| Author | Message | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 24 Registered: 10-2007 |
Ok. .... is the bass strings "on top" or? Will also need the string size for the octave strings. I'm guessing that the bass strings are standard, .045 .065 .080 .105. Oh!...forgot. The scale? 34"? | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 736 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, if you look down the bass wearing it they are starting with the thing strings, then the bass strings. As said e/E a/A d/D g/G. This is the old style setup where you can play ideally with a pick. 8string sizes are: 1st-G 2nd-G 3rd-D 4th-D 5th-A 6th-A 7th-E 8th-E .040 .020 .055 .025 .070 .035 .090 .045 And of course both necks at 34" Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| keurosix
Advanced Member Username: keurosix Post Number: 288 Registered: 10-2005 |
Rob, Are you working in 3D? Can you view the guitars in a .sat file with a program such as Spatial Technologies ACIS Viewer? This is a really cool way to show off the entire model. Kris | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 25 Registered: 10-2007 |
I only work in AutoCAD 2002. So the standard file type is .dwg. There are many other programs ,newer ones,that probably be a lot better. But I know how to do things in A-CAD, so that is what I work with. | ||
| cozmik_cowboy
Advanced Member Username: cozmik_cowboy Post Number: 296 Registered: 10-2006 |
"So the standard file type is .dwg." .Dragonwing??? Perfect! Peter | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 26 Registered: 10-2007 |
LOL....... can't belive I missed that one. Oliver. Any accent laminates? Pinstripes? Body wood is "mahogny", or rather my attempt at it. | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 737 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, just as on my DW. Core Wood is actual Walnut. Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 27 Registered: 10-2007 |
Step three. Now with necks.  | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 738 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, wow. You´re great man!!!! Thank you so much.... Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 28 Registered: 10-2007 |
Step four. Quick peghead design check. There's a large risk that the strings will not clear all string poles. Redesign might be in order.  The lower peghead is just a mirrored upper. With more tuners. ;) (Message edited by rob_the_fiend on April 27, 2008) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 740 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, well you are the CAD master. Great work!!! I already spoke to Mica rgdg this project so you see that this is really used. I need this beast... :-) As with the 8er peghead this will not work I think. What about having the normal DW peghead made a big longer and have the tunners arrayed like on Johns Status Buzzard with 6 tuners on the left and two on the right? What do you think? Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 29 Registered: 10-2007 |
Maybe 3 high and 5 low? o O o O o O o O o = Guitar tuner O = Bass tuner | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 741 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, I would rather suggest not to have the lower peghead mirrored. What do you think of this arrangement, see pic below  Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 30 Registered: 10-2007 |
Like this:  Only 1.5" (38.1 mm) longer. (Message edited by rob_the_fiend on April 27, 2008) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 742 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, if we would use this we need to place 4 on the left side as it will not work with the string spacing. But I would like to see the peghead in a normal position as well to decide what would look better. Could you do this? Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| fc_spoiler
Senior Member Username: fc_spoiler Post Number: 695 Registered: 5-2006 |
I do'nt see why it won't work with the string spacing...?  I think the reverse version looks much meaner (in combination with the other neck) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 31 Registered: 10-2007 |
Two variations. Maybe it will look better with the pegheads the same way...  | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 743 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, personally (my taste) I would prefer the two pegheads in line, classic layout. This looks more smooth to me. What do you think? Could you put a vermillion veneer on the tops of the headstock?  As for the tailpiece I like the double version you showed on the original photo. Electronicwise I would go for the same 20th Anniversary than in my actual DW and only for one set of electronics due to lack of space, means knob layout as on my DW and with an additional selector switch for the two necks, maybe located centered in the space behind the two bridge pickups?  Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 32 Registered: 10-2007 |
Ok. Do You know where I can get some drawings/blueprints of the knobs and the selector switches? Isn't the area behind the bridges and in front of the tailpiece better for a switch? | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 744 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, yep that would be a great place, better I think. As for drawings I must pass; if I remember there are some pictures on the Alembic store? Would this help too? Will take a look.... Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 745 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, only these photos   Oliver (Spyderman) (Message edited by davehouck on August 10, 2008) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 33 Registered: 10-2007 |
Must be somewere it can be found.... who is the manufacturer? I don't think Alembic makes those things themselves. | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2007 |
Found one of them .... now... size? http://www.ehcknobs.com/selector/index.php?series=109&action=step6&level=3&group=109P | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 746 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, the pointer knob has a height of 1,2cms, a lenght from round end to point of 1,8cms and a diameter where the round part goes into the angle of 1,2cms. The round knobs are 2,15cms height in total, 1,9 without the lower rim, diameter is 2,5cms at base and at top it has 1,5cms. Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 35 Registered: 10-2007 |
