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Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:18 am:   Edit Post

this picture is from portland 1979-those of you who know is notice the osage orange wood has really darkened up and notice that the "additional hardware" (located behind the bird tailpiece) is on the bass in this picture-looks like individual string saddles-maybe the original tailpiece was replaced-phils omega cut custom 4 string-my favorite alembic bass!
Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Sunday, October 06, 2002 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post

from guitar player november 1977- explaining a bit about the above bass:

Today the "Godfather" is Phil's spare. His main bass is a custom-made Alembic with additional circuitry designed by George Munday of Pluto Electronics. Phil also uses George's tone-modifying Pluto Pedal, an active filter/boost/cut unit in which two filters can be swept at once. Phil likes it because of its versatility for bass tone modification. Nevertheless, he complains that too many pedals only perform one or two functions. "I still have a dream of a computer-controlled synthesizer/quadraphonic bass," he says, "and the instrument I'm playing now has the capability of being that. All it needs is the proper interface."

The Alembic has the same pickup configuration found on the Guild: two standard humbuckers and a quad. Though he can get a separte signal for each string, Phil currently is running his signal monaurally. The filters on both the Guild and the Alembic basses allow for 32 tone settings, with a mixing of filtered and flat response signals from the pickups. The filter modules contain controls for Q (resonance), bandwidth, frequency reponse, and filter mode (to allow for lowpass, bandpass, highpass, and notch filtering). The filters are essentially Phil's design, though Alembic built them, and George Munday redesigned them to Phil'specifications.

His favorite tone settings center around the use of the bandpass filter, though he explains that he generally just tries to blend well with what the other musicians are doing. He usually plays with a pick, though on extremely rare occasions he uses his fingers. The Fender Heavy he has relied on for the past few years replaced a Carpe Plexiglas pick he favored until its manufacturer folded. His string choice is D'Addario Half Rounds, gauged at .045, .060, .075, and .090. He previously used Framus and Pyramid strings. He always puts on new strings before going into the studio to record, but on tour he changes them only as necessary.

Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Thursday, October 10, 2002 - 8:12 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Mica-are there any good shots of the fretboard inlays of this bass in your files??I remember first seeing this bass and remembering that I had never seen such detail before(1974) with the exception of (greg lakes'I think) "detailed" metal zematis guitar.
Edwin Hurwitz (edwin)
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Posted on Wednesday, December 25, 2002 - 9:50 am:   Edit Post

I like this picture, but it's been hard to look at for me so I did some quick color correction to get it back in the ball park. It's quick and dirty, but I hope you like it! If I had a larger file I could do much better.color corrected Phil and Osage Orange
Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Friday, December 27, 2002 - 12:40 pm:   Edit Post

thanks edwin!-I am a "freak" about this particular bass as I think you are the "Godfather"-
thanks for the clean up-also- you notice in this picture the part of the body top near his forearm? what is going on there?- I have read that this bass "de-laminated"-wonder if that is the spot?also he changed the bridge tailpiece to what looks like individual pieces vs the bird tail piece he had originally-
I would love to see a clear pic of all the inlays on this bass too. For one of the all time "coolest" alembics there are not many pics of this bass around. hmm
Edwin Hurwitz (edwin)
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Posted on Sunday, December 29, 2002 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post

I am not completely sure, but I think that the part that delaminated was the neck. On the body near the forearm might be just carving. I saw Phil play this bass a bunch in the 70s and it sounded great, although he was usually too low in the mix in those days.

Edwin
Donald Pasewark (pasewark)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 3:35 pm:   Edit Post

Here's a decent pic of that bass. I pretty sure this is an Ed Perlstein shot.Phils alembic
Joey Wilson (bigredbass)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 01, 2003 - 11:03 pm:   Edit Post

OK. . . I'm short enough of the lore of the Dead, but what the hell is 'Osage Orange'?

