration. As I have matured as a player and upgraded the Alembics I find more and more the need to have cabinets that will give musically honest sound. I'm sure their are others out there but for me Dr.Bass let's the Alembics sound come through. Oh... also there is Dr.Bass Cabs(LOL!!!) | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 156 Registered: 11-2006 |
Thank's bkbass, BUT your link does'nt work AND I recall you this thread is not to choice a loudspeaker but to understand difference between PA cabinets sound and bass cabinet sound. And after this comprehensive thread, I will do my choice. Bsee has well understood. Good link: http://www.drbasscabs.com/ Very very interresting ... good price, good power, 3 way enclosure like I like, good wight, good .. just I don't try it because I live in Switzerland. And the price will go higher with carriage cost... (Message edited by pierreyves on September 13, 2007) | ||
| bkbass
Intermediate Member Username: bkbass Post Number: 148 Registered: 11-2003 |
pierreyves,thank you for correcting the link, I'm at work and was in a hurry at the time My appologies to all.I forgot to mention my Bag End cabs as well. Ok,let's see... My T-118 EV's are commercial PA subs that I use with my two D210XLT Edens.In the past I have used Cerwin Vega B-36 folded horns with 2x15's for the top. Like any thing it depends on the application. I find PA subs to have better performance,power handling and lower frequencies than the oftimes slightly more expensive bass amp subs.The reason I mentioned Dr.Bass is that the company also makes PA speakers.My 18" dr.bass sub is a PA style sub most closely resembling EAW's LA series single 18.In fact I believe it was Marc's design to begin with as he did make cabinets for them at one time. Bag End also blurs the transition between PA and MI cabs. So it's been my good fortune to be able to sonically blend PA bottoms with bass amp tops.I have found the reverse to be more difficult as the expotential horns are always on (no attenuation) and clicking. The crossovers aren't really set up for MI. Yet whole bands sound great through them/accoustic guitar etc. go figure. Since cartage fees have to be a consideration, Neo speakers should be factored in the equation. Just my 2cents worth. | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 753 Registered: 12-2004 |
Bag End. Many here have and love them; and it is what is in the Alembic showroom. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 159 Registered: 11-2006 |
Hello Barry, could you please contact Dr Bass, I'm not able to contact by mail: <drbass@drbasscabs.com>: host smtp.where.secureserver.net[208.109.80.149] said: 553 Attack detected from pool 193.252.23.111. <http://unblock.secureserver.net/?ip=193.252.23.*> (in reply to RCPT TO command) ----- The following addresses had permanent fatal errors ----- <drbass@drbasscabs.com> (reason: 554 The message was rejected because it contains prohibited virus or spam content) ----- Transcript of session follows ----- ... while talking to smtp.secureserver.net.: >>> DATA <<< 554 The message was rejected because it contains prohibited virus or spam content 554 5.0.0 Service unavailable and ask them what's happend ? I have no viruses on my mail... or try you from USA to ask the following message: Hello, I learned your name on Alembic forum ! Your price and products are very interesting. Sorry for my bad english! I will need, for 6-7 month, of a bass cabinets 3 way, 15" + 10" + horn, 600-800 Watts, 105 DB, 4 ohms. The objective is to give a "Stanley sound" to my Alembic tanley Clarke signature deluxe. I have Alembic F1-X preamp and Yamaha p 5000 S 2 X 700W @ 4ohms. The same questions for a 4 X 10" + tweeter cabinet, 800W, 105 DB, 4 ohms ? What may you to propose ? What about price ? Shipping to 1243 geneva Switzerland ? Best regards. Thank's and best regards Barry! PS: your mailbox is not available...So I must write this here. | ||
| 82daion
Member Username: 82daion Post Number: 92 Registered: 5-2005 |
Bag End is my favorite-I've been using an S-15D for a while, and have a Q10X-D that might be mine soon. I've found that they offer a good balance between vintage warmth and hi-fi. | ||
| rockbassist
Intermediate Member Username: rockbassist Post Number: 111 Registered: 8-2005 |
I have been using Gallien Krueger heads and cabs for years. I like them but it there is still something missing from my tone. It seems that every time I hear the tone that I want, the bass player is using Eden or EBS. I am considering switching but according to Eden's website the closest dealer to me is 75 miles away. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 161 Registered: 11-2006 |
Barry ??? Ok, you are at work !! ;o) The closest retailer for all loudspeakers we are speaking here is 8 hours and a half of travel away!! ;o) | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1785 Registered: 3-2004 |
