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hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 172
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Wednesday, December 26, 2007 - 7:06 pm:   Edit Post

Ok, here's my idea Alembic.

I want an Alembic short body Series 1 (like I what have today) but with one added feature...

A "Tone Locking" feature. What's this?

After manual adjusting tone, volume, and pickup selections I would like to store (lock) the exact fequency within my bass. I can store a countless array of tone locks depending on the remove-able storage capacity.

I would expect to see a digital touch screen display controller.

What would be your's
jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 1053
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 12:22 am:   Edit Post

I like that idea. Sometimes I find a dream tone setting on my bass then am kind of scared to move to another sound in case I can't get that exact sound back.

I can't see why with current technology this could not be done. I could see that being possible using motorised controls (pots) on series II basses, or controlling the audio signal digitally with a different style of controls.

The price would be the scary thing...... ouch.

As for my own alembic concept.... let me get the grey matter thinking....
Jazzyvee
811952
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Username: 811952

Post Number: 1277
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 6:53 am:   Edit Post

How about a lighter-weight bass with the electronics in a rack? ;)

The idea of presets is a good one.

Seriously, I think they've done about everything my old school brain can come up with.. I think...

John
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 173
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 9:39 am:   Edit Post

I believe anything is possible. Giving a value to each movement of all "Alembic" digital switches, and analog controls to sum a value or (Tone Lock) instance, would be very easy to do in theory, thus I can't see why it couldn't be created in reality.

I could even see prefatory sound settings (Tone Locks) made for people who "want it now" without the programming.

The cost of such a feature would be a question of what amount of research one would needed. I am sure it would take about 2-5 years to create, but over time, but it would worth it in the end because it would allow musicians a choice and the question would be theirs on the timing and usage.

I hope Alembic people do read these requests and get thinking for they work for us :-) (Its true)
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 174
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 9:49 am:   Edit Post

(Re-write...Got distracted).

I believe anything is possible. Giving a value to each movement of all "Alembic" digital switches, and analog controls to sum a value or (Tone Lock) instance, would be very easy to do in theory, thus I can't see why it couldn't be created in reality.

I could even see prefatory sound settings (Tone Locks) made for people who "want it now" without the programming.

The cost of such a feature would be a question of what amount of research one would need. I am sure it would take about 2-5 years to create, but over time, it would be of great worth, in the end, and
allowing musicians greater choices is what technology is all about...

I hope Alembic people do read these requests and "get to thinking", for they work for us :-) (Its true).

My dream job, would be to help Alembic do this. Hee Hee :-).
hieronymous
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Username: hieronymous

Post Number: 237
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 9:59 am:   Edit Post

Maybe they could utilize Moog's recent "Real Analog Control" (RAC) technology. Here's a description: “When you select a parameter, a knob actually injects the control voltage right into the circuit in analog, while simultaneously sampling it.” (from near the end of this article on the Little Phatty)

(Message edited by hieronymous on December 27, 2007)
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 175
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for the info, however the guy is not really talking...

Notice I said "Alembic controls". This would be a design/technology working [For], and integrated [With], Alembic electronics.

You had introduced Moog (the keyboard maker?). This would be outside my discussion scope. No comments here. With all do respect, I play Alembics. Besides, I don't even know what RAC true definitions are, because the article does not say.

I like the name: AFM (Analogical Frequency Memory) or AFL (Analogical Frequency Locking). What's in fancy name anyway :-) (Give it simple name...).

Moog keyboards are cool, but I would hope, Alembic to investigate these solutions for the future of me owning a dream series 1, before heaven give me one.

In fun, I am sure this question could be solved and would maybe become a great journey for such a company like Alembic to open their sails for such winds... (I personally don't know what their plans are...). However, being this is a new year falling upon us, it was just my "simple/ideal" wish for the future for what ever it is worth.
hieronymous
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Username: hieronymous

Post Number: 238
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 11:32 am:   Edit Post

OK sorry about that I fixed it
jbybj
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Username: jbybj

Post Number: 123
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post

The downside to this tone locking feature is the natural tendency to return to the same few settings you already know you like. You might miss out on the accidental discovery of something wonderful.
811952
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Username: 811952

Post Number: 1279
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 11:55 am:   Edit Post

I must add that if you've spent a great deal of time with your instrument investigating new sounds, then it's not a huge deal to dial-in what you're hearing in your head, at least for me. That's the beauty of the Series electronics. Two filters and two Q-switches (or pots) and you've got a world of sounds at your fingertips, once you understand how they work.