Joey
Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Friday, April 04, 2003 - 9:26 pm:   Edit Post

osage orage is a tree that grows in the midwest-the indians made bows from it- I have heard it called "bodark" and Bow d'arc-not sure of the latin name-check ebay-usually someone has some for sale
I have some-it is very yellow orangish when first cut-very stiff stuff-brown up with exposure to air/light-
apparently the tree itself is a nasty thing with serious thorns-farmers plant them in rows as a natural fence of types-the tree bears fruit-many people also use the wood to make fence posts-apparently the wood is very rot resistant
Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 5:07 pm:   Edit Post

here is a shot before the bass was finished-these pictures can be found in the Historic Pics section of this website (see site index)

anybody got a better shot of the inlays??
also notice the bridge has changed over the years-looks like individual string saddles replaced the bird tailpiece.

Hey Mica- what is the neck of this made out of?- osage in the rough
Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 5:13 pm:   Edit Post

here is another I found on the harddrive-dont remember where i found this one-says "10-74" on photo- winterland I guess
winterland sanfrancisco-ca
Donald Pasewark (pasewark)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 6:09 pm:   Edit Post

Cool!
Donald Pasewark (pasewark)
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Posted on Monday, April 07, 2003 - 6:11 pm:   Edit Post

By the way, whats the retangluar thing on the lower left of the body next to the omega cutout?
Googe Endeveronte (goooge)
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Posted on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 8:50 pm:   Edit Post

I have wondered about that myself Donald-hey Mica-????? It looks like a brass plate with possibly a couple of dip switch type things on it- if you have "the grateful dead family album"- check the picture on page 131- it also shows the replacement bridge on that photo-I have a video of the 78 saturday night live show they did- the bass is REALLY dark-cant really tell about the rectangular thing

One thing of interest on this bass is that besides having 11 knobs- there were also the 10 white "push buttons" on the upper half of the bass-each with its own red LED light-if you watch the grateful dead movie you will also notice that the back "panels" are completely removable and the body is just chock full of electronics- man I love that bass!!!
cdf
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Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 8:35 am:   Edit Post

I just saw the newly released "Closing of Winterland" DVD last night, which featured this bass (as well as J. Garcia's Tiger guitar). This is one incredible sounding and looking bass. There are many terrific sequences of P. Lesh and his bass at work. Looks like about as many controls as a 747 ;-) Everyone was really on that night. The mix could be a tiny bit better, but all in all a great DVD, highly recommended.
davehouck
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Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 9:03 am:   Edit Post

I haven't heard anything about this DVD yet. Please tell more.
pasewark
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Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post

go here:
http://dead.net/merchandising/music/DEAM-DECD249/

I was at the Fillmore for the DVD release party a couple of weeks back. I had a great time!
davehouck
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Posted on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 4:14 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks; I've just ordered it.
davehouck
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Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 8:04 am:   Edit Post

While waiting for the DVD to arrive; I went to Amazon and read the reviews of the four View From The Vault releases. On all, there were ample complaints about the psychedelic visual effects. Apparently these videos were taken from the large screen feeds shown at the concerts; and thus this was all the video producers had to work with. On the Winterland DVD however, the video is from a local public tv broadcast. The reviews I've read report that, while limited by late 70's broadcast tv quality, overall the video is very good. As I have always had a high regard for the music of the Grateful Dead, I've been wanting a Grateful Dead DVD; but I've been hesitant about ordering one because of the many complaints about the DVD's already out there. So I am looking forward to the arrival of the Winterland disk.

Thanks for the tip!
cdf
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Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 9:20 am:   Edit Post

davehouk,

I'm sure you will be pleased with this DVD. I have a few others and this is definitely my favorite. As I mentioned in my first post the mix could be a bit better (though my playback system is medium to low quality), but the performance is really terrific, quite good camera work for the time and a real nice song selection.

