| Author | Message | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 612 Registered: 6-2007 |
Music sweet music...(Manic depression)  | ||
| darkstar01
Intermediate Member Username: darkstar01 Post Number: 153 Registered: 6-2005 |
i really don't understand your connection between hendrix and stanley clarke. but if it works for you, cool. | ||
| sjhoffma
Intermediate Member Username: sjhoffma Post Number: 110 Registered: 5-2008 |
Sing me to sleep Phil  | ||
| pas
Intermediate Member Username: pas Post Number: 178 Registered: 3-2003 |
Looks like Phil could use a little more fiber in his diet... | ||
| brb9911
Member Username: brb9911 Post Number: 55 Registered: 10-2007 |
LOL -- it looks like Phil just hit that elusive Brown Note .... ; ) | ||
| chalie_holmes
Junior Username: chalie_holmes Post Number: 45 Registered: 3-2009 |
I think the connection is that they were/are the greatest innovators of their instruments. Jimi and Stanley were doing playing in ways no other musician thought of or at least attempted and did it with such power, grace, speed and ease, and clarity that it astounded the whole musical world! Both Jimi and Stanley inspired all musicians that played either the guitar or bass respectively, that here is another way to jam on your axe! Just like the Grandfather of Slap, Larry Grahmn (sp). Totally at the pinnacle of their instrument! | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 617 Registered: 6-2007 |
Hey I found one connection... They are both pointing their fingers in the same directions...  | ||
| oujeebass
Intermediate Member Username: oujeebass Post Number: 155 Registered: 10-2002 |
long fingers | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 618 Registered: 6-2007 |
Would Jimi own an Alembic guitar... if alive? Humm.... all stars in the infinite Universes points to: YES,... ABSOLUTELY YES. Jimi would be compelled to take it HIGHER! | ||
| chalie_holmes
Junior Username: chalie_holmes Post Number: 46 Registered: 3-2009 |
YEAH BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! A La Sly Stone! | ||
| crobbins
Advanced Member Username: crobbins Post Number: 349 Registered: 6-2004 |
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| darkstar01
Intermediate Member Username: darkstar01 Post Number: 154 Registered: 6-2005 |
i guess i never really understood why people were so crazy for stanley's playing. not my thing. | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 620 Registered: 6-2007 |
Like Sly Stone said: "Different strokes for different folks, and so on and so on and shoo-bee-doo-bee-doo-beee..." In other words, its cool to know what you like, and don't like... I call this a blessing. Like Charles said, "Jimi and Stanley were doing (things) and playing in ways no other musician thought of or at least attempted and did it with such power, grace, speed and ease, and clarity that it astounded the whole musical world!" Quality musicians attracts quality minds and musicians. They go to their concerts or workshops. When somebody attracts Herbie, Wayne, Omar Hakeem, Chick, Lenny, Al, Jeff Beck, Kieth Richards, George Duke and the list goes on...and they all played with Stanley, then are you saying those great musicians are also crazy? You are the only sane person right? I bet you can't name one famous bass play who don't have the utmost respect for Stanley. Name one person... Please validate your opinion with someone who's as famous as Stanley, that feels like you do sir... Please answer the question... | ||
| jalevinemd
Senior Member Username: jalevinemd Post Number: 748 Registered: 12-2003 |
Let the games begin! | ||
| darkstar01
Intermediate Member Username: darkstar01 Post Number: 155 Registered: 6-2005 |
calm down, dude. i'm not saying you or anyone else is crazy for liking stanley. being 'crazy' for someone and being 'crazy' in general is not the same thing. it's a figure of speech. obviously stanley has a lot of skill. no one is arguing that. it's just a matter of taste, and i'm sure (judging by the names you listed) my favorites players (erik fratzke, henry grimes, barry guy, william parker) wouldnt make your top 100 . i do like stanley's upright playing. his electric stuff just never did anything for me. and to be honest, i never liked his tone. at all. so chill out and go listen to some happy apple. it won't hurt, i promise. (Message edited by darkstar01 on May 04, 2009) | ||
| mike1762
Advanced Member Username: mike1762 Post Number: 303 Registered: 1-2008 |
I don't think Austin is implying that Stanley is not an AMAZING talent. He's just saying that Stanley's playing doesn't suit HIM. That's OK. I'm more of a pocket player myself and I will often back-off for the sake of the song. I think musicians with a Jazz inclination tend to make music that is more about virtuostic displays rather than writing a song that a non-musician will enjoy. That's OK as well... just understand and acknowledge who your audience is and who they are not. | ||
| darkstar01
Intermediate Member Username: darkstar01 Post Number: 156 Registered: 6-2005 |