John
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 176
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post

Hey, but the up side is: "you may want to share it with others."

The results of each "locked tone" would equal a value. This value, could be shared thus entered on to other Alembics with the said tone locking feature(s).

Also, I would invision a switch for people who choose not to use the system. I am not sure what difference it would make for people like yourself. However, for me and maybe others would love tinkering with such a device, and sometimes I forget a tone (for many reasons) but it would be great to store my perfect switch/volume/pickup selection and retreive it in seconds. Also, if someone wanted to know exactly what my locked configuation were, I could forward it as easy, as I am sending this electronic message.

Therefore, this would be a wonderful tool for even integrating wireless features for uploading/downloading new wiggets to the internal storage processors.

The point, here is: Good ideas, give birth to newer ideas. Many great companies know this fact and they creat with "bridges" to keep their products fresh.
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 177
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 12:59 pm:   Edit Post

Remember, this was my idea first Alemebic!

:-) LOL!!!
jseitang
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Username: jseitang

Post Number: 223
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 1:31 pm:   Edit Post

detented knobs
olieoliver
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Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 1664
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 1:39 pm:   Edit Post

My Ideal Alembic?
.......well......hmmmm........lets seee..... hmmm OH YEA THIS ONE.
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 5873
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 5:13 pm:   Edit Post

Because the wood combinations differ, the settings on one bass are not necessarily going to sound the same when applied to another. You can set the controls to be exactly the same on my S1's and they will sound totally different. When playing live, I do not use the same settings on the one S1 as I do on the other.

Similarly, most people play through different rigs. Because the preamps sound different, how I have the controls set on my bass when playing through my F-1X may differ from how I set them when playing through my F-2B. Same thing when playing through my Acme cab or my Eden.

So, personally, I don't see where being able to download and email control settings to someone with a different bass is significantly useful enough for a small shop like Alembic to spend resources on.

Alembic essentially has one person who does the high end electronics work; and his bench time is usually substantially backlogged. So part of the "cost" of this type of project is the impact on bench time. Personally, I don't see where demand for this feature would be substantial enough to warrent the costs.

But that's just my opinion based on my own very limited experience.
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 265
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 5:26 pm:   Edit Post

I have to agree with John on this one. Once you suss out the electronics, it's not all that hard to dial in a particular sound. I find that external factors (string age, room sound, etc) mean that exactly the same knob settings might even mean a different tone anyway.

There was a preamp that did this, the ADA MB-1, I think was the name. It was pretty cool in that it had a lot of parameters that were all storable and recallable via MIDI. I use a Lexicon G2 for a similar thing, but for the most part, leave the preamp section flat, so it mostly gets used for effects.

Edwin
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 178
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 6:17 pm:   Edit Post

I love this board...

Yes! Yes! Yes!!!

You guys are so correct about drawing distinctness and sound quality due to the wood matrix/shape/composition. Ok, so maybe sending/receiving the dynamic "lock tone" would be totally a lost cause, and I agree 100%.

Ok, scratch that idea...

I was simply brain storming. I was just waiting for some one to come along...:-)


However, I still think the original concept for personal "tone locking" (personal) storage and retrieval is still a valid feature for someone like myself.
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 179
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 6:26 pm:   Edit Post

Here's another idea...

A LED/Analog battery monitor. Give it a vintage display look and feel, with brass and glass. SWEET!
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 180
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 6:39 pm:   Edit Post

A LED/Analog battery monitor would be positioned any fixed viewable area on the guitar and as a fixed object.

