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jcdlc72
Junior
Username: jcdlc72

Post Number: 39
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 6:47 am:   Edit Post

Greets!. I don't know if this post really belongs here, but anyway.

I was browsing thru eBay, and found this Epic for sale. But I am somewhat amazed, I find the body shape is not the same as my Epic, or any other Epic I've seen anyway. It seems like the upper horn is somewhat shorter...

Is it me, or is there really some sort of mod to this body shape?


CHeck the auction (and pics) here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ALEMBIC-EPIC-4-STRING-BASS-GUITAR-GREAT-CONDITION_W0QQitemZ200434513860QQcmdZViewItemQQptZGuitar?hash=item2eaad3f7c4#ht_11471wt_1026
mike1762
Senior Member
Username: mike1762

Post Number: 458
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 3:32 pm:   Edit Post

I think it's the "weird" camera angles. The Vermillion is a nice touch.
adriaan
Senior Member
Username: adriaan

Post Number: 2413
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 4:33 pm:   Edit Post

No, the horn is most definitely shorter than normal:
Short-horn Epic 98W11681
If it's a refinish, it's a pretty good one.
bassfingers
Advanced Member
Username: bassfingers

Post Number: 270
Registered: 11-2005
Posted on Friday, February 05, 2010 - 6:04 pm:   Edit Post

Looks like someone was going for the look of a singlcut.I can't decide if they succeeded or just maimed a gorgeous bass!.
jbybj
Advanced Member
Username: jbybj

Post Number: 265
Registered: 6-2006
Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 11:25 am:   Edit Post

Reminds me of the top horn of a Thunderbird. Still feels "organic" to me.
toddharris
Intermediate Member
Username: toddharris

Post Number: 186
Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Saturday, February 06, 2010 - 2:19 pm:   Edit Post

It doesn't look like anyone has done anything to it. It's always hard to see the shape at an angle - look at the picture of the back on the listing - it looks right. What I don't like is his obscure remark about not including the hard case unless the price goes up a few hundred dollars - makes it hard to know what you will actually get for your money.
lbpesq
Senior Member
Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 4311
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Sunday, February 07, 2010 - 9:23 am:   Edit Post

The top horn is definitely shorter than standard. On the regular Epic, the end of the top horn is roughly at the 11th fret up from the bottom. On this one, it is at the 8th fret from the bottom. Still, it looks like it may have come like this from the factory. If this was an aftermarket job, it looks like a very good one to me.

Bill, tgo
mica
Moderator
Username: mica

Post Number: 6603
Registered: 6-2000
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 6:33 pm:   Edit Post

This bass was not born with the present shape. It was on ebay a few years ago with this same modification, I remember it.
jcdlc72
Junior
Username: jcdlc72

Post Number: 41
Registered: 11-2009
Posted on Tuesday, February 09, 2010 - 7:19 pm:   Edit Post

It looks awkward. :-( At least to me.
jacko
Senior Member
Username: jacko

Post Number: 2566
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 4:33 am:   Edit Post

It's possibly had an accident sometime in the past, maybe the straplock ripped out and someone reshaped the ripped wood instead of filling it.

Graeme
mike1762
Senior Member
Username: mike1762

Post Number: 464
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Wednesday, February 10, 2010 - 5:07 am:   Edit Post

Bo Diddley would have liked it...
kungfusheriff
Senior Member
Username: kungfusheriff

Post Number: 913
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 12:55 pm:   Edit Post

Now at Bass Northwest for (GASP!) $1999!
terrace
Junior
Username: terrace

Post Number: 16
Registered: 3-2008
Posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 3:01 pm:   Edit Post

It seems that it's now for sale @ Bass Northwest
for $2K.
southpaw
Advanced Member
Username: southpaw

Post Number: 249
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 6:57 pm:   Edit Post

I am very disappointed with Bass Northwest. As an Alembic dealer I find it disturbing that:
1) They do not mention the modification, the ad says "This bass is in beautiful condition", except for the large chunk of wood missing from it. There is no way that bass will balance correctly, the strap button is now at the 17th fret on a 34" scale bass.
2)$2K?? it was recently purchased for $1085 for it from EBay. I hope they update their ad to mention the modification, after all it says Alembic on it. What a shame on so many levels. Profit or reputation...hmmm...

(Message edited by southpaw on February 19, 2010)

(Message edited by southpaw on February 22, 2010)
elwoodblue
Senior Member
Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1007
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, February 19, 2010 - 7:23 pm:   Edit Post

I agree southpaw.
High prices aside, the mod should be in the first sentence of the description.
pas
Advanced Member
Username: pas

Post Number: 230
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 5:52 am:   Edit Post

Last time I checked, Bass Northwest was no longer listed as an Alembic dealer on this site, and they haven't caried any new Alembics in ages...I think they're out of the loop. The one time I tried to do business with them, the fellow I spoke with on the phone came across as rather surly. Perhaps it's best they're no longer an Alembic dealer.
southpaw
Advanced Member
Username: southpaw

Post Number: 250
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 10:19 am:   Edit Post

Right you are Pas, Bass Northwest is no longer an Alembic dealer. How foolish of any business to engaged in such deception in the age of the internet. How many thousands of musicians are checking this site regularly and will now have second thoughts about dealing with Bass Northwest? The internet has made this a much smaller world and smart businesses should realize this.
dannobasso
Senior Member
Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 1210
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, February 20, 2010 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post

Though I agree that the mod should be clearly stated and the price should be lower, I did buy a used bass and new amp head from them and it was a painless process.
svlilioukalani
Member
Username: svlilioukalani

Post Number: 69
Registered: 6-2008
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 4:39 am:   Edit Post

BassNW is one of the few stores that still values honesty. In a world ruled by places like guitar center, they are always a breath of fresh air.