yeah but i'm not saying i only like 'pocket' players, either. stanley's lines (particularly on electric) just never seemed very interesting to me. but i don't really dig the entire genre he was involved in during his formative years. i'm not a return to forever fan, i don't like his solo stuff. but that whole early era of "fusion" or whatever you want to call it, doesn't do anything for me. i studied with joe chambers (and if you know chick and wayne shorter's work, you know who joe chambers is), and he said "return to forever, chick corea, that was smooth jazz. that was the birth of smooth jazz. tony williams' band (lifetime), now that was the only fusion band." and i absolutely agree. | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 621 Registered: 6-2007 |
I am always calm... and I am not irritated by my positive feelings about a wonderful bass player. It's calm warm and fuzzy feeling to speak positive about someone (if you mean it...) Negativity drains the imagination, staggers creativity, hardens soul with confinements, and just plane bad for the Psyche. I am very calm, trust me. Also, I don't believe we ever met before, so please don't try to figure my top 100 or even 10. I asked you a specific question, and you failed to name a famous person who feels like you. Also, about the "crazy" slang, please don't assume I use words the same way you do. And then you want to say Stanley's electric bass tone was never liked? Which tone are you referencing? Please tell me which tone, because you can get an incredible amount of tone from Alembic basses, and Stanley is the one to attempt to try them all. Please answer my question on the tone. I am clear on what you mean on crazy (we are cool) Thanks for explaining, but then again I am glad I asked. One more important note... If Stanley didn't take the bass to the limits with what he did, you would still be happy. So, why knock something that's strange? You bases are weak, and people said the same thing about Miles Davis when he connected a wa-wa to his horn and entered a new direction with Jazz. Miles and Gil Evans contacted Jimi Hendrix to join in on this new fusion sound called Jazz-Fusion. This form of music, gave musicians the freedom and the space to move. It was the next step in evolution of discovering more color and greater musical architecture, on a larger landscape. That is the problem with conservatism in music, it blinds the mind and it locks you down like holding a natural fart. GET THE FUNK OUT OF MY FACE... YOU DON'T LIKE MY MUSIC... Lewis Johnson said it best Alembic in hand... Peace- | ||
| darkstar01
Intermediate Member Username: darkstar01 Post Number: 157 Registered: 6-2005 |
i'm pretty hesitant to even try to have a conversation with you, but it's late, and i'll give it a go. everything i stated is my opinion, and no one else's. i don't need to provide you with someone "famous" to back up my opinion that i don't like stanley's playing. period. i never said that anyone, other than myself, disliked his tone. i never said his playing was "strange". in fact, to me, it's not strange enough. i primarily listen to, and pretty much (with few exceptions) play avant garde / completely improvised music. "conservatism" is not in my vocabulary. i know what miles did. he originally wanted jimi in his band, but jimi died. so he (unhappily on some accounts) settled for john mclaughlin. bottom line, i don't like his playing. that's all i ever said. now if this somehow offends you, that's a bit odd, but i'm sorry. as you said at the beginning, to each their own. and as far as the "fusion" argument goes, you can take that up with joe chambers. and i can guarantee you that's not a good idea. he's not the nicest guy on the planet. (Message edited by darkstar01 on May 05, 2009) | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 808 Registered: 11-2004 |
Let's not get this thread closed if it gets too personal, there have been too many of these recently. I can agree with both of you, if the tone, songs or technique don't stimulate your brain then it will not happen however many times you listen to it. Stan's sound was the end as far as I am concerned but I hated Chris Squires tone but his playing is superb. Horses for courses, there is nothing wrong with exceeding the boundaries and there is nothing wrong with staying inside the boundaries either. The choice is up to the individual and the world would be a very boring place if we all followed the same path. | ||
| darkstar01
Intermediate Member Username: darkstar01 Post Number: 158 Registered: 6-2005 |
for the record, i'm not trying to start some kind of heated argument. i just don't like being misquoted. thanks for your input, terry. | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 622 Registered: 6-2007 |