The shape and size of the window for viewing, would match the style of the guitar or a custom option. I would love the the idea of a back-lite view (for analog needle) with on off switch.
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 181
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 7:06 pm:   Edit Post

Here's another one...

A string stress alarm. It tells you when to change the strings!

It determines the average number of string licks based upon stress estimates available for Alembic brand strings.

Anyway, this system could be integrated within the pick-up area, and show a light, to signal to the corresponding sting. Thus 4 strings, 4 signals and so on.

Anyway, green light = Good, yellow = Mid point, Red = Time to change string.

You could also adjust the number of licks to fit your playing style.
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 266
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 7:06 pm:   Edit Post

I have to agree with John on this one. Once you suss out the electronics, it's not all that hard to dial in a particular sound. I find that external factors (string age, room sound, etc) mean that exactly the same knob settings might even mean a different tone anyway.

There was a preamp that did this, the ADA MB-1, I think was the name. It was pretty cool in that it had a lot of parameters that were all storable and recallable via MIDI. I use a Lexicon G2 for a similar thing, but for the most part, leave the preamp section flat, so it mostly gets used for effects.

Edwin
jseitang
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Username: jseitang

Post Number: 224
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 7:25 pm:   Edit Post

ok how about pickups for each strings with available high low, band and notch pass filters for each pickup with a blend of the straight signal. how about 10 puch button leds switches on the bass that recall certain setting on the filters..oh! i forgot phil lesh did that already!
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 182
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Thursday, December 27, 2007 - 8:31 pm:   Edit Post

Pickup for each string with tone/volume adjustments...

That's not a bad idea when you think about it.
I like that one...
adriaan
Senior Member
Username: adriaan

Post Number: 1731
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 12:54 am:   Edit Post

Why the stab at Robert Moog? He played a major role in the development of synthesizers, based on the idea of using voltage for controling the parameters for producing sound.

You already should have the best string-life-o-meter built into your head.
eligilam
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Username: eligilam

Post Number: 85
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:40 am:   Edit Post

How about an Alembic built-in GPS type system, so that the Wickershams can track your bass location in the event that it's stolen?
olieoliver
Senior Member
Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 1666
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:49 am:   Edit Post

John, I wonder how much weight you'd really save putting the electronics in a rack. I would imagine Series elctronics weight more than the others. This is actually a pretty good idea. Everything but the pickups mounted remotely in a rack. The only concern I would have is the volume pod, which is the only one I usually adjust much during a gig.
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 2801
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:50 am:   Edit Post

And it's got to have a can opener and a camera!

Bill, tgo
olieoliver
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Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 1667
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 7:55 am:   Edit Post

HAd to get off that last post number. Ewe!
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 183
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 11:36 am:   Edit Post

1. Alembic with "lowjack". (Locating your bass)

2. Fool proof/break proof Alembic Pickups adjustment screw.

3. String/stress monitors

4. Battery monitors (Analog/Digital)

5. Tone locking and memory options

6. System/status check (optimizer)

7. Security Key to Ignition (security)

I would love any one of these new features, if offered by Alembic, for Alembics.
the_8_string_king
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Username: the_8_string_king

Post Number: 945
Registered: 9-2005
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post

I had this idea that maybe they could just add a digital readout to the filter(s). The idea is something really small, that goes from 0 to 99. So when the filter is completely open, you'd get a reading of 0, and a reading of 99 for the other extreme. This would give 100 different options for/over the range of the filter, and would make it really easy to note/duplicate specific sounds.

Of course, another option one could always do if one wanted -which would be relatively easy- would be to design (probably with a computer) a little paper circle with lots of points on it that one could just put under the filter knob. Something that barely shows, but that you could line up the white line on the filter knob with to use as a reference. Maybe make a little paper circle with the 26 letters of the alphabet, pop off the filter knobs, install it under the filters and tape it (with a mild adhesive that wouldn't damage the finish) so it won't move.

Of course, another idea (that would of course be a bit more expensive) would be to have small little dots (like the side position markers) inlaid around the filter knobs. Having say 12 little dots around the filter (like a clock) would be very helpful at noting duplicating filter settings. You could maybe have 6 be blue and 6 be yellow (alternating) or some such thing.