Enjoy!
lembic76450
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Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post

Dave,
I'm still working my way through, but, it seems to be a very good Jerry night, both playing and singing. The audio is very nice, also.
Kenn R.
dela217
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Posted on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 1:38 pm:   Edit Post

I watched it last night. I am not a Dead fan, but the instruments were great. It was shown last night on the local Public Broadcast Station.
davehouck
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Posted on Saturday, December 13, 2003 - 11:33 am:   Edit Post

It came today!!! It's wonderful!!!
the_mule
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Posted on Thursday, January 29, 2004 - 9:14 am:   Edit Post

I also ordered the Winterland DVD, along with the new version of the Illustrated Trip book BTW. Thanks for the heads up!
trebor
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Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 8:08 am:   Edit Post

The picture from "10-74" above was taken during the run at Winterland when the Dead were filming and recording "The GratefulDead" movie. This thing came out initially on laser disk, then vhs. It is finally being released on DVD, http://dead.net/merchandising/movie_folder/index.html

There is a portion of the movie where Phil is showing off his Omega Cut that blew me away when I first watched this back in the '80s. I'm really partial to this film cause I was at two of the shows during that run. If you want to see the "Wall of Sound" up close and personal, I highly recommend this to anyone, and to those of the Alembic persuasion, it's a must see.

robert "FAB"
bassman10096
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Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 8:53 am:   Edit Post

Garcia spent a ton of time editing (read "learning to edit") the film. I believe it shows some of the best, up-close footage of the band playing and interacting on stage. In its time, it was a mindblower (At the time, there hadn't been a lot of concerts filmed with a large number of camera angles and sophisticated sound production.). From those perspectives, a triumph. IMO, the overall (meaning, yes, I love Sugar Mag.) songs chosen, did not represented the highest energy the Dead were capable of. Nonetheless, I own the VHS and am debating whether to get the DVD. On the whole - I like The Closing of Winterland DVDs better.

I, too was captivated by the very brief cut in the GD Movie where Lesh shows off the Alembic, playing a few notes and a very cool feedback spot while the stage crew is completing set up. I had seen him playing that bass many times, but the first closeup view I got of the wood, the inlays and the (could it have been more of a unique and dramatic departure from the basses of that time?) omega tail. Chalk it up as another instance where I knew I'd eventually own an Alembic Series 2 (Cut to "Waynes World": "...It will be mine. It WILL be mine...).

Bill
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Posted on Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 8:57 am:   Edit Post

The Winterland run leading up to their temporary "retirement" was interesting, but not among their best shows. The most significant part was during the break in the final show when a second drum set was placed on stage and Mickey Hart came out and rejoined the band after they had played for a few years with one drummer. Given where my consciousness was at that particular moment, I wasn't sure if Hart was back and I was seeing double, or I was seeing quadruple and looking at 4 Kruetzmann! Also the movie contains the best approximation of the NO2 experience I've ever seen on film. As for the playing, though, the closing of Winterland film is far superior. IMHO.

Bill, the guitar one

(Message edited by LBPESQ on September 25, 2004)
davehouck
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Posted on Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 8:16 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for three very interesting and informative reviews of the Grateful Dead Movie. However, the differing opinions have left me undecided. And that's a good thing; my budget is kinda decimated at the moment.
kmh364
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 5:48 pm:   Edit Post

I love that Movie! I promised myself back in the day if I ever got a Laserdisc player, my first disk would be "The Grateful Dead Movie". Well, the LD player was a 30th B'day present from my (now) ex-wife and I got that movie first (#2 promise was "The Kids Are Alright", and I got that one too). That was 11yrs. ago. I spent many "Midnight Matinees" at various seedy third-run theatres highed-up out-of-my-mind jammin' to that movie in my youth. Regardless of how great (or not) the performances of that movie are, it is still hot sh*t in my opinion. The "Psycle Sam" opening animation is worth the price of the DVD alone...ck that cat out up at the stage front jammin to "U.S. Blues"! It contains lots of extras and extra footage. There is also a companion CD 5-disc set of almost all of the Winterland run. Compared to the LD, the DVD is a bargain and the sound and picture quality will be the best yet. HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!
hollis
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Posted on Friday, October 01, 2004 - 5:55 pm:   Edit Post

I put in an pre-order this morning....
kmh364
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Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 5:51 am:   Edit Post

That movie was/is sacred in the Deadhead circles I used to frequent in my misspent youth. Most Deadheads I knew saw the Movie before they could actually see the Dead! You know the drill: it was hard to save up the $15-$25-$35 to get a Dead show ticket, LOL back in the day!
lbpesq
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Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 2:53 pm:   Edit Post

