| Author | Message | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 148 Registered: 6-2002 |
The first time I operate the Q-switch on my bass after plugging the jack lead in it makes an electric click sound which comes through the speaker like a discharging capacitance. Then If i don't use the switch for a long period then switch it again, it makes the same click. If i am playing pieces where i need to make regular changes to the position of the switches then this doesn't happen. Is there somehow a charge building up in a capacitor somewhere that is causing this? Any adjustments I can make to stop this as the longer the delay between using the switches means the eventual click will become louder. Up till now I have got used to switching on and off to discharge any charges building up. It's become more noticeable lately as I've been playing music that needs far more tonal variation than usual. Vince | ||
| rogertvr
Advanced Member Username: rogertvr Post Number: 244 Registered: 1-2003 |
Vince, I can fully relate to this. The Dragon's Wing does this too - it is based on an MK Deluxe. However, because I use a compressor with an expander on it, I only notice it if I move a Q switch in mid song, or the compressor is turned off. Do you have a problem with the volume of the instrument increasing if you rotate the pan control either way from the centre postition? Rog | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 1905 Registered: 6-2000 |
If you've got clicking on Q switches Vince, check the switch to see if there is a cap soldered to it. This was added sometime in the last couple of years, it's not the sort of thing we are obsessive about recording. Since we made them for over twenty years without, once in a while a new one slips through without the added cap. I'll dig up a picture and post it on this thread in a little while so you can compare and then see where to add the part. What Roger is referring to with the pan control is typical of all Signature electronics. This is an open engineering item on Ron's schedule and when the revision instructions are available, they will be readily shared. | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 1907 Registered: 6-2000 |
Of course, everywhere I refer to "cap" above should be "1Meg resistor" Here's how you hook it up:  | ||
| senmen
Advanced Member Username: senmen Post Number: 355 Registered: 7-2003 |
Vince, I had the same problem with my Spyder4. The problem is caused, as Mica told you, by the missing capacitors on the q-switches. So check like Mica told you and ask for a replacement. Many greetings Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rogertvr
Advanced Member Username: rogertvr Post Number: 245 Registered: 1-2003 |
I've just removed the back plate from the DW - that has a capacitor as shown here on both Q switches. I should stress that the click I get is not a massive thud, but I can hear the fact that the switch has been switched through my amplifier, even at a fairly low volume and it is enough to force the level LEDs on my mixer to light up (all this applies only if I have my compressor turned off or I switch the switch in a quiet passage of music). Rog | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 1909 Registered: 6-2000 |
It's actually the resistor you need to confirm that you have - it's the stripey part across the terminals of the switch. Roger, if you could reply to your open request email on the pan pot and add this additional information about the the click, that may help us resolve your pan pot issue knowing all the details. Thanks. | ||
| senmen
Advanced Member Username: senmen Post Number: 357 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rog, exactly the same with my Spyder4. I had changed the parts and have now the capacitors on the Q´s but you still can notice a slight clicking sound when switching. It is not as strong as before without the capacitors, but still noticeable.... Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rogertvr
Advanced Member Username: rogertvr Post Number: 246 Registered: 1-2003 |
The resistors I have are the same as the one shown in the picture above (blue background, brown/yellow/blue (black?) rings) and soldered as shown above. I have just been trying the DW through headphones using my mixer, to see if I can replicate the problem to demand. The neck pick-up is the main culprit by the sounds of it and clicks on virtually every switching use, but the bridge one will only do it occasionally. Rog | ||
| rogertvr
Advanced Member Username: rogertvr Post Number: 247 Registered: 1-2003 |
P.S. Can I add that the reason that I haven't really noticed the clicking so much when my compressor is turned off is probably due to the fact that I don't use the neck pick-up Q switch that much. Rog | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 149 Registered: 6-2002 |
Thanks for the info Mica, I will have a look at the weekend when the gigs are out of the way :-). Rogertvr, yes I do have the volume increase as you move away from the centre indent on the pan control. But like most things you learn to automatically adjust the volume just after you move the pan so that the level increase is minimised. However it would be nice if it didn't do that. Another thing that comes to mind. Ive just had yet another string break on me, fortunately during my practice at home and not on a gig. This is about the 4th set of strings in about a year or so that have broken just at the point where the string goes over the bridge and is either the D or G string. Well previously it's always been the D' string but yesterday the G-string went.... ( no smutty comments about breaking G-strings please ;-)... ) Could it be something to do with the saddles? I do play heavy sometimes but not all. Jazzyvee | ||
| son_of_magni
Member Username: son_of_magni Post Number: 96 Registered: 1-2004 |
My custom also clicks the first time I use the switches after starting to play, and I think the 1 meg resistors are installed. Tonight I'll try to measure them to make sure they're good. In fact maybe I'll swap them out with a 500k to see how much that helps. | ||
| dela217
Senior Member Username: dela217 Post Number: 444 Registered: 6-2002 |
I am going to put this resistor on my custom too. This is one of the reasons that I stopped using it. Hopefully this will fix that problem. | ||
| davehouck
Senior Member Username: davehouck Post Number: 799 Registered: 5-2002 |