Again, this is something that would be relatively easy for one to do ones self, by making little circles or something with colored tape and just putting it on.
byoung
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Username: byoung

Post Number: 879
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post

Dual action truss rod?
the_8_string_king
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Username: the_8_string_king

Post Number: 946
Registered: 9-2005
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 2:10 pm:   Edit Post

"Had to get off that last post number. Ewe!"

What a strange statement! Strange statement of the day! What could possibly be wrong with a post number?
byoung
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Username: byoung

Post Number: 880
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 3:00 pm:   Edit Post

I suppose it has to do with female sheep.

heh.

His post count had 666 in it. Just like someone might think post # 420 is funny, or 1000 is a milestone.
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 2803
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post

I suspect it was the "666" part, which, some believe, is the inverted sign of the devil standing on his head.

As long as we are being completely unrealistic, shouldn't the instrument also have deployable helium balloons, so you could push a button and instantly have the weight reduced mid-song! And how about retractable wings and a little rocket hidden in the omega to make it easy to get home quickly after gigs.

Bill, tgo
the_8_string_king
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Username: the_8_string_king

Post Number: 947
Registered: 9-2005
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 3:32 pm:   Edit Post

Oh, a boogey-man thing! Gotcha. Wow, that's funny... that someone would think it... and even funnier that they'd say it!

Thanks for the chuckle!
cozmik_cowboy
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Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 237
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 4:04 pm:   Edit Post

I think rackmount is the right direction, but too far. For years I've thought about an instrument with only the p/ups onboard, and all the controls on a pedal board - switches would be stomp type, and pots would be on pedals, thus saving the weight, not hiding the wood under knobs, and giving total on-the-fly tweakability - change while you play!

Peter
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 2805
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 5:12 pm:   Edit Post

Total rack mount controls? Isn't that called the SF-2? Series II and then some in a box!

Bill, tgo
dannobasso
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Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 684
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 6:43 pm:   Edit Post

Anthony Jackson already has the guts outside the bass.
bsee
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Username: bsee

Post Number: 1848
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 9:00 pm:   Edit Post

Relative to the original poster's request, that's not what you want... There's nothing done in the bass that can't be done outside the bass. If you come stereo out of the bass with the Q switches off and the filters maxed, you could have an outboard device do what you describe. You're looking for a modernized SF-2 with digital controls.
olieoliver
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Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 1669
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 9:38 pm:   Edit Post

I don't believe in the "boogey-man" although I did gig with a band called "The Boogie Men".
811952
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Username: 811952

Post Number: 1281
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Friday, December 28, 2007 - 10:17 pm:   Edit Post

Olie,

I was actually thinking the SF-2 is the answer to my mount-all-the-guts-in-a-rack idea. ;) I, too, live and die by the volume control at a gig. Once I've got something dialed-in to the room, I usually do my timbral changes with the fingers.

As an aside, I played a gig tonight on the Lakland, and didn't change my tone settings on the amp from my last gig with the Alembic. I found that keeping the controls on the bass pretty flat (but with a hint of highs rolled-off), I could get most of what I was looking for just by adjusting the pan from tune to tune. It's the nicest cheap bass (it's a Skyline 5-string) I think I've ever played.

John
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 184
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:13 am:   Edit Post

The whole point I started this thread, was to brainstorm ideas and to understand ideas from others, as well as share my own wish list. It's real easy to shoot down ideas, but it takes creativity to add them.

If you are happy with what you got, and you couldn't possibily think of anything you would like to see done to enhance your Alembic, great.

However, I had seen some great looking Alembics with lights to show octives on the side. These added features "to me" are a great addition to have for Alembics. However, as for me, I really never personally needed them, "BUT" by all means, this does not mean, I would knock down the idea/concept because I don't need them.

I am sure, before Alembic added the said feature, there was demand for such a tool, and thus with enough suggestions on the said idea/concept echo-ing through the magical hall's of Alembic workshop, octive lights eventually became an established reality for people who wanted them...