I just ordered the movie. I had to. After all, I'm in it. Somewhere. Very small. (But that night my mind was VERY big). My DVD source, deepdiscountdvd.com, also listed something I never heard of before. DVD Audio remixes of Workingman's Dead and American Beauty. The descriptions say that Mickey Hart mixed Workingman's and that Sugar Mag on American Beauty is mixed so that Jerry's Pedal Steel is the lead instrument! I never knew Jerry played steel on that particular cut! Anyone else heard these? I though it was worth taking the flyer for less than 12 bucks each. This site is a great source for DVDs. Good prices, no tax, free shippping. Here's the links to the Dead DVD Audios:

American Beauty:
www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=WEA074385

Workingman's Dead:
www.deepdiscountdvd.com/dvd.cfm?itemID=WEA078356

Bill, the guitar one
davehouck
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Posted on Saturday, October 02, 2004 - 4:24 pm:   Edit Post

Bill, let us know what you think when you get them.
kmh364
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Posted on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 4:48 pm:   Edit Post

Bill: Yes, please do! Also, doesn't FOUR Kreutzmann's really in all actuality constitute several KreutzMENN? LOL! Sorry, very corny but I couldn't resist.

Cheers,

Kevin

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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post

A couple that should be added to the thread for the sake of completeness:





pauldo
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 3:49 pm:   Edit Post

woweee!
pasewark
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 3:51 pm:   Edit Post

Great photos!
moonliner
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 8:03 pm:   Edit Post

Lovely to see these photos.

What's a "BadAss" bridge doing on the bass in the last photo?
There is a story coming I know....
zezozeceglutz
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 8:51 pm:   Edit Post

Phil was experimenting with the effect of different string anchoring systems around that time. It's also visible in the first post in this thread with individual tailpieces for each string and below with the same. The shot with plate behind the Badass looks to be an intermediate step between the original setup and that shown below from '79 (right before Mission Control was retired). The plate covers the tailpiece mounting holes and there are no signs yet of holes for the individual tailpieces.

tmoney61092
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 8:52 pm:   Edit Post

is that 3 pickups or just a large "dummy"?

~Taylor Watterson
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 9:22 pm:   Edit Post

I believe one of them (center) is a quad just like the modified Guild Starfire was , right guys ?
tmoney61092
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 9:27 pm:   Edit Post

i'm an idiot when it comes to his basses, what's a quad?

~Taylor Watterson
zezozeceglutz
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 9:35 pm:   Edit Post

One small pickup per string. It interacted with the Wall of Sound the Dead used in '74 to send each string to a different set of speakers when used (very rarely). The white dots on the upper half of the body were designed to select where the signal from each section would go. The switching system was notoriously unreliable so Phil ended up using his earlier modified Starfire a lot.

The quad pickup in the Starfire is potted in clear epoxy so you can see better what's going on inside.
tmoney61092
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 9:41 pm:   Edit Post

wow, that sounds intense, would there be any way of "deactivating" the quad so that he could have still used this as a "normal" alembic?

~Taylor Watterson
zezozeceglutz
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 10:11 pm:   Edit Post

He used it "normally" 90+ percent of the time. The quad seems to have only made appearances during the spacier jams.

There's a Truckin>Nobody's Fault jam somewhere on archive.org that has a really distinct stereo mix where Phil solos with the quad and it's quite the experience. It was a partial show and available streaming only but I haven't been able to find it again while looking
tmoney61092
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Posted on Friday, July 24, 2009 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post

yea, that bass would be to beautiful to just have it made and not use it(even "normally"), i will definetly have to try to find that video.

Mica, is there anyway Alembic would do something like this today???

