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kol
Junior
Username: kol

Post Number: 17
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 10:08 am:   Edit Post

Can anyone tell me if it is possible to fit in another low-pass-filter on my Rouge-5?
crgaston
Senior Member
Username: crgaston

Post Number: 611
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Saturday, August 21, 2010 - 10:59 am:   Edit Post

It sure is. Check out 99Q12212 Wenge Rogue in the Showcase. It has two filters.
kol
Junior
Username: kol

Post Number: 18
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 2:43 am:   Edit Post

Thank you cragston for the help.Do you think this was custom made? Just curious because I want to find out if I can get my bass an upgrade.
adriaan
Moderator
Username: adriaan

Post Number: 2568
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 4:16 am:   Edit Post

The size of the pickup cavity may be a large enogh - why not post a pic of the cavity (with the cover off, of course).
crgaston
Senior Member
Username: crgaston

Post Number: 615
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 5:32 am:   Edit Post

Kol, I believe you can. Call Mica and she will give you the best answer on how to proceed, as well as a price.
jazzyvee
Senior Member
Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 2093
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 6:36 am:   Edit Post

I wondered about that same thing for my Europa 5 bass a while back so I will be interested in the outcome of this thread.

Jazzyvee
kol
Junior
Username: kol

Post Number: 19
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Sunday, August 22, 2010 - 1:22 pm:   Edit Post

Thank you guys. Back from playing this evening. Will investigate more tomorrow. Here in Norway it`s bedtime nowby now!
lmiwa
Advanced Member
Username: lmiwa

Post Number: 311
Registered: 2-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post

I asked Mica the same thing about a 6string Rogue. The answer is yes you can, but you will be purchasing the equivalent of a full set of Signature electronics. With one filter, it affects the signal after the blend. With two filters, they affect each pickup separately. That difference is HUGELY significant in the sound, but also requires significantly different circuitry.
mario_farufyno
Senior Member
Username: mario_farufyno

Post Number: 493
Registered: 9-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 24, 2010 - 7:43 pm:   Edit Post

and, as it seems, a significant amount of cash either... ouch!
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 6899
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 5:25 pm:   Edit Post

Because of the control layout on 99Q12212, I think it was a retrofit. I have a vague recollection that it was pretty difficult to cram everything in there.

Compare the size of your backplate to the Wengé Rogue. If it looks to be the same size, it's probably something you can handle if drilling holes in an Alembic doesn't turn your stomach. If your backplate is smaller, then the job will need to be done by a local professional. It's not practical to send it to us from Norway for such a modification.
smokin_dave
Advanced Member
Username: smokin_dave

Post Number: 325
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 8:52 pm:   Edit Post

I would be interested in knowing the price of such an upgrade since I would very much like to have another low pass filter on my Rogue.I'm not to squeamish about another hole being drilled as long as it is done the right way.
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 6902
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Thursday, August 26, 2010 - 12:39 pm:   Edit Post

Dave, compare the backplates like I described in post 6899 and write me an email with what you find. If you can include a nice clear picture of the inside of the electronics cavity, that would be even better.
kol
Junior
Username: kol

Post Number: 20
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Friday, August 27, 2010 - 1:28 pm:   Edit Post

This is how it looks like in the cavity of my Rogue.Have done some upgrade already to get rid of earthing problems.Have got a nice sound.Just ask if someone want to know more about it.
The pic is not very good,but I hope it will do the job.image
bassilisk
Member
Username: bassilisk

Post Number: 80
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:32 am:   Edit Post

I was out on vacation last week so I'm just finding this thread. The previous owner of my Rogue had another full set of controls added - 2 tone switches and another Q, so now there's a set for each pickup. Clearly, he ordered it that way because they're symmetrically located.

At any rate, I really like having the extra flexibility and use it often. Good luck with your upgrade - I'm sure you'll enjoy it!

Extra Q
tmoney61092
Senior Member
Username: tmoney61092

Post Number: 475
Registered: 9-2008
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 9:45 am:   Edit Post

Will, i thought the reflectiono of the camera on the finish was some type of secret input jack :-p, beatiful bass though!

~Taylor
bassilisk
Member
Username: bassilisk

Post Number: 81
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Tuesday, August 31, 2010 - 11:10 am:   Edit Post

LOL! Thanks Taylor! Just another reflection of the cyclops! (I used to be better at picking up that kind of thing....)

Will
kol
Junior
Username: kol

Post Number: 21
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Monday, September 06, 2010 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post

Thank you all for helpful tips on the uppgrade.
I`m still in the beginning of the prosess.Waiting for guidance from Alembic.
In the meantime,here is a better pic of my cavity.
Greetings from Norwayimage
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 6929
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Wednesday, September 08, 2010 - 6:12 pm:   Edit Post

Adding a filter (or a filter and Q switch) is probably best achieved by taking the existing electronics out and using them in another project and replacing with Signature electronics. You can keep the bass and treble switches in this bass and have them either dedicated to one pickup or the overall sound.

Working around the existing holes, something like this could function:

possible mod

The dotted line represents a small undercut you might need to make to accommodate the extra Q switch and make the layout look like it wasn't an afterthought. The green dot is where I'd put the volume control. I'd use the existing volume location for the new filter, and leave the pan and original filter locations the same.
kol
Junior
Username: kol

Post Number: 22
Registered: 1-2003
Posted on Friday, September 10, 2010 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post

Thank you Mica for helpful info.What I need to know is the price for having the Signature electronics.

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