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toddharris
Junior
Username: toddharris

Post Number: 50
Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post

Only $8k!!!

http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/1239733262.html
kungfusheriff
Senior Member
Username: kungfusheriff

Post Number: 849
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, June 26, 2009 - 12:34 pm:   Edit Post

Fake. It's a Fernandes with a counterfeit logo. The rosewood fingerboard is a dead giveaway.
serialnumber12
Senior Member
Username: serialnumber12

Post Number: 476
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, June 27, 2009 - 8:15 am:   Edit Post

yep that's a fernandes all day long!
kungfusheriff
Senior Member
Username: kungfusheriff

Post Number: 851
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 8:44 am:   Edit Post

Now relisted, more accurately, at $2600:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/que/msg/1260322080.html
tdukes
Intermediate Member
Username: tdukes

Post Number: 129
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 11:35 am:   Edit Post

How is this obviously a Fernandes? I am not saying it isn't. I just want to know what makes it obvious.

The '77 series I guitar I have has a rosewood fretboard.

Todd.
hydrargyrum
Senior Member
Username: hydrargyrum

Post Number: 615
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 2:09 pm:   Edit Post

If I remember correctly, you can tell because the five pin adapter doesn't have black plastic around it. I could be wrong.
olieoliver
Senior Member
Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 2613
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 2:15 pm:   Edit Post

My 89 Series II has no black plastic around the 5 pin connector. And it's a genuine Alembic!

OO
olieoliver
Senior Member
Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 2614
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 2:28 pm:   Edit Post

Anyone else ever run across this site?

(Message edited by olieoliver on July 09, 2009)
tdukes
Intermediate Member
Username: tdukes

Post Number: 132
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 3:02 pm:   Edit Post

No. But I have it bookmarked now.

Todd.
kungfusheriff
Senior Member
Username: kungfusheriff

Post Number: 852
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Thursday, July 09, 2009 - 7:33 pm:   Edit Post

Rosewood fingerboard. The knobs are all wrong. The cutaways are wrong. The finish, or possibly the zebrawood, is cloudy-looking. There is no Alembic logo on the pickups or the power supply. That's all I can tell you from the photo. In person, the fel is close but not completely right. They're not bad basses, judged on their own merits, but are only a carbon copy of the real thing.
tdukes
Intermediate Member
Username: tdukes

Post Number: 133
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 1:07 pm:   Edit Post

So what do you make of this guitar? It has rosewood fretboard and no alembic logo on pickups.

Does it look real? Sorry my photography is not very good.

Todd.

77-648 body

77-648 full

77-648 peg

77-648 knobs

77-648 ds5

(Message edited by tdukes on July 10, 2009)
mkazaria
Junior
Username: mkazaria

Post Number: 39
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 1:30 pm:   Edit Post

Real
kungfusheriff
Senior Member
Username: kungfusheriff

Post Number: 853
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 1:57 pm:   Edit Post

Looks legit to me. Seems doubtful that someone would take the time to fake a Switchcraft five-pin jack, or source a real Alembic-type jack to retrofit onto a Fernandes. The fingerboard is probably undyed ebony, which I've been told sometimes looks like rosewood. What is the shop asking for the guitar, or is that your '77?

(Message edited by kungfusheriff on July 10, 2009)
tdukes
Intermediate Member
Username: tdukes

Post Number: 134
Registered: 4-2008
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 2:44 pm:   Edit Post

I bought it from a club member a few months ago. I don't think Sam would scam me, but he only had it about a year.

It's the only Series I I've played so I was wondering if I had missed something. When you discounted the bass above due to the Rosewood fretboard and no Alembic on the pickups it made me worry. I hadn't thought any copies of guitars like this were ever made, but who is to know for sure.

I was surprised to see the rosewood fretboard too, but thats what it says on the wood card (in green ink, see below).

Todd.


77-648 wood
keith_h
Senior Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 1326
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 3:27 pm:   Edit Post

Alembic has made some instruments with rosewood fingerboards. They just aren't common. Also since you have the matching build sheet I would not be concerned with a forgery. I don't ever recall seeing a forgery with a build sheet.

Keith
hieronymous
Senior Member
Username: hieronymous

Post Number: 621
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 4:19 pm:   Edit Post

I don't think the older pickups ('70s?) had "Alembic" stamped into the pickups. Check out some of the Series I guitars & basses in the showcase section...
lbpesq
Senior Member
Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 3993
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 4:35 pm:   Edit Post

My '76 Series I guitar has a rosewood fingerboard.

Bill, tgo
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 6241
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Friday, July 10, 2009 - 4:46 pm:   Edit Post

Plenty of Rosewood (and other woods) for fingerboards, especially on early models. The real kicker for the Fernandes guitars for me is the placement of the pickup selector plate. It's too close to the strings. Also, most of the Fernandes guitars are Zebrawood. I also tend to think the neck laminations are a little wider than typical.

So whenever I see a Zebrawood small body, I take a closer look. Of course, in person, you can just take off the backplate for a confirmation, which is what the seller of this guitar did for me. He believed it to be a genuine Alembic when he purchased it, and was not aware he had been duped. The logo appears genuine in a photo he emailed me, but I have a suspicion that it was a pendant in a previous life. One of the many reasons we don't sell logos for remote installation.

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