~Taylor Watterson
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Posted on Saturday, July 25, 2009 - 7:53 am:   Edit Post

Also check out the Grateful Dead Movie for shots of this bass (although he doesn't activate the quad feature, and switches basses during the show).
Mike
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Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 8:07 am:   Edit Post

is there a definitive recording of phil's quad sound on some sort of dicks pick or any release for that matter?
thanks
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Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 12:30 pm:   Edit Post

I just heard a concert on the Sirius GD channel, and each bass string was panned separately across the stereo field - so I know there's plenty of boards out there where you can hear it. Sorry - I don't remember what show it was, I just remember hearing each bass string come at me from a different direction!
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Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:04 pm:   Edit Post

what ????????????????????????
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Posted on Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 11:22 pm:   Edit Post

I had a tape - JFK '73 maybe? - with a crazy bass solo during Dark Star where Phil was kind of playing a traditional rock and roll line and two strings were on the left and two on the right. Sorry I don't have more details. I haven't noticed the quad effect in any Dick's Picks that I've listened to recently - hmm, good excuse to go back and listen again...
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Posted on Thursday, July 30, 2009 - 4:20 am:   Edit Post

What does he uses as a Pick???
edwin
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Posted on Thursday, August 06, 2009 - 2:42 pm:   Edit Post

These days a graphite Stubby 1.5mm by Jim Dunlop.

Edwin
pace
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Posted on Saturday, December 12, 2009 - 8:43 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks for the Photos Zez... those pics you posted 7-24-09 are dopplegangers of my next-door neighbor (less the bass, of course)
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Posted on Saturday, May 22, 2010 - 9:34 am:   Edit Post

Besides the Osage-Orange, what were the rest of the woods used in this bass?
edwin
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Posted on Friday, October 19, 2012 - 10:30 am:   Edit Post

Here are some pics I just found:



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Posted on Friday, October 19, 2012 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post

WOW. Can you disclose the source?
edwin
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http://www.rukind.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=311&t=12897

Some nice Hot Tuna pix as well!
sparechaynge
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Huh,hadn't seen those before. I guess I didn't dig deep enough. Whose the guy w/ the cowboy fancy who doesn't look like Bobby? Is it still Bob?
edwin
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I'm not sure who doesn't look like Bobby to you, everyone looks like Bobby! Seriously, though, he's the only guy playing the cowboy fancy.
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Weird. Guess the beard is throwing me off, he looks like Trey in the 4th pic and the one below the first Hot Tuna shot.
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Please delete post

(Message edited by MtJam on October 19, 2012)
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Posted on Friday, October 19, 2012 - 3:53 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks for sharing that link, Edwin. Awesome pics! I always like seeing pictures that I have never seen before.

I like the one of Casady with the whiskey bottle on the drum riser. I was thinking recently how you never usually see anything harder than bottled water onstage these days. I suppose that's a good thing to help support our heroes' longevity, but it's fun to remember that glorious 70s era!
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Posted on Saturday, October 20, 2012 - 12:06 pm:   Edit Post

Looks like Tequila to me!

Bill, tgo
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Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 9:47 am:   Edit Post

It's amazing what you find on you tube. Here is a link to a video about The Dead's Wall of sound and some footage of the inside of Phil's bass and him adjusting all those bass knobs and giving a bit of explanation about his bass strings coming out of different stacks of speakers.

Judging by the thickness of the sheepskin padding on his bass strap that bass must have been really heavy.

Not sure if it's been posted here before but it was an interesting video for me anyway.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PODPgBaiFI4

I'm sure the Dead Heads amongst us will recognise people in the video.
Enjoy



Jazzyvee
edwin
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Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post

When they released the movie on DVD, they gave out a frame from the original 35mm release and I ended up with a shot from that scene. It's cool to hear that movie in 5.1, especially the DVD remix. The theatrical mix was hampered by some problems from the fact that surround was in its infancy back in the day and the current mix benefited greatly from improved technology and experience (and the expert mastering touch of my friend, David Glasser, of Airshow mastering.).

sonicus
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Post Number: 2861
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, April 08, 2013 - 4:32 pm:   Edit Post

I remember seeing this bass on the work bench when George Mundy was wiring it . George Mundy can also be seen in the movie making adjustments.
sparechaynge
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Post Number: 125
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Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2013 - 6:32 am:   Edit Post

Is George the guy with the butterfly t-shirt? I always thought that was Rick Turner.
moonliner
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Post Number: 126
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Tuesday, April 09, 2013 - 5:06 pm:   Edit Post