Thanks. That should do it, or, close enough. ;) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 747 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, btw are you working on a pc or a mac? Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2007 |
PC. I've never used a Mac. | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 748 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, could you alternatively put the other small tuner also on the right side while taking the tuners on the right side in line with those on the left side while keeping the long length of the headstock. Think it would look better to have them equal on both sides. Cheers Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 749 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hi Rob, did you read my last message? Many greetings Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 37 Registered: 10-2007 |
Yepp. I did. And I think You are right, it would look better. Will redesign it soon. | ||
| fish
Member Username: fish Post Number: 65 Registered: 6-2006 |
HMMMM Mica, what would the weight be on a DDW? | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2007 |
The tuners alone will be 680 grams (1.5 lbs). If Mica can get me the average density for each of the woods involved, also the brass, and the weight of the electronics + pickups. I can get a very good estimate of the total weight. | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 750 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob,Fish, Tears for John, single DW, weighs exactly 5kgs. As my DDW would get only one electronic set you could guess what it would weigh. I think Mica is busy on doing an estimate for me....serious. Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| fish
Member Username: fish Post Number: 66 Registered: 6-2006 |
Oliver, perhaps we can get a "two for one" sale : ) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 39 Registered: 10-2007 |
Step five. Controls, Tailpiece and Bridgeblocks. And the peghead You wanted...will fix it with the laminates later... Vermilion as top layer? What of the others, how many and what wood?  | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 751 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, This looks awesome. Wow. Top wood of the peghead vermillion. Could you install the miniswitches as on ms DW and the input jack? Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 40 Registered: 10-2007 |
Step 5.5 ... ;) The miniswitches are steel, not plastic as it looks on your picture. I moved the "neck selector" a little closer to the bridges. The shadows are volumes/raytraced, took 106 min to render the full size picture (3400x2300).  | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 738 Registered: 11-2004 |
I want one. I need one of Paul's stockings.... | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 752 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, wow wow wow. Yes the switches are steel, also on TFJ. Could you bring the pickupselector a very small bit towards the master vol? The vermillion tops on the heads and what do you think of standard oval inlays on the 8string neck? (see also my mail to you) Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 41 Registered: 10-2007 |
What are the sizes of the ovals on the different positions? | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 42 Registered: 10-2007 |
Having fun with textures... learning how to get reflective surfaces. WIP.  Can anyone tell me what the font is that is used on the pickups? | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 754 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, really cool. Thank you very much!!!! As said, Mica is working on an estimate for me for this beast. Many thanks my friend Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rami
Senior Member Username: rami Post Number: 800 Registered: 6-2002 |
Wow Rob! For a guy who doesn't play an instrument, you're a very talented guy. It's been really exciting to watch an idea come to life. It's just spectacular. I really hope you do in fact build this Oliver. It'll become a Alembic classic.  | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 43 Registered: 10-2007 |
Trying not to blush ... ;-) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 755 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rami, yes Rob has really done an awesome work. I am waiting on an estimate from Mica on this and then I think I have to put out the stockings for a bank robbery...... :-) But you are right, this could be a new Alembic classic...... Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| mica
Moderator Username: mica Post Number: 5299 Registered: 6-2000 |
The logo isn't a font, it's hand drawn letters. But there are some fonts that resemble it closely (myfonts.com is always a good resource). I've already given Oliver the rough estimate for this build (about the price of 2 Dragon Wing basses). It shouldn't be too much longer to work up an official detailed quote. | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 44 Registered: 10-2007 |
Thanks Mica. Do You have a large resolution image of the logo? I can work from that. Latest rendering.... strange... it's less space between the neck pickup and the neck than on the images of Oliver's DW!?!? Must have gotten some measurement wrong.  | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 756 Registered: 7-2003 |
Rob, here are the sizes for the oval fingerboard inlays for the 8string neck: 3rd fret Length 2,2cms Width (at broadest point) 1,6cms 5th fret Length 1,8cms Width 1,3cms 7th fret Length 1,5cms Width 1,1cms 9th fret Length 1,25cms Width 0,9cms 12th fret Length 3,4cms Width 1,0cms 15th fret Length 1,85cms Width 1,0cms 17th fret Length 1,6cms Width 0,75cms 19th fret Length 1,25cms Width 0,7cms 21st fret Length 0,9cms Width 0,5cms 24th fret Length 1,2cms Width 0,4cms Can you work with these? Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| senmen
Senior Member Username: senmen Post Number: 757 Registered: 7-2003 |
Mica, will send you an email later today for a definite estimate with all the details and specs I want to have on the DDW. Many greetings from sunny Germany Oliver (Spyderman) | ||
| rob_the_fiend
Junior Username: rob_the_fiend Post Number: 45 Registered: 10-2007 |
Oliver, perfect man. That will do. Have to find a material that looks good, there ain't no MOP texture in AutoCAD. |
