| Author | Message | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 737 Registered: 6-2007 |
I think so... especially if they use Alembics on their cuts... Also, hearing and seeing an Alembic basses in action and played live, is icing on the cake. What do you think... Should artist list their tools? | ||
| jseitang
Advanced Member Username: jseitang Post Number: 263 Registered: 6-2002 |
i remember looking at the credits for RTF, it said:" stanley clarke- alembic bass." i think its a good thing, because, its not any ole' bass, it an alembic bass. | ||
| chalie_holmes
Member Username: chalie_holmes Post Number: 84 Registered: 3-2009 |
When I look at the CD Credits the artists lists their tools such as Chick Corea, Stanley Clarke, Lenny White, Al Dimeola, Dave Weckel, Victor Wooten, to name a few. So I believe that it is appropriate, espicially if such giants of the musical community that I mentioned list their tools! It's gotta be cool! Thumb to the bass fingers keep a pluckin! | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 594 Registered: 3-2004 |
Should people mention their basses on recordings? I don't know. It kind of seems like it would interrupt the song to have someone start talking about their equipment  . | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 3926 Registered: 7-2004 |
Rim shot! Bill, tgo | ||
| gtrguy
Advanced Member Username: gtrguy Post Number: 215 Registered: 9-2004 |
Some of them have endorsements. Dave | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 738 Registered: 6-2007 |
If an artist list their tools for my mind to read, my ears become much more open, yet focused to listen even more deeply. For artist using Alembics, I would give "that" much more attention. Also, famous players, need not to list their instruments. (We already know what they play... ) This thread was crafted for people here... famous or not...(or what not...) (Message edited by hendixclarke on June 16, 2009) | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 739 Registered: 6-2007 |
Back in the 70's Stanley Clarke was not well known, nor was Alembic Basses (for that matter...) It was great for Stanley to list his tools, and I believe even though he's well known, Stanley still lists his rigs. The Return To Forever Album "No Mystery" title alone, make it clear too. No tricks, no smoke or mirrors... Just Laying Down The Boogie baby... for what its exactly worth. | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 899 Registered: 11-2004 |
Carol Kaye was always listed as Fender Bass in her credits. I think it is a good way to say thank you to the companies who have supplied gear to the artists or just to mention the instruments/amps so as some of us can gain knowledge. I know when I was younger and starting out playing I wanted to know what everyone used..you cannot know enough! | ||
| dadabass2001
Senior Member Username: dadabass2001 Post Number: 1176 Registered: 6-2002 |
I list my basses by track on my recordings (when allowed), and on my Myspace page as well. I like the idea of someone following along and going, "I gotta get one of those". (not that my playing will cause that, but perhaps the sound will inspire, as it did me some 30 mmp-mmph years ago and still does (JJ/Victor/etc)! Mike (Message edited by dadabass2001 on June 16, 2009) | ||
| jseitang
Advanced Member Username: jseitang Post Number: 264 Registered: 6-2002 |
well fender bass was done because most all pop music had bass- double bass that is. when fender made the p-bass in 51, very few people played it. i was told that when you joined the union back in those days, you could specify bass, or fender bass. | ||
| cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member Username: cozmik_cowboy Post Number: 495 Registered: 10-2006 |
What Jimmy said. In Carol's heyday, "Fender Bass®" was used generically for "electric bass", a la Kleenex® for tissue & Vaseline® for petroleum jelly. My favorite case of IDing your ax was on the first Pure Prairie League album, where the great John David Call is noted as playing "shoo-boo steel guitar". I had the chance to ask him what was up with that; it was a misprint - should, of course, have read "Sho-Bud". Always proofread your album covers, kids! Peter | ||
| elwoodblue
Senior Member Username: elwoodblue Post Number: 712 Registered: 6-2002 |
a little off topic... A fond memory I have from high school was when I saw that Rush listed 'plywood' as an instrument on their album 'Moving Pictures'. | ||
| cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member Username: cozmik_cowboy Post Number: 496 Registered: 10-2006 |