I am not going to waste my time and debate whether or not, octive lights was necessary but for me, I never needed them and I am happy for people who find them great. In otherwords, I am happy if you are happy "live and let live".

Hey,
"Different strokes for different folks".
keavin
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Username: keavin

Post Number: 1319
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:26 am:   Edit Post

hendixclarke if i sent you my adress could mail me one of those good good joints???...........you seem to be feeling really good my friend.
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 2806
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post

Hal:

By "octive lights" I assume you mean side LEDs. When I was specing Woody, my custom Further, I initially thought the side LEDs were kind of gimmicky. I posted a thread asking other's opinions, and was bowled over by the overwhelmingly positive responses I received. As a result, I went ahead and ordered side LEDs. Boy, am I glad I did. You say you don't need them? Just wait until the on-stage lighting circuit blows mid song. Got LEDs? Keep on playin'!

Keavin:

I think you may have opened a can-o-worms. lol

Bill, tgo
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 5886
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 3:44 pm:   Edit Post

To add to Bill's observation. Lots of working musicians play in situations where there is very little stage lighting available to see the fingerboard. For instance if you're called to do a gig backing up a singer, and the whole show is focused on the singer, then you may be standing in some back corner of the stage with no lighting. So yes, if you don't play in those types of situations, then you may indeed have no use for side LED's. However, if you do find yourself playing on dimly lit stages, then side LED's can be very helpful.

Alembic does do custom work. If you have an idea for a custom body shape, you'll pay extra for it because a template doesn't exist and it will take them longer to make it. However, after they've made yours, a template will exist and subsequent orders for the shape will be less expensive.

Lots of things start out as one-off custom orders and then other people choose them as options on their orders; and example being the East Meets West electronics package.

There are lots of examples of customer "creativity" in the Factory To Customer section and of course in the Dreaming For Now section; it is in that section that a lot of collaborative customer creativity has been initiated. And of course one of the most recent examples of creativity is the November, 2007 Featured Custom.

So there has been no shortage of creativity among club members, just as there is also ample experienced opinion as to why some thing might work and others might not.
dannobasso
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Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 685
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, December 29, 2007 - 10:50 pm:   Edit Post

led's are a must, not a luxury people! Besides, they are extremely cool.
hendixclarke
Intermediate Member
Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 185
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 3:55 am:   Edit Post

Could I get a custom battery monitor "window" within the design of my custom bass from Alembic: yes/no
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 5892
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 5:58 am:   Edit Post

I really don't know if this is something they would do. If you're ordering a bass from Alembic, then this is something you will want to discuss with them on the phone. They will need to work out details with you on what you're looking for, how it physically will look on the instrument, and how it will function. There may then be some in-house discussion with Ron on the electronics before they can give you a quote on the cost.

Except on Series instruments, for which most people just use the power supply, batteries last a good while. Some people change them once a year when doing annual maintenance. So this is a custom option that will require some of Ron's bench time, and probably some design work by Susan or Mica to fit it seamlessly into the aesthetic appearance of the instrument, and of course some time for the woodworking and the cost of the parts (mil spec). So, just from a practical perspective, if your goal is to avoid having your battery die on stage, it's going to cost a bit to accomplish what most folks achieve just by changing their batteries once a year.
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 186
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 9:36 am:   Edit Post

Keavin, I have some great African/South American coffee blends me and my wife scored from over my relatives house in Oakland, CA (Piedmont/Mont.Clara Hills).

Sorry, I don't go beyond a great brew. :-)

Also, around this time, I make my children home made chocolate chip cookies. I'll be more than happy to share this recipe with you or anyone in good spirits of the New Year!
keavin
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Username: keavin

Post Number: 1321
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 3:42 pm:   Edit Post

just like rami U got some great recipes, share the wealth............download the Goods....LOL........good food, good meat, good God lets eat!
bigredbass
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Username: bigredbass

Post Number: 1262
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

Something do-able pretty easily: I've tried several acoustic/electric box basses that included an onboard tuner. While I wouldn't use it for intonation jobs, etc., just to tune up to practice or play it's REAL convenient, and obviously not much more than a drop-in circuit, as I've seen it on several different brands. Built in, it's one less thing to forget and one less thing to have to lug in with you.