Kevin, there are a lot of guys that really like Eden and also a lot of Eden showing up on the resale market. If I knew what I wanted there, I would watch eBay/CraigsList or give Beaver a call at Bass Central for a new one. | ||
| worldfamousandy
Intermediate Member Username: worldfamousandy Post Number: 110 Registered: 3-2004 |
I am about 18 hours from a bass shop that sells EBS. That may be the closest Eden dealer, too. Sometimes I have to bite the bullet and fly somewhere to check out new gear. Eden stuff sounds great, but I have noticed that they don't produce the spl's that comparable equipment can kick out. I suppose that may or may not be an important criterion, depending on what sort of gigs you do. Something to consider, anyway... Andy Calder www.andycalderbass | ||
| bkbass
Intermediate Member Username: bkbass Post Number: 149 Registered: 11-2003 |
pierre, I've contacted Marc at dr.bass to inform him of your needs. I've asked him to look at the website here for the particulars. I'm sure between him and I we can get you the info you need. I do know he makes an all birch single 15" with an 8" mid and horn. 4 ohms I don't think will be a problem. It is best to speak with him directly his phone number is 843-278 5227. I hope this helps you on your sonic quest.His cabs are one of the best out there. I have four and will be buying more.Shhh! Don't want the misses to know! | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 164 Registered: 11-2006 |
Many Thanx Barry ... I can't phone, my english is bad, just fort write ... I need a valid e-mail !! ;o) | ||
| rockbassist
Intermediate Member Username: rockbassist Post Number: 112 Registered: 8-2005 |
My concern with buying Eden isn't so much having to travel to make the purchase. It's having to travel to get repairs made or swap for another head if mine has a problem. The one good thing about using GK is that I have a friend who works for them. Last year I had a problem with my head and he called my local retailer and had them do a swap for me. I won't make major purchases off of ebay, Craig's list or any other online site unless the seller is local. A few years ago I bought a bass on ebay that was advertised as all original. When it arrived I found that a bridge saddle had been replaced and it had also had the frets replaced. The neck binding was cracked at every fret. That was the last time I bought anything off of ebay. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 167 Registered: 11-2006 |
buy instrument on e-bay is a non sense. If I can have Dr Bass speakers (because shipping is very expensive, about 750$ for 2 cabinets), my choice will go to SWR Goliath III and Triad, as mentionned because Thomann compagny in Germany deliver your order at home, with 3 years of full warranty, come take at home if you have problem and they have the best prices in Europe but the choice is reduced, for me, not what you have in USA. A testimonial of SWR owner ? Clarkee ? ;o))) | ||
| rockbassist
Intermediate Member Username: rockbassist Post Number: 113 Registered: 8-2005 |
I tried SWR, I was not impressed with the tone at all. At one point they were a division of Fender. I will eventually buy Eden or EBS! If you want to talk about testimonials Marcus Miller who most bass players agree has the best tone ever uses EBS. I have an EBS retailer less than 10 miles from me but a 300 watt head is almost $3,000. I haven't decided if I want to spend the extra money | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1341 Registered: 10-2002 |
For what it's worth, i'm using EBS neo cabinets. I've recently swapped my 2x12 for mike pisanek's Eden 210XST to see how much it might fill out the bottom end. So far in rehearsals the only difference I've found is the weight. Time Eden started making neo speakers methinks. I think I'll be getting my EBS cab back before next weekend's gig. graeme | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2006 |
Barry ?? I send one more time e-mail to Dr Bass ... always the same answer .. or notification ... | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2006 |
Barry, Marc Serio answered me by mail but I cannot write him, he has a protection not conventional for mail ?? I quote: "The SMTP Server program <drbass@drbasscabs.com>: host smtp.where.secureserver.net[208.109.80.149] said: 553 Attack detected from pool 193.252.23.111. <http://unblock.secureserver.net/?ip=193.252.23.*> (in reply to RCPT TO command)" incredible ... please say to Marc to change somnthing on his smtp | ||
| georgie_boy
Advanced Member Username: georgie_boy Post Number: 297 Registered: 8-2005 |
Have to agree with the EDEN suggestion. I heard the rig that Jacko used, He had borrowed Mike Pisaneck's 2 X 2x10" cabs, and plugged on to en Eden Navigator and QSC system----------------------WOW!!! Just my $0.02 worth G | ||