You guys are kind of extreme. BassNW sells used basses on consignment. They will sell a bass for what ever the customer tells them to. Seems kind of high, but some fool is going to come a long and buy it. And like the shape more. They have turned a bunch of Alembic basses recently for some crazy high prices. Why bitch, this is increasing the value of your bass.
effclef
Senior Member
Username: effclef

Post Number: 578
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 4:45 am:   Edit Post

I was going to speak up, too - yep, they sell on consignment, so whoever bought the ebay bass (with only 19 feedback; ebay hides the buyer's ID now) probably marched it into BassNW wanting to flip it for nearly twice that. They've seen lots of Alembics, sure, but with Alembic doing custom work they might have missed the fact it doesn't look like an everyday Epic. I agree, with the internet and word of mouth, it's important to have great customer service and attention to detail - but cut BassNW some slack unless/until they chime in with a voice of their own, here. Maybe someone can email or call them.
j_gary
Advanced Member
Username: j_gary

Post Number: 274
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:25 am:   Edit Post

While I understand wanting to be fair with BNW, I bought a very nice Rick from them last year, I think they need to watch what they sell. An analogy would be a car dealer selling a car claiming it's 100% when any knowledgable car guy would know better. A new young bassist could think he is buying a dream bass only to find out later it's not even close.
kungfusheriff
Senior Member
Username: kungfusheriff

Post Number: 914
Registered: 8-2003
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:31 am:   Edit Post

I agree with effclef. My first Alembic came from Bass NW, in modified condition, which they were honest about and the price reflected the mods. That was the only instrument I've bought from them but I have had very positive contact with them over the years. Even in a recession, trying to make a quick buck by pulling a fast one would be out of step with their business practices as I experienced them. More likely that someone bought the bass on eBay for $1085, didn't like it, and put it on consignment in hopes of making a profit.

We should remember to be careful of remarks based on groundless assumption, because careless remarks can easily be taken as truth and spread, causing needless and baseless damage to an honest broker's reputation. None of us would want that done to us, I'm sure.
effclef
Senior Member
Username: effclef

Post Number: 579
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:36 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for those excellent points, KFS. BassNW - if they are no longer an Alembic dealer, that's too bad for us - is still a great source for lots of great basses. And in this economy, the fact they have four used Alembics in stock is a really nice thing overall. I did email Evan and hopefully he will let me/us know what's up with this Epic.
edwin
Senior Member
Username: edwin

Post Number: 502
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 2:25 pm:   Edit Post

BassNW has updated the listing and mentioned the mod. I've always had great dealings with them.
southpaw
Advanced Member
Username: southpaw

Post Number: 251
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 2:54 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks for the info guys, it's good to know there have been positive experiences. I still believe BNW knew it was a chopped up Epic since they were an Alembic dealer for years and have sold many, many Alembics including Epics. As for the price, I guess it is up to the buyer. No ill will intended towards BNW, I am glad they corrected the listing.
southpaw
Advanced Member
Username: southpaw

Post Number: 252
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 3:26 pm:   Edit Post

Svlilioukalani, I see you are in Seattle so you are probably a regular customer. I trust you if you say BNW can be fair & honest, thank you. Please know I am not trying to be extreme, I am only trying to protect the "fool" you mention who would unknowingly purchase the bass thinking they are getting a genuine Epic and protect Alembic;s reputation. As stated before, there is no way that bass is going to balance in its present condition, the headstock will hit the floor quicker than a prom dress!
If it was an honest mistake, so be it, but it should be noted that the description did not change until effcleff emailed BNW. I did not intend to offend anyone, my apology for any offense, I have edited my post so as not to cause any further issue but like many Club members I will speak out when I see something not right regarding Alembic instruments, we need to watch out for each other when possible.
Thanks for the positive messages.
edwin
Senior Member
Username: edwin

Post Number: 503
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 6:41 pm:   Edit Post

Not to be argumentative, but I don't see what keeps it from being a genuine Epic if it has had some woodwork done. Many instruments spend a good portion of their lives as a work in progress (my Series I sure has!) and this instrument still has all its original electronics and pretty much all the aspects that make it an Alembic. I do think that there are instruments out there, with gutted electronics, hardware, etc. that would create some serious concern, but if someone can live with their prom dress down around their ankles, then more power to them!

I do agree about the price, though. That seems like an overoptimistic consigner and I don't imagine that bass will walk out the door any time soon.

Edwin
southpaw
Advanced Member
Username: southpaw

Post Number: 253
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 8:33 pm:   Edit Post

You are correct Edwin, it is a "genuine" Epic, it was the lack of information describing its life thus far as a "work in progress" that was a cause for concern. Shame on me for using the the word genuine. I must say, it was a well done alteration but for anyone familiar with Alembics, the alarm bell should have sounded immediately, one phone call to Alembic would have cleared it up within minutes.
afrobeat_fool
Intermediate Member
Username: afrobeat_fool

Post Number: 161
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 8:37 pm:   Edit Post

Now that I am the owner of Edwin's Series 1, I am glad to have all those mod's he did. It made it a better bass for me. And now that I have a bridge, I will be modding the Hyak I got last weekend, thanks to you, Edwin.


Nick
edwin
Senior Member
Username: edwin

Post Number: 504
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, February 22, 2010 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post

How does that bridge fit?

As far as mods go, Allen Woody snarled at me when he saw my Starfire, but changed his tune when he heard it.

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