PS: For batteries, IF you can find someone who retails these generally wholesale-only items, the Duracell ProCells are even better than lithiums and cheaper. Mainstays of cops and hospitals, I've really glommed onto these things, they REALLY last.

J o e y
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 187
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Sunday, December 30, 2007 - 6:01 pm:   Edit Post

Before starting, so make sure you have the following:

1 box brown suger (1 pound) (C&H)
2 sticks Real butter (Challenge Butter)
2 large eggs
1 teaspoon vanilla extract (Durkee)
1/2 teaspoon salt (Morten)
1/2 teaspoon baking powder (Arm & Hammer)
2 1/2 cups of unbleached all purpose flower (Gold Medal)
1 1/2 cups of Peacan nuts and or Walnuts
12oz bag of Chocolate Chips (Semi-sweet Herseys)
Preheat oven to 370 F


Step 1.
Electric Mix everything "EXCEPT" Flower, Nuts and Chocolate Chips and with electric mixer.

Step 2.

Add 2 1/2 cups of unbleached flower into mix (see step 1.)

Step 3.

Add Nuts and Chips to the mix after flower is well mixed and consistantly even. Mix with wooden spoon.

Step 4.

Scoop a about a teaspoon per shot on cookie sheet and bake for about 10-13 minutes.

Enjoy!!!!





lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 2809
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 7:25 am:   Edit Post

Here's one I actually asked Susan about when I was specing my custom Further: What if the side LEDs could be incorporated into a tuner? Susan said no go. But wouldn't it be cool?!!

Bill, tgo
811952
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Username: 811952

Post Number: 1284
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 3:17 pm:   Edit Post

There's a company somewhere on Teh Intertubes that sells an neck-side led kit that is programmable. It can be preset to function as a tuner or as a VU meter. I haven't been able to find the url for them, but I think it was posted here a couple of years ago...

John
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 189
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Monday, December 31, 2007 - 3:55 pm:   Edit Post

With integrated circuits and micro processors being so small these days, I don't think racks systems will have much of a future.

The technology in the future will be closer to the source.
richbass939
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Username: richbass939

Post Number: 908
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 3:52 pm:   Edit Post

I like my outboard/rack effects because I can plug any of my instruments into them. If they were onboard any particular instrument then I would only be able to use them with that instrument. I think external stuff will be here for the long run.
Rich
811952
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Username: 811952

Post Number: 1287
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 03, 2008 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

Agreed. It just gets smaller, is all...

John
fc_spoiler
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Username: fc_spoiler

Post Number: 679
Registered: 5-2006
Posted on Sunday, January 06, 2008 - 1:58 am:   Edit Post

I kinda like the idea of an Alembic with an onboard effects processor, 5 12ax7 and 18 6L6 tubes. (my current rack system)
Would be awesome if they can fit the cabs in there also
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 1556
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, January 07, 2008 - 4:21 am:   Edit Post

Mine are all perfect and need no additions;-)

Graeme
terryc
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Username: terryc

Post Number: 409
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 7:17 am:   Edit Post

Just picked up on this thread, I started a thread called 'Still Discovering Tones' and althought the idea of programmable 'tone lock' or is it Tone Loc(Me Myself I rap song) sounds feasable as davehouck says, woods, strings, amps,venue all change the sound BUT 8 string king's idea is doable. If you were having a custom built then I am sure Alembic would put small marker dots on the top laminate for indication of settings, it would look really cool in mother of pearl, brass, gold or silver dots, very small led's or rubies, sapphires, emerald or diamonds..bet all you next custom purchasers are thinking of that one now!!
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 1572
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 7:26 am:   Edit Post

Terry. My next custom (NEXT! hah! I wish) will be a triple O 5 string in blue buckeye burl, bookmatched to centre with wood truss rod and p'up covers. Maybe even matching THGs. Chrome or nickel plated hardware and possibly blue Laser Leds inlayed into the MoP ovals. I'll probably also go for the inlayed logo with rays. What i'll not be doing is going for any fancy electronic gadgets. I'd probably stick with the signature electronics package as I can't think of anything additional I'd need and it hasn't taken long to get used to what knob positions make which tones.