| kmh364
Senior Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 2210 Registered: 9-2003 |
FWIW, I've got two Eden 210XST's (4ohms ea. originally to take advantage of the Eden WT-550's ability to deliver massive power @ a 2ohm parallel load)) cabs. While I haven't done a side-by-side comparo, I've beeen told that they outperform a single 410XST when used as a pair. Either way, they sound great and can dissipate a lot of clean power. Good luck in your quest! Cheers, Kevin | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 191 Registered: 11-2006 |
thank's for your answers ! | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1364 Registered: 10-2002 |
Here's an interesting thought. I recently swapped my EBS 2x12 neo for one of Mike Pisanek's eden 210xst cabs. To be perfectly honest, neither of us could hear much of a difference. maybe a tiny bit more low end thud using the eden with my ebs 410, perhaps a touch more high end definition for mike but not enough to make a difference when gigging. needless to say we've swapped back. The next experiment will be to build two stacks out of the 4 cabinets. Should give us 1200watts per channel. Enough to give even th emost arrogant guitarist pause for thought;-) Graeme p.s. George - you can hear my full EBS rig in Falkirk on the 23rd November and again on the 27th December. Hope you can make one of those. | ||
| somatic
Member Username: somatic Post Number: 58 Registered: 11-2003 |
Pierre-Yves, I have a very strong preference for quality PA style rigs. I find they're much clearer, generally go louder and deeper for the same sort of money as a bass cab. I dial in the frequency response and any distortion via the preamp and feel this gives me more flexibility and ability to sit well in the mix and be heard clearly, but not be too prominent. Poweramp is a Yamaha P7000S and my speakers are custom with an 18" RCF crossing to a 15" coax, biamped. Shipping from the US might be expensive, so perhaps it may be best to look at European brands such as Markbass or Tech-Systems. I have no personal experience with them but Markbass is definitely flavour of the month on Talkbass. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 193 Registered: 11-2006 |
somatic, what is your preference ? EV, Yamaha, other ? Markbass is to expensive for me... Maybe I will mix PA & bass cabs ? Thank's for your post ... I LOVE Australia... | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 971 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have seen a dual; 18" 800w cab for sale and was wondering if that would be good or would the bottom end be overpowering? It looks like a PA sub cabinet. Jazzyvee | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 972 Registered: 6-2002 |
I have seen a dual; 18" 800w EV cab for sale and was wondering if that would be a good addition to my rig or would the bottom end be overpowering? It looks like a PA sub cabinet. Jazzyvee | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1367 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jazzy. I think you'd need to pair it with another cabinet for the highs. In my experience (which was only for about 6 months ownership) an 18" doesn't move fast enough to cope with fast playing or the top end. I'm guessing you're talking about the EV Eliminator KW sub. According to their manual, it's frequency response is only 40hz - 300hz so it would only function as a sub. For a better range, I'd consider either the EDEN d410XST - 30hz - 14Khz or the EBS NEO-212 - 40hz - 18Khz. personally, I don't think I'd ever want to use PA speakers to reproduce my Bass. For reference, these are the usual tunings for a 6 string bass... B E A D G C Natural 30.938 41.250 55.000 73.333 97.777 130.369 Even-tempered 30.868 41.203 55.000 73.416 97.999 130.812 Graeme (Message edited by jacko on September 24, 2007) (Message edited by jacko on September 24, 2007) | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 196 Registered: 11-2006 |
I prefer 15" for sub et 10" for high with tweeter. Jazzyvee was speaking about "good addition" for his 18" EV. | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1368 Registered: 10-2002 |
The biggest problem I have at gigs relates to very 'boomy' rooms so adding a sub wouldn't help at all. For example, yesterday I found I was using my Apex Bass exciter to 'dial out' the really low end to try to control the boom. graeme | ||
| bigbadbill
Advanced Member Username: bigbadbill Post Number: 398 Registered: 10-2003 |
Rami, how do you rate the Eden 1x12s as compared to the Aguilar GS112s (whichI have). Do you have any comments on the difference in tone(assuming you've tried the Aguilars of course)? | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1369 Registered: 10-2002 |