Edwin, that is perfect that you got that particular frame. You must have been very happy!
slicknickhaas
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Post Number: 83
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Sunday, May 26, 2013 - 1:25 pm:   Edit Post

Hey There Guys, just wanted to chime in,

that scene in the movie is exactly what brought me to Alembic, I had to know as much as I could find out about it, it even lead to conversations with Rick Turner, Steve Parish, And "Turbo" Tom Smith, one of the last people to work on the bass sadly Hacking the electronics out and routing the body for an aluminum plate, Said he's the guy who put the idea into Phil's head about a 6 string bass not sure about that but it did bring one thing to light, both Rick and Tom said there realy wasn't an issue with the bass at the time, guess there was some bad blood between Phil and George about working though and fixing the reliability issues of the bass. or so I'm told, by 79 According to Rick Phil was dealing with some issues at the time. and may have lead to the bass getting hacked. there's no evidence of a delam issue from what I can find. nor a photo of it any point past 79. curiosity got the best of me and I tracked down Tom, Phils tec and the time, according to him once phil had the idea of a 6 string the bass was placed in its case and put in room 4 for safe keeping in 1980 at there place in Palo Alto. the question is is it still there? Rick Turner also stated that if the bass was found he would gladly head up the restoration of it to its former glory, a far better version of the electronics could be built as well, or at least something quality. Maybe its just me but this bass should be brought back to life or at least into the light. it represents a major turning point in musical history, and im sure it means a lot to many of us.

thoughts?
slicknickhaas
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Post Number: 84
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Sunday, May 26, 2013 - 1:37 pm:   Edit Post

From Tom Smith,

Nick, yeah I did mess around with that bass. The short story is one day I asked Phil if he knew what gauge size the strings were? (PL) Why? (Me) How about adding two more strings? (PL) I'll find out.
The next day we drove up to Alembic and he ordered a 6 string bass and he refused to ever play the 4 string again. Blame that one on me I guess. At that point I didn't give a shit about doing any more with the 4 string because of his attitude. I wasn't about to argue with him, if you know what I mean.
It had its own travel case and we stored it with all his other basses at Front Street in room 4, his equipment room. I assume he still has it.
We thought we were the first guys to build a 6 string bass.
In 1989 I was in Chicago and saw an ad for a used Fender Thunderbird 6 string jazz bass, oh well.
You no doubt know that he has played a 6 string ever since.

sorry correction, it was at Front Street,

And a what!?
jacko
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Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - 5:17 am:   Edit Post

If I've read Tom's note right Alembic made Phil a 6 string bass? that's something I never knew. I'm pretty sure there's no mention of one in Blair Jackson's book.

Graeme
slicknickhaas
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Post Number: 85
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - 9:59 am:   Edit Post

I find id a little odd, maybe it was in that window of time when Modulus was working a bit with Alembic?

I haven,t put to much research into it, any one have an idea as to what Phil's first 6 string was? I'm still in the grey on that change,

it was mix emotions for me to learn that the stories of the bass getting hacked where true. but it the same sense that explains why its been in hiding all these years.

One person, can't remember if it was Steve or Rick that said it, but much like Jack regrets sell number 1, Phil felt pretty bad for letting Mission Control get hacked. Ive tried to contact Phil though many fronts to ask about it, but never have been able to get a response.
cozmik_cowboy
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Post Number: 1487
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Wednesday, May 29, 2013 - 1:01 pm:   Edit Post

Per Jackson, Phil's first 6 (1982) was a 35" Modulus built on a 4-string neck, w/Barts.

Peter

(Message edited by cozmik_cowboy on May 29, 2013)
lembic76450
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Post Number: 335
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, July 05, 2013 - 3:12 pm:   Edit Post

You know, all the times looking at this bass
I never noticed the logo on the headstock. Are
there any others like this?
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1756
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post

It's back. Rick Turner is starting the process of rebuilding it. He's none too happy with Turbo Tom's experiments.

http://www.rukind.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=421&t=15947
slicknickhaas
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Username: slicknickhaas

Post Number: 88
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 2:56 pm:   Edit Post

YES!!!!!!!!

