| Author | Message | ||
| frank_orlando
Junior Username: frank_orlando Post Number: 39 Registered: 8-2002 |
I have been a big Ampeg fan for years. I use an SVT410HE and an SVT15E stacked and powered by an SVT3Pro. I have 2 of these complete set-ups one for gigs and one for practice so I don't have to move my practice set when I gig. I like the bright and punchy sound these cabs provide compared to the bassy Ampeg BXT's or the PRO series. I also have an SVT410HLF and an SVTII which I use when I get the bug or need some extra thump. I am playing with an original rock band (www.mediacrime.com) with a sound that could be described as Neil Young jamming the Ramones. No slapping either. Now I am hearing more and more about Eden, Bergantino, Bag End, Aguilar, EBS and other high end cabinets but I don't see them for sale in the big music chain stores. I don't ever want to buy a cabinet again without playing it with my own bass (Alembic of course)and amp. I did that once with an Ampeg BXT 15HL4 and when I got it I hated the heavy mid sound it had and sold it. Another concern is that cabinets sound different playing alone in a music store than they do on stage with the band. I know the Ampegs sound great on stage. Maybe I can learn something about the other brands here before I spend the time to find a shop that carries them. I noticed that some cabinets like the Eden's cost about twice as much as a comparable Ampeg cabinet. So what cabinets are you using and why? What cabinets have you compared them to and what was the difference? What kind of music are you playing with them? Frank... | ||
| frank_orlando
Junior Username: frank_orlando Post Number: 40 Registered: 8-2002 |
That should have said "...Neil Young jamming WITH the Ramones". HeHe. | ||
| dannobasso
Junior Username: dannobasso Post Number: 40 Registered: 3-2004 |
I'm using Acme B210 and B410 (4 ohm)and Epifani T310 (5.3 ohm) and T115 (8 ohm). F1X - Korg tuner - QSC PLX 3400 and 1602. Playing heavy dark punk with Doomtree. High fidelity, clear sound, high power rating, good construction, reliable. Great matches with Alembics. Excel 5's dual fatboys, Distillate 5 as well as SC, Various Spoilers. My ear is tuned to tone deep and crisp. Other cabs are midrangey and can't go as loud as I want. My main stack is about 1200 watts a side. Not impressed with Edens at all. A friend reps Aguilar, he likes em' and endorses Fodera. Acmes are very reasonable. A lot of guys here have them and love them. I prefer the Epifani but they are really expensive.If they go down I need back ups. Danno | ||
| hup
Junior Username: hup Post Number: 16 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hey Frank I to use ampeg 2 X SVT410HE love the punch out of these boxes, i use sn ampeg b2r head to power them, and i set them side by side to get that extra bottom end and it kiks ass, a few friends have tried some edens, ashdown, and they keep going back to the mighty "ampeg", i play in an all original band that can be heard at www.songramp.com band name is White Iris check it out and please post a reveiw. I use an Alembic Spoiler 5 string as the work horse!!!!!!!!!!! (Message edited by Hup on June 07, 2004) | ||
| 811952
Intermediate Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 194 Registered: 10-2003 |
Mostly using a Dr. Fong 18" (like the big Yamaha sub) and a Peavey 210. Other times one or two Carvin 18" folded horns for that Jaco tone. John | ||
| lbanks
Junior Username: lbanks Post Number: 22 Registered: 7-2003 |
Mostly, an Acme B2, if I can get away with... | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 349 Registered: 6-2002 |
I'm a huge fan of Eden amps and cabinets. Sorry Danno, I couldn't disagree with you more. I love the response and punch my Eden D410XLT cabinet delivers. It has a super crisp, deep, earth rattling rumble that I have yet to see matched by anybody else. I'm also planning to pick up the new D410XST, which has an even wider frequency response (36Hz - 14KHz). Combine THAT with an Ebony neck Alembic and feel the fundamental. Why are Eden cabinets more expensive? Like Alembic Basses, you get what you pay for - Quality. | ||
| lowlife
Member Username: lowlife Post Number: 69 Registered: 12-2003 |
I have a Carvin RC210 (R600 head w/2x10), then I added a Carvin RL115 (1x15). In bi-amped mode, full range mode or in bridged mode, the Carvin stack cannot even come close to the punch that my mini Eden stack puts out. Eden CXC110 (Time Traveller head w/1x10) and a Eden CX112 (1x12). It's half the size, half the power, and it packs a whollop when I slap. I've also compared this mini eden stack to Ampeg's of similar component designs and to my ears, it's Eden all the way. I agree with Rami, that you get what you pay for, Ellery (Lowlife) | ||
| rklisme
Junior Username: rklisme Post Number: 41 Registered: 5-2004 |