Read to your comments... "i really don't understand your connection between hendrix and stanley clarke." "i guess i never really understood why people were so crazy for stanley's playing. not my thing." Twice, you said didn't understand something... So, the first lack of understanding, Chalie broke it down, to give you some meaning of the connection between Hendrix and Clarke... (By the way, you never follow up with a comment on Chalie's answers...did it help? Then you didn't understand why "people" liked Stanley Clarke (you used the word "crazy"...) So, when you used "people" "crazy" and "Stanley Clarke" in the same sentence it sound personal. At this point, I am feeling a negative vibe from you, and my musical senses was smelling something odd. I am done. I am no long interested in this discussion. I understand where you are coming from. Some things are best expressed with silents. | ||
| gregduboc
Intermediate Member Username: gregduboc Post Number: 138 Registered: 11-2008 |
Hal, please forgive me in this intrusion, but you gotta chill man. You tend to pick everyone's comments and transform it into something you find offensive. And that makes us a bit confused. Here in Brazil, we have a saying: What would be of the Blue, if everyone loved the Green? And with that, I want to point out that everyone has an opinion, and we have to respect them. I believe that what Austin is saying is that Stanley isn't to him who he is to you. That is his point of view. And we all have to understand and respect that. So please, let's cool it down and stop all these virtual discussions (more of a fight to me) and keep this nice place peacefull... By no means I want to be disrespectful with anyone, I only want to keep this lovely club a lovely place. And do forgive me if my opinion is wrong, but again, it is my opinion. Greg (Message edited by gregduboc on May 05, 2009) | ||
| serialnumber12
Advanced Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 400 Registered: 12-2004 |
speaking of "Cool pictures"  (Message edited by serialnumber12 on May 07, 2009) | ||
| serialnumber12
Senior Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 401 Registered: 12-2004 |
 (Message edited by serialnumber12 on May 06, 2009) | ||
| serialnumber12
Senior Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 402 Registered: 12-2004 |
(Message edited by serialnumber12 on May 05, 2009) | ||
| serialnumber12
Senior Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 403 Registered: 12-2004 |
The coolest pic of them all serialnumber#999!!!  | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 623 Registered: 6-2007 |
All I did was put up a picture, and now I need to chill? I heard somebody say... "Something is wrong with that picture..." then echos... "Something is wrong with Stanley's tone..." WHO NEEDS TO CHILL? What a joke... My Alembic is back on it's stand man. | ||
| fc_spoiler
Senior Member Username: fc_spoiler Post Number: 875 Registered: 5-2006 |
I guess these are the opposite of "cool" ?   Note: I was a very angry and disturbed young man back then... | ||
| serialnumber12
Senior Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 405 Registered: 12-2004 |
the first pic you appear to be on fire!.......or was it a "Hot bass solo"! | ||
| tubeperson
Member Username: tubeperson Post Number: 65 Registered: 5-2005 |
I love Stanley's playing, but I do not take offense at someone who doesn't care for it. Differernt strokes for different folks. My liking Stanley does not invalidate someone else caring for a different flavor. It amazes me at some people who are so intolerant of others yet cannot see their own close-minded ways. So Mr. Hendixclarke, I am on board with you regarding Stenley's playing and contributions. But keep in miind, there are many that think we are all nuts for spending the vast sums of money on our Alembic bass(es). Some of this is the directed from the unexposed, others are just "intolerant". I have a feeling you can raise your level of tolerance and not personalize another dissenting opinion. This country is way too polarized over different opinions (and not all on on side either). All of this diversity is what makes America great. So embrace and learn to at least tolerate it. I can tell you that Stanley's influence stayed with me for many years, until I entered the old fart years (AARP eligible) as my young son would say) when I could finally afford to have a Series or II (Two 2'a as well). I do love your passion Hendixclarke, but take a deep breath and imagine playing with RTF. This is a much better way to expend energy that fighting with someone else's opinion. Now I know some hatred will come to me as a result of this, but it just doesn't matter. It just doesn't matter, it just doesn't matter...... | ||
| fc_spoiler
Senior Member Username: fc_spoiler Post Number: 876 Registered: 5-2006 |
I guess it was both :-) I forgot note 2: I broke my thumb the day before that gig and had 2 stitches in it, I had a reason to be angry :-( You can see the bandage around my fretting hand thumb. | ||
| chalie_holmes
Junior Username: chalie_holmes Post Number: 47 Registered: 3-2009 |
I do know that there is much passion in what we like and are willing to discuss, even to the point that it may come off as being defensive. It is no big deal.Just Keep it in the Low frequencies baby! Long live the 1st Amedment my passionate keepers of the Temple of the low sonic groovalischous soul-stirring musicians realm. Peace! Chalie Holmes Williamsport Pa | ||