I've been bugging the powers to be from Rick Turner to Phil about this for 4 years! fantastic news!

can't wait to see the photos!!
mtjam
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Post Number: 162
Registered: 11-2011
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 3:15 pm:   Edit Post

That's great news! Can't wait to follow the progress of this restoration.
lbpesq
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Post Number: 5732
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 5:27 pm:   Edit Post

Is the listed serial number, "74-0008" correct? I have #10, and it's a '72. Just askin'.

Bill, tgo
pasewark
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Registered: 4-2003
Posted on Tuesday, April 29, 2014 - 7:47 pm:   Edit Post

I can't wait to see this bass restored!
enzo
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Username: enzo

Post Number: 388
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Wednesday, April 30, 2014 - 6:49 am:   Edit Post

That's an exciting news!
jalevinemd
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Post Number: 935
Registered: 12-2003
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 8:34 am:   Edit Post

Who is Turbo Tom?

Tom Lieber?
edwin
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Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 8:58 am:   Edit Post

Apparently some guy named Tom Smith who got his hands on the bass.
dead_head
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Post Number: 48
Registered: 12-2013
Posted on Thursday, May 01, 2014 - 8:16 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Edwin, just got my June Bassplayer mag. in the mail. Saw your spot in the "Dig My Rig" section. I knew that was your setup before even reading the caption. Loookin' goood!!!!! (sorry for the hijack).

Rob
jazzyvee
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Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 6:10 am:   Edit Post

A detailed history of Phil Lesh's Alembic basses with some great stories
http://www.ricksuchow.com/press-group-167.html
hammer
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Username: hammer

Post Number: 487
Registered: 9-2009
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 6:58 am:   Edit Post

Jazzyvee: Thanks for sharing this. It filled in a lot of gaps in my knowledge of Phil's gear.
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 3531
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Thursday, May 29, 2014 - 7:08 am:   Edit Post

That 'fretless' Guild pictured is either fretted or has some pretty hefty fret inlays! Still an interesting article though.

Graeme
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1868
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 12:08 pm:   Edit Post

Update from Rick Turner:

I've started in on replacing missing wood. I got some Osage orange and duplicated the neck laminate layup...Osage, walnut, and maple...and inlaid it between the neck and past where the original tailpiece was mounted. Next I'll inlay two pieces of koa to fill in the top on either side of the central neck beam. I decided not to completely replace the top, even though some of the repair seams will inevitably show, but better that than doing more horrendous damage to what is left of the original top. I think I can match the color and grain reasonably with some koa I got from my pal John Reuter ( Roberto Venn School of Lutherie...major Deadhead ).

Still mulling over pickups and electronics. My thought is to bring this bass forward about 40 years and honor much of the original intent while allowing what I've learned in that time to come forth. Yes, it will get a quad pickup, but this time it will be one of my piezos, and the full quad output may wind up as an option. The neck and bridge pickups will be self-hum canceling, and they will be mono/stereo pickups, that is, in mono mode, each will be a hum canceller with coils that sort of overlap for the A and D strings. The effect in stereo mode is a true stereo pan, and in this mode, the pickups buck hum from neck to bridge, neck to bridge. The magnetic arrangement is:
N S
S N

I'll use some filter electronics from John East, and the two channels will stay separate at the normal output.

I'm not even going to try to duplicate all of the micro-processor pickup assignment switching that was touch switch operated on the original setup. That was all the white circles on the bass side of the face. I'll just do inlays there and maybe pop LED's in next to them for kicks.

I am documenting the hell out of this process, and I'm writing this all up for an article for Vintage Guitar Magazine.

Much thanks to George Gruhn for finding Mission Control and sending it to me for the restoration.

OH, it's in the original case as well.
slicknickhaas
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Username: slicknickhaas

Post Number: 89
Registered: 10-2009
Posted on Sunday, December 07, 2014 - 1:01 pm:   Edit Post

Thats great news! Thanks Edwin for the update
elwoodblue
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Post Number: 1536
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, December 08, 2014 - 11:40 pm:   Edit Post

Cool... thanx Edwin!

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