I have to chime in for Eden as well. I have used Eden for many years and feel they have it right as far as my ears are concerned. However gentlemen I don't want to start a hate group for one product over another! I think we will all agree that everybody has different styles they play and different tones that they listen for which doesn't make one good and another bad, just different. As bass players we have chosen one of the most versatile basses on this planet you could ever play and I would venture to say we all don't have the same tone or even like the same styles. What sounds good to me may or may not sound good to you! I have heard bass players play on all types of equipment and have enjoyed their performances and their sound. While I am passionate about my equipment I have plenty of room to listen to what you have to offer as a fellow player! If we all played the same rig or the same bass or the same style I think playing the bass would be pretty boring! Bottoms Up Rory | ||
| pookeymp
Intermediate Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 104 Registered: 7-2002 |
The rig that I leave at my Church is an SWR Goliath III (4x10) cab, on top of a Carvin (1x18). Gigs on the road I use either an Acme B2 (2x10), an Acme B4 (4x10), or I use them together...depending on size of venue. All of my cabs are 4 ohms and I power both these rigs with an Ampeg SVP Preamp and a QSC PLX3402 power amp. Mikey/ | ||
| dean_m
Advanced Member Username: dean_m Post Number: 320 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Frank, I too am a BIG Ampeg fan for many years. My old set up was an SVT-CL with 2 SVT 410HE. Most of the time I'd only use one cab though. I love the sound of these cabs, the only problem though is that they don't project or fill a room without PA support. The bottom falls off at about 10feet. I now use all PortaBass stuff just because it's so light and easy to move. I've got a PB250 and a B5R for powering two of the Portabass cabs. I still use my SVT-CL every now and then with an SVT810. That is a monster sound!!!! Peace, Dino | ||
| the_mule
Intermediate Member Username: the_mule Post Number: 107 Registered: 1-2004 |
HARTKE 2100 Pro cabinet (2x10, aluminium cones, horn) with a HARTKE HA 1400 top... | ||
| dela217
Advanced Member Username: dela217 Post Number: 392 Registered: 6-2002 |
I use a Bag End 2x10 cabinet. I ordered it in 2000, and have been using it full time ever since. When I ordered it, I asked for their 2x10, not knowing the different model numbers. What I got was a D10BX-C. I don't see it listed on their site as an available model. I think the C stands for custom. It is just like their Deep Red series, but it is in black!! It is pretty cool. I wouldn't mind another one, but this one is plenty. I have a QSC 1450RMX (I think that is what it is called) bridged to mono powering it. I either use my Furman PQ-3, or an Alembic preamp depending on the sound I am after, or the bass I am using. I really like the Bag End, and am surprised how well it is holding up. I have blown up EV 15's in Mesa Boogie cabinets with the same amount of power. Go figure. The cabinet is VERY efficient, and is rated at 4 ohms. I highly recommed it. The only thing I don't really like about it is the carpet covering. I just don't care for carpet on my cabinets. The cabinet is rear ported, which took some getting used to. You have to be mindful of back walls, drum mics, etc... But a good cab. I will be using it tonight. I have a gig with a band called Seven Stories. It is my first gig with them and hopefully not the last. | ||
| frank_orlando
Junior Username: frank_orlando Post Number: 41 Registered: 8-2002 |
Thanks for all of the valuable feedback. I wasn't even considering Acme but I will add it to my list of cabinets to check out. I agree that you do get what you pay for and I can normally buy what I want (within reason) but I hope I find a flaw with the Eden's when I try them since I will need about $3000 worth of cabinets to duplicate my gig and practice rigs!! Hup... I couldn't find White Iris on that site you gave me. I used the search too. Let me know if I am doing something wrong. I want to check your band out. Here's my rig at Hogs and Heifers in NYC (uptown). Too bad that fat guy is standing in front of it...  | ||
| hollis
Advanced Member Username: hollis Post Number: 227 Registered: 11-2003 |
It looks like the big guy belongs there from here.... | ||
| davehouck
Senior Member Username: davehouck Post Number: 633 Registered: 5-2002 |
If you are talking about the guy holding the Custom Essence, I think he's a pretty important part of the picture. Have we seen pictures of this bass before? | ||
| 88persuader
Member Username: 88persuader Post Number: 52 Registered: 5-2004 |
The Essence looks sweet Frank. I'm running an ampeg BSEX410HLF and/or two Hartke 4X10 cabs depending on the coverage I need. (or any one by itself or any combination!) And I'm pushing it with an Ampeg SVT PRO 5 head. I use to use a Trace Eliot combo cab with a 15" Trace speaker built in (I don't know who makes speakers for Trace) and a Hartke 4X10 bottom (One 15" speaker and 4X10's is a nice combo)and loved it but I guess my taste has changed ... I've become an Ampeg lover. Of course in the same time period I've also become an ALL Alembic player so I guess taste can change! | ||
| kmh364
Intermediate Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 125 Registered: 9-2003 |
Rami, Try TWO Eden D210XST's instead of the one D410XST (especially the 4 Ohm cabs, if your amp can drive 2 Ohm parallel loads like my WT-550 Traveller). It's a little pricier, but the two 2X10 cabs do sound better (i.e., tighter and lower) than the single 4X10. I got turned on to that one by Gard and Beaver over at Bass Central. You are definitely right about getting what you pay for. Kevin | ||