oops double post (Message edited by jacko on September 24, 2007) | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1370 Registered: 10-2002 |
Watch those Edens Shaun. They weigh a fair bit which wouldn't do your back any good. Your best bet would be EBS or Markbass Neo cabinets. graeme | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 975 Registered: 6-2002 |
You are right Pierre I was thinking about an addition to my setup but as Jacko points out it wouldn't really add much to the higher frequencies. I'm getting influenced by Stanleys 2 big bens for his bass rig. But then he has a roadie too lol. Then maybe I should be looking for a full range cab as I already have a 1x15 and a 2x10 so I'll stay passive on this thread and read and learn... :-) Jazzyvee | ||
| somatic
Member Username: somatic Post Number: 61 Registered: 11-2003 |
Pierre-Yves said; somatic, what is your preference ? EV, Yamaha, other ? Markbass is to expensive for me... Maybe I will mix PA & bass cabs ? Thank's for your post ... I LOVE Australia... It's hard for me to give recommendations as I don't know what you have to select from locally, and I usually buy speakers secondhand, and then measure and modify them to suit my needs. I've got the gear and experience to do it. General recomendations are JBL and Yamaha, especially 3 way units. Yorkville PA can be very good too. There are a number of great manufacturers of speaker drive units in EU, like 18Sound, Ciare, Beyma, BMS/Coda, RCF, PHL and Precision Devices amongst others. I've used drivers from all these brands and many exceed my reference standards which have traditionally been JBL, and are usually cheaper. Someone in EU must be manufacturing with these drivers; perhaps checking Pro sound forums more local would produce some leads. The thread I've linked at the bottom should give an indication about what I'm suggesting to try. jazzyvee said; "I have seen a dual; 18" 800w EV cab for sale and was wondering if that would be a good addition to my rig or would the bottom end be overpowering? It looks like a PA sub cabinet." Depends how you do it. Active crossover and biamp it and it'd likely add a sensible amount of low end, whilst taking the load off whatever you use above it. Small speakers excursing a lot to produce low frequecies create more distortion. The enclosure you mention is most likely a PA sub as I've never heard of a 2x18 bass enclosure. Aslo, the PA manufacturers give far more accurate specs than the bass cab manufacturers (Acme is a notable exception), mainly because they need to provide arctitctural specs that need to be accurate and repeatable, and PA guys often have good measuring gear, so the manufacturers will get called on an BS specs they produce. IME, musos tend to be a bit tribal with gear so they'll beleive anything a favoured manufacturer says, and few havw any sort of technical understanding at all. This I know from long experience as I've fixed a lot of gear and heard the bizarre ideas given about what the faults are. For those in the US, this thread might prove interesting if you haven't already seen it. It's long, but read the first couple of pages for basic info, and the last couple for gigging experience and reviews. If they were available locally, I'd snatch up a couple myself. http://www.talkbass.com/forum/showthread.php?t=336504 | ||
| somatic
Member Username: somatic Post Number: 62 Registered: 11-2003 |
Apologies for the spelling; I shouldn't type in the dark. | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 197 Registered: 11-2006 |
Thanx for your information...Carvin LS1523 is THE system I need, in my mind ... but I cannot read 44 pages from talkbass, my first language is french ... I wrote to the swiss retailer, german is mad of expensive ... | ||
| bigbadbill
Advanced Member Username: bigbadbill Post Number: 399 Registered: 10-2003 |
Hi Graeme I know the Eden cabs are generally heavy (the 4x10 etc, forget it....even the 210XLT is beyond my comfort zone now), but thought the single 1x12s might not be too bad (my Aguilars are around 40lb each and are fine). I've considered the Markbass cabs but haven't been impressed with the sound of them, although I'm aware that they are supposed to sound their best in a gig setting and I've only tried them in a shop. Haven't tried the EBS neo stuff yet, although I did play my Sei bass through an EBS rig when I bought it and I loved the sound. Unfortunately having bought the Sei bass I can't afford the rig at the moment! | ||
| pierreyves
Intermediate Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 198 Registered: 11-2006 |
Eden & EBS are more than double price in Europe than Carvin 3 way system, 800 W @ 4 ohms. | ||
| bigbadbill
Advanced Member Username: bigbadbill Post Number: 400 Registered: 10-2003 |