Not being a Rush fan, I didn't know they used it - but when I saw John Hartford solo in the 70s, he & his soundman spent about 15 minutes getting the mic on the plywood right (but somehow I just don't see Geddy clogging). Peter | ||
| blackelan
Intermediate Member Username: blackelan Post Number: 114 Registered: 7-2007 |
I remember ...And Justice For All listed Jason Newsted as playing Alembics and I know being an adolecent in the early 90's me and my friends would call and bug Susan about Jason's basses and what his specs were, thinking we could probably order one for around a 1000 bucks LOL. When we found out how much series II electronics cost we were pretty disapointed but it did not stop us from calling again. As kids we saw Alembic in the Album credits and thought that there is no better bass in the world because it was used on this album because Jason can afford to use anything. | ||
| serialnumber12
Senior Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 469 Registered: 12-2004 |
although lots of players dont mention the brand of bass......... an alembic Can speak loud and clear for it's self http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YP7UbIJkg_k http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4DzNELkI6B4&feature=related | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 740 Registered: 6-2007 |
Actually, I didn't know the Group: "Pleasure" used Alembics. This was my point exactly... Sometimes the combination of recording and Alembic bass mixing, may clouds the instrument(s) "sound identities" to where, it just sounds like any bass guitar. Or... perhaps it just me, and I can't tell the differences from one bass to the next... or maybe the artist makes his or her bass sound like any ordinary bass... (Who knows). I just think (believe) people should list their sources (instruments) for the listening audience gaining a greater understanding of the sounds used. There might be a note one wish to replicate, enhance or avoid altogether with such information. Just my opinion, no harm intended. | ||
| briant
Advanced Member Username: briant Post Number: 335 Registered: 12-2004 |
"A fond memory I have from high school was when I saw that Rush listed 'plywood' as an instrument on their album 'Moving Pictures'." You can hear said plywood for the first time at 2:28 into "YYZ". The weird "snare" sound is a piece of plywood being broken over the back of a folding chair. True story. Of course nearly everyone knows that "YYZ" is the airport code for the Toronto international airport (where Rush is originally from). And the song's opening riff is "YYZ" in morse code. | ||
| elwoodblue
Senior Member Username: elwoodblue Post Number: 715 Registered: 6-2002 |
Nice bits of info, thanks Briant. I didn't know it was morse code. Now I'm gonna have to listen for the 'chair' next time I hear YYZ . | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 3928 Registered: 7-2004 |
I too saw John Hartford with his stompboard. "I'm gonna see you get that Golden Globe Award ... for both of your globes, You can stick them in my face just any old time, Your golden globes there ain't none better Gotta have 'em both 'cause they both go together, Gonna see you get that Golden Globe Award" Bill, tgo | ||
| basstard
Advanced Member Username: basstard Post Number: 280 Registered: 3-2003 |
I'm not going to have "Alembic bass" put next to my name in the credits of my band's CD that is to be released later this year (mainly because Alembics were not the only basses I used there) but I think I might include the Wickershams and all the wizards of Santa Rosa in the "thanks" section ;-) | ||
| chalie_holmes
Member Username: chalie_holmes Post Number: 86 Registered: 3-2009 |
When I release my CD I'll state the basses that that I use because I'll be using a few of them too. In addition, my friend Kenny Wittman made an awsome 5 string for me. I asked Kenny to put a 5 pin in the bass so I can smoothly transition from my Alembic to the Wittman and split the Bartolini pickups which he did. I gotta mention his axe! Granted it is not an Alembic but my Wittman has it's own unique tones and can kick ass too! Did I mention my Wittman is a "one of a kind"? | ||
| pace
Senior Member Username: pace Post Number: 404 Registered: 4-2004 |
I remember reading the credits on a recording that fellow club member Dean M did (probably 10 years ago), and along with all the other players endorsements it read something like "Dean M uses Alembic basses exclusively". I always thought that was funny...... No artist endorsements, but Susan can't stop us from endorsing her... lol.... A couple of years ago I auditioned for a band (the guitarists are a couple of uber-gearheads), got the gig, etc etc... A couple of days later I was on the bands website and in the anouncements section was "we have a new bass player, his name is Mike, and he plays ALEMBICS, watch out"..... I thought it was hysterical, because during the audition I don't think any of us talked gear, let alone had the "Olympic?!?" conversation! | ||