Graeme
dfung60
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Username: dfung60

Post Number: 297
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, January 11, 2008 - 1:24 pm:   Edit Post

fc_spoiler wrote this:

> Would be awesome if they can fit the
> cabs in there also

Hey, that's not as silly as you probably meant it:

http://www.edn.com/blog/980000298/post/50019805.html

or, directly from the horse's mouth:

http://www.nxtsound.com/index.php?id=technologies

Somehow, they managed to be both overly technical and vague at the same time, which isn't easy to do!

Without wading through all that gobblygook, what NXT does is create physical drivers that attach to surfaces to turn them into speakers. So, yes, with the proper engineering, you could put an NXT module IN your next Alembic and be the first guy on the block with a figured cocobolo speaker! Now, you wouldn't be able to rock the arena with this, but who knows how loud you could get it before it turns into a Sustainiac?

There was an interesting Japanese geek toy a couple of years ago that worked on a similar principle - it was a small physical driver that you would stick on a sheet of glass or table top and it use thing you stuck it to to move air.

First guy who orders one of these will certainly get to be a Custom of the Month!

David Fung
keavin
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Username: keavin

Post Number: 1330
Registered: 12-2002
Posted on Saturday, January 12, 2008 - 6:30 am:   Edit Post

Hey what about alembic infra red bass pickups?
terryc
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Username: terryc

Post Number: 414
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Monday, January 14, 2008 - 12:53 am:   Edit Post

jacko..oh the wish list if we had the money available(lottery win!!)
I would have a load built..every different but based around the classic series shape, loads of wood laminates for the body wings but definitely ebony neck laminates to pull out that fundemental, series electronics with vari-Q, leds on the side and front, inlaid logo and my idea of control position markers in diamonds or leds to which the chosen led setting lights up when you move it to that position. Oh I wish those days..would..come back once more(brilliant bass line!!!)
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 208
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 11:41 pm:   Edit Post

thanks for the links David...love that impossible stuff that takes a little longer to catch on.
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 209
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, March 02, 2008 - 11:46 pm:   Edit Post

thanks for the links David...love that impossible stuff that takes a little longer to catch on.

I have a mid 80's ENGL amp that is analog and is writable... though not midi.
Their engineers were definitely pushing the envelope off the desk.
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 300
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, March 04, 2008 - 10:36 am:   Edit Post

I remember an amp from 1979 or so that I believe was called the OMEC. The front just had a big keypad on it and all the parameters were controlled by it. It seemed that it didn't have memory for settings, so each time you powered it up, you had reprogram your presets. It resided at The Boston Musician on Beacon St outside of Kenmore Sq. One of the guys who worked there recounted auditioning for a gig and brought it along. They were so impressed by his rapid programming abilities that they hired him on the spot.

Edwin
rockbassist
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Username: rockbassist

Post Number: 129
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Saturday, March 08, 2008 - 7:08 am:   Edit Post

I like the concept but I think that since sound and tonal qualities vary according to the venue, it would only be practical in studio settings. Still a good idea though
hendixclarke
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Username: hendixclarke

Post Number: 252
Registered: 6-2007
Posted on Saturday, March 29, 2008 - 7:40 am:   Edit Post

March 08 Featured Custom is exactly what I had in mind.

"Tone Locking" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I WANT THIS NEW BASS!!!!!! BAAAAAD ASSSSSSS!!!!
ALEMBIC, YOU DID IT AGAIN!
crazykiwi
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Username: crazykiwi

Post Number: 57
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post

*ahem*
http://www.kitarapaja.com/pics/bpreatemp11.jpg
crazykiwi
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Username: crazykiwi

Post Number: 58
Registered: 10-2005
Posted on Wednesday, April 09, 2008 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post

or alternatively?

http://www.ashdownmusic.com/press/press_images/bass/superfly.jpg

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