| mattheus
Intermediate Member Username: mattheus Post Number: 157 Registered: 5-2003 |
@ fc spoiler quote: I forgot note 2: I broke my thumb the day before that gig and had 2 stitches in it, I had a reason to be angry :-( You can see the bandage around my fretting hand thumb. Not so long ago I also had a little accident with my left hand. For weeks and weeks it was painfull to play the bass. And we gig 1 -4 times every week, so you can imagine how I felt... Finally I decided to pay the doctor a little visit. It didn't take him long to see what was wrong; I broke my pink. This is now almost 6 months ago and I can still feel it. | ||
| tmoney61092
Member Username: tmoney61092 Post Number: 94 Registered: 9-2008 |
Going back to the Stanley subject, I hate slap bass, personally it makes me sick, I have never liked it, but my only exception is les claypool because he didn't play normal slap, he extend it to a much cooler thing. It's an opinion so chill out | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 530 Registered: 3-2004 |
The only real bass players play washtub bass! I don't know who this Stanley what's-his-name is, but he doesn't play washtub, does he? Then NO GOOD! /Just kidding! //I like Les Claypool also, Taylor. ///Not that I dislike Stanley. ////I definitely like slash marks! | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 3782 Registered: 7-2004 |
Batten down the hatches! Bill, tgo | ||
| mike1762
Advanced Member Username: mike1762 Post Number: 304 Registered: 1-2008 |
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| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 624 Registered: 6-2007 |
I love the percussion sounds it make, the growl, the cutting snaps, the intense Pops, the forever harmonics, the graceful hums, the slamming strums, the flute-like flurries, the bending of the strings, the echo's in the hall, the timing between the drums, the solos from soft, to hard, then to soft to join back with the band. I love all basses, I love all sound, and I would play with anybody who love basses too. My poem to you... | ||
| olieoliver
Senior Member Username: olieoliver Post Number: 2340 Registered: 2-2006 |
That must be the DELUXE model Mike, it's got TWO STRINGS!. OO And by the way , Jerry's music is "Dead". (That should stir things up.) | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 811 Registered: 11-2004 |
Those early Alembics..why the trapezoid pick ups?? A fashion statement or something to improve the 'magnetic window' Answers please | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 626 Registered: 6-2007 |
(Message edited by hendixclarke on May 05, 2009) | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 532 Registered: 3-2004 |
Does it mean I'm a colossal dork if I admit that the bass in Mike's picture looks really fun to try? I wonder if Alembic would ever make one . . . I can see it now, hand hammered brass tub, flame maple and ebony laminated neck, and a Classico transducer . . . Maybe I need to move this to dreaming for now! | ||
| mike1762
Advanced Member Username: mike1762 Post Number: 305 Registered: 1-2008 |
Yes Olie, that was an extended range tub bass. It can go places and hit notes a 1 string tub bass can only dream of. Of course you traditionalist out there are probably saying "why would you possibly need more than 1 string?". Hal you are right, Tom's "Shorter scale" bass is something else. For those of you who have not seen it... check it out:  That is amazing!!! Alembic's (and Tom's) goal was to make an extra-short scale bass (28") to accommodate Tom's short stature, but not have the bass look like a toy. Success!!! Given Tom's former profession as a Ham-burglar, Alembic better be sure the check clears before they ship it... he might be a Bass-burglar now!!! I can't wait to see pics of Tom with this bass. | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 627 Registered: 6-2007 |
check clears before they ship it... he might be a Bass-burglar now!!! That was hilarious!!! | ||
| oujeebass
Intermediate Member Username: oujeebass Post Number: 156 Registered: 10-2002 |
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| mike1762
Advanced Member Username: mike1762 Post Number: 306 Registered: 1-2008 |
There's something not right with that photo... it's that kid on the far left: his bow tie is crooked. His parents must have been so ashamed. | ||
| crobbins
Advanced Member Username: crobbins Post Number: 351 Registered: 6-2004 |
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| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 628 Registered: 6-2007 |
Look like a 80's motif... Maybe a Hollywood screening of a new TV show. That's what I read... | ||
| pauldo
Intermediate Member Username: pauldo Post Number: 122 Registered: 6-2006 |
Mr. Flowers. . . Your observation skills are astute and keen, obviously you are a man of distinction and taste. To raise a glass with you would be a treat! How's this for cool? One of our queens caught in the act of laying eggs (note the eggs in adjacent cells - they look like a grain of rice)  |