| pauldo
Intermediate Member Username: pauldo Post Number: 167 Registered: 6-2006 |
I recently finished a cd Dexter Bracket. and I had the producer specifically put down "Alembic Distillate Bass". It only shows up on the actual CD liner notes and not on the web page bio information. (you may download all of the songs for free on the website - or pay for shipping and get the cd with the cool liner notes) (Message edited by pauldo on June 18, 2009) | ||
| serialnumber12
Senior Member Username: serialnumber12 Post Number: 473 Registered: 12-2004 |
if you pluck & smooth yo baby then you bring out the 'ALEMBIC' in your bass that's when it speak's for it's self!http://mghost.musicgroups.com/sitephp/musicians/public/music.php?Music=kbarnes | ||
| dadabass2001
Senior Member Username: dadabass2001 Post Number: 1178 Registered: 6-2002 |
Pauldo, The Dexter Bracket CD sounds real good, I particularly like your tone on "Sweet Life" and "Baby's Cry" Mike | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 1545 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think it was in a Marcus Miller interview where he stated that " People seem to enjoy music more when they know who is playing it." Maybe that is true with instruments too. Unless the person listening to the music is aware of the brand of instrument, i can't see how being told it was alembic or Fodera or Ritter etc would enhance their enjoyment of the music at all. For those who do know or can hear the subtle differences that a certain instrument gives then i can see how that would enhance their pleasure of listening to a piece of music, especially if it was an instrument they too wned or were aspiring to. :-) if I recorded my album I would indeed list the instruments and brand names. Jazzyvee (Message edited by jazzyvee on June 21, 2009) | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 1546 Registered: 6-2002 |
(Message edited by jazzyvee on June 21, 2009) | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 1046 Registered: 3-2004 |
Its for the gearheads and for a few of us a point of pride that we chose our instruments with more than a modicum of care. I have listed them when i was consulted on the liner notes. | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 753 Registered: 6-2007 |
I do believe Jazz and other improvisational forms of music, is the "deep end of the music pool" and far more listeners of this art form, are musicians themselves, and it would come natural (or should be a normal question) to dare ask performers to list your sources... Knowing the details, is a good thing and it should be a standard for people who document great works (Message edited by hendixclarke on June 21, 2009) | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 2281 Registered: 10-2002 |
"I do believe Jazz and other improvisational forms of music, is the "deep end of the music pool" and far more listeners of this art form, are musicians themselves" And yet, most gear endorsers work in the Rock genre and you can almost guarantee that if you walk into your local instrument store, the majority of customers will be trying out rock oriented instruments and playing riffs from their favourite rock musicians. I don't think I've ever walked into a store and heard a kid playing jazz. So, the point is, in my opinion, it's the younger, rock oriented audience who are most interested in what their heroes are playing. Oh, another point, the idea that jazz listeners are any more likely to be musicians than folk, rock, dance, classical fans hasn't been valid for a long time. Graeme | ||
| hendixclarke
Senior Member Username: hendixclarke Post Number: 755 Registered: 6-2007 |
Some music forms, are like wearing Mickey Mouse Ears. The ears look great while at Disneyland, but wearing them outside the park, people will wonder about you... However, it's not just Mickey's ears to blame... for those pointed Birthday hats I wear for my child's birthday, are also a "no no" However, I can only speak from my experience. I appreciate Jazz to the level of inspiration -- to play Jazz. Jazz is my "Mother-Tongue" meaning: I dream it, I wake up to it, and it inspires me to think openly about other forms of music. My world evolves around Jazz and everywhere I go, restaurants, Hotels, Museums, Plazas, and even Disneyland people are playing it loud. Sorry if I offended you for not mentioning the music you mentioned, your point is well taken. |