I used to break a lot of strings too, mainly the A string, at the bridge. I tried lightly sanding the saddles. Eventually, the problem went away. I don't know whether it was the sanding of the saddles, or gradual change in playing style, or even a change in string type. I just can't remember. I'm thinking the problem went away before I changed string type; and I'm inclined to believe that sanding the saddles did fix the problem. | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 152 Registered: 6-2002 |
Mica, I opened the back on my bass yesterday to change the battery and had a look at the switches and those 1meg resistors are not there so I'll have a look for some in the electronic shop an solder them into place. Cheers Jazzyvee | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 1921 Registered: 6-2000 |
I suspected your bass was old enough that they wouldn't be included. It's only been a couple of years that we've been adding them. Let me know how it works wonce you get them installed. | ||
| jlpicard
Member Username: jlpicard Post Number: 84 Registered: 7-2002 |
Does this also apply to Q switches on basses with Europa type electronics? | ||
| echo008
Member Username: echo008 Post Number: 89 Registered: 2-2003 |
Hi All, I am currently having this same problem with my neck Q and I just wanted to know Should I get 1/2 Watt or 1/4 Watt 1 Meg resistors? Does it matter? thanks - Tom | ||
| xlrogue6
Member Username: xlrogue6 Post Number: 80 Registered: 8-2002 |
Either one will work fine. | ||
| echo008
Member Username: echo008 Post Number: 90 Registered: 2-2003 |
thanks ... - Tom | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 1969 Registered: 6-2000 |
For the Europa, here's the placement for the 1Meg resistor:  | ||
| son_of_magni
Intermediate Member Username: son_of_magni Post Number: 120 Registered: 1-2004 |
I finally took the backplate off my Custom and sure enough, no resistors. I installed two 1 meggers and sure enough, no more pops. Thanks Mica! | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 157 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well I took my soldering iron to the Alembic this morning and installed the 1 meg resistors as you said Mica and sure enough no more clicking from the switches. Thanks for that. Jazzyvee. | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 173 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi Mica, I've just started playing the bass again after a run of guitar playing gigs. I notice that the modification for fixing the clicking sound has stopped the clicking but also it has stopped the function of the Q-switches..... When I operate the Q switches there is no change in the sound at all? Any advice? Jazzyvee... | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 2179 Registered: 6-2000 |
The difference in sound is not evident by simply flicking the switch, it affects the attack portion of the note only. Compare a passage you are good at repeating with the switch on and off and listen to the attack of the note. There won't really be any difference from just flicking the switch across a sustained note. Perphaps you can post a picture of the modification you made? Thanks. | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 175 Registered: 6-2002 |
Ok, I will try that and see if I can hear any difference. If not I hope santa gets me a digital camera for christmas so I can send you the picture to check my soldering :-) Jazzyvee | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 581 Registered: 3-2004 |
You hear it better by spinning the filter knob across a sustained note than by flicking the Q switch. | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 176 Registered: 6-2002 |
There is no difference in the attack of the notes when using the switch. There is a difference in the tones available when sustaining a note and spinning the knob. I'm gonna remove the resistors and check the sound again. | ||
| son_of_magni
Intermediate Member Username: son_of_magni Post Number: 149 Registered: 1-2004 |
It sounds like you may have installed the wrong value resistors. If they were 1 ohm for instance, instead of 1 meg, it would be as if the switch was always in the on position. - SoM | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 180 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well that did cross my mind although I did go to a respectable electronics store and ask them for the resistor rather than try to remember the colour coding system. But I will check it asap as I have a gig next Thursday with it. Jazzyvee | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 181 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well that did cross my mind although I did go to a respectable electronics store and ask them for the resistor rather than try to remember the colour coding system. Quick question.... is the resistor colour coding the same in the UK as in the USA? But I will check it asap as I have a gig next Thursday with it. Jazzyvee | ||
| son_of_magni
Intermediate Member Username: son_of_magni Post Number: 150 Registered: 1-2004 |
bad boys rape our young girls but violet gave willingly black brown red orange yellow green blue violet gray white 0 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Of course the best way is to use an ohm meter... - SoM | ||
| jazzyvee
Intermediate Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 183 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well I took the resistor out yesterday evening before rehearsal and the sound is back to normal but with the clicking. So it must be something to do with the resistor. Once the main shops are open after Christmas I'll go to another electronic spares place and get another two 1-Meg resistors and put them in. I don't have an Ohm meter so I'll get the shop them to prior to purchase and get them to check the ones i've just taken out. Cheers Jazzyvee | ||
| terryc
Junior Username: terryc Post Number: 17 Registered: 11-2004 |
This owner of 1993 MK standard is going to take the rear cover off and look tonight although I cannot recall the audible click when using the switches. 1Meg resistor..ooh massive cost of about 5p(UK currency)approx 2 cents in US money and about a pin prick of resin core solder. Will have to listen to volume change on the panpot though..can it be measured with a meter on the output jack and if so what are the readings in milliVolts(if any??) |