Pierreyves, I unfortunately need fairly small, portable cabs, hence the 1x12s....I agree that Eden & EBS are expensive in Europe though. But hey, so are Alembics... | ||
| alembickoa
Junior Username: alembickoa Post Number: 48 Registered: 5-2002 |
So here's a query for all the Alembi-philes... As anyone can see from the pic I posted on another thread, I am seriously lacking in the amp department, and while an old P-Bass is definitively NOT my '81 S1, it is a nice bass. I am considering this little doodad from Mesa (I have always used Mesa for my guitar work) called a Venture 600. These days a combo would suffice for the gigs I do. Has anyone played one of these and what are your thoughts? Regards... Steve | ||
| pierreyves
Advanced Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 215 Registered: 11-2006 |
finally, I had an opportunity, GREAT opportunity: I found on the web SWR Triad & Goliath senior to sale, only ten hours of use, like new .... for ....: 1300$ !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Incidentally and by the same way and the same seller, I paid only 430$ for a SWR Mo Bass !!! It will for my son birthday!! ;o)) | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1811 Registered: 3-2004 |
Steve, Looks like that is the M-Pulse 600 head dropped into a 2x12 cab. I have played and heard some Boogie, but not that one. People rave about the tone of the Walkabout heads, but I haven't heard much about the M-Pulse. I do love the format of a 2x12 cab with decent power. I see that the combo comes with either 4 ohm internal impedance for max power by itself, or as an 8 ohm combo to take an 8 ohm extension speaker when you need to get loud. I would go for the stock 4 ohms and piggyback off the PA if you need more front-of-house sound. -bob | ||
| keurosix
Advanced Member Username: keurosix Post Number: 204 Registered: 10-2005 |
Pierre, I have an SWR SM-400 amp which I play through an SWR Goliath 4x10, and an SWR Big Ben 18" both full range, amp bridged to 400 watts. Just recently, I purchased an AccuGroove El Whappo cabinet which is a hi-fi sound 4 way cabinet rated at 800 watts at 4 ohms (35 Hz~18kHz. 29 Hz @ -6db). This cabinet sounds infinitely better than the SWR cabs IMO. The SM-400 did not have enough power to run it to it's rating of 800 watts, so I picked up an SWR SM-900 amp, which is a better fit. I honestly can say I have not had a better rig for sound and power. Of course there are many different set ups for us all with many different tastes. Yet, the AccuGroove cab can replace 2 or more cabs just by itself. It has a 15" woofer, a 12" mid-range woofer, a 6" hi-mid woofer, and 2 soft dome ferro-fluid tweeters. It never sounds harsh, sounds just like studio monitors in the recording studio, and is inherently transparent so that any preamp or guitar tone tweeking really shines through - just like an Alembic should sound. Yes, it's pricey. Yes it's heavy (It has casters). But one cab replaces alot more weight, 2 trips in and out of the gig, and close to the same price when considering all things: 2 cabs, 2 covers, 2 cords etc.. There is no question in my mind that this cabinet can get ANY sound you want. Ask any Hi-fi person what is the most important component in the sound chain, and he will say good speakers. A crappy amp will sound great with a quality speaker cab, but not the other way around. If you can afford it, the best thing you can do for your sound is get the best speaker cabinet you can. Let your ears be the judge. Kris | ||
| pierreyves
Advanced Member Username: pierreyves Post Number: 216 Registered: 11-2006 |
Kris, did you read my last post ? I have had a great price opportunity. I know perfectly the quality sound of a three way system like hi fi. Before, I was ready to buy Carvin 3 way. | ||
| grateful_sam
New Username: grateful_sam Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2007 |
I just got my Hard Truckers 2x15 cabinet and cant stop telling people how bad ass this thing is. The EV speakers they use really thump. | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 1004 Registered: 6-2002 |
I managed to get hold of a really mint condition Mesa boogie 4x10 powerhouse cab off a guy on Ebay. I've only tried it at home yet and it adds a lot more punch to the sound. I'll have to wait for my next bass gig to put it through its paces. Jazzyvee | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 5709 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hi Sam; welcome to the board! | ||
| edwin
Advanced Member Username: edwin Post Number: 244 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hi Sam! Post some pictures, I got to play through a HT 2x15 and it was great! I would love to experiment with different drivers. A Macauley on the bottom and a JBL on the top might be very cool. Edwin |