| hup
Junior Username: hup Post Number: 17 Registered: 1-2003 |
Hey Frank i just went to the site and went to the search and typed in white iris and clicked on search this site it came back with one item found and then clicked on "white iris" and up it came. let me know if you have any more trouble. you may have to join the site , it has some great music on it , well worth your trouble cheers Hup | ||
| bassman10096
Senior Member Username: bassman10096 Post Number: 450 Registered: 7-2003 |
Hey Kevin: Gard told me the same thing. I'm waiting for my first Eden 210 XST (4 ohm) to come in. Like you mentioned, I'm going to drive it at 2 ohms with another 4. I'm going to try it with my 4 ohm Acme LowB-2 and see how it works out (2 ohms off my QSC 2402 is 1200w, so it should be enough). I'm hoping the XST is more to my liking than the Acme. That way I'll consider a second XST to replace the Acme. Or perhaps they'll compliment each other. I'm not sure I'd want to put on another Acme. Frankly, the Acme sound is just a little too neutral sounding for my taste. Bill | ||
| bassman10096
Senior Member Username: bassman10096 Post Number: 451 Registered: 7-2003 |
(Double post) (Message edited by bassman10096 on June 10, 2004) | ||
| kmh364
Intermediate Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 126 Registered: 9-2003 |
Not only are the Edens top-shelf sound- and quality-wise, but the rig is super portable. A 4x10 is a little too much to haul by yourself, even if you're a husky 215#, 6-footer like myself (albeit with a bad back and knee). Those 2x10's can be easily lifted solo, and they fit perfectly in the back seat area (with the fold-flat floor) of my Dodge Ram 4x4. The amp is awesome as well: I bought the Eden 1000d cordura padded shoulder bag that has room for cables and accesories. Gard also recommended Le Cover for cabinet covers (Eden didn't offer them for the brand-new XST's yet)...Larry LeCover was awesome...he used to make the factory covers for Eden until USM took over and stiffed him for the old Eden billables....he custom made me padded 1000d covers for cheap money. Gard and Beaver are tops...great service and awesome prices. They have a store-full of really expensive gear, but are willing to sell you what's best for you, not what's best for their profit margin. I've said it before: they told me they can play anything they want, but virtually the whole staff at Bass Central plays Eden. | ||
| 811952
Advanced Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2003 |
I've got an acquaintance who abuses a Pedulla through an Eden setup. I despise his tone (and his 4-hour bass solos), and subconsciously must have always attributed it to the Eden rig. I guess probably he just doesn't have any semblance of taste or musical decorum, and the Eden rigs feels physical pain at having to reproduce his cuts-through-glass-like-a-chainsaw-on-a-rope tone. Perhaps it's time I grew up and gave Eden a listen. And yes, my acquaintance plays bass like Yngwie Malmsteen so I am a bit envious of his superior chops.. John | ||
| rami
Advanced Member Username: rami Post Number: 350 Registered: 6-2002 |
You know John, tone really comes from the player. His technique, control settings, instrument, strings, the grubbiness of his fingers etc... A quality instrument and amp will only reproduce what the player is producing, not make him/her sound better. Garbage in = Garbage out | ||
| 811952
Advanced Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 202 Registered: 10-2003 |
Amen to that. John | ||
| kmh364
Intermediate Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 130 Registered: 9-2003 |
Ahhh, Yngwie! This could start a whole other thread, LOL! Just saw him a couple months back...still amazing, whether you like neo-classical "dungeon" metal or not. Rudy Sarzo was on bass! Still looks the same, still plays the same: rock solid. And he uses AMPEG! LOL! Frank: Try 'em all. Let your ears and wallet decide. | ||
| dannobasso
Junior Username: dannobasso Post Number: 43 Registered: 3-2004 |
Hear, Hear! kmh346! We all have different tastes. I don't think that anyone should feel that it is important to agree or disagree about anyone's sound. One man's gold is another man's sheit! I do sound every weekend, I mix my own digital recordings, I collectively work on my band's recordings at small and large studios and I teach marching band. (I even opened for Yngwie a few years back at the Birch Hill) I have my preference. (my preference, Epi) Back in the day I used an 18 W bin w a 412 Sunn with an 800 watt BGW amp w Dean Markley preamp. Today I would wretch at that rig. Check em' all and let God sort em' out! | ||
| kmh364
Intermediate Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 132 Registered: 9-2003 |
Danno: It wasn't my intention to insinuate "mine's better than yours" or to insult anyone, just to state what I use. Certainly everyone's entitled to their own opinion, I have my own and it's subject to change without notice, LOL! Yngwie is awesome and so is Rudy. If you opened for Yngwie, you know he is an egomaniac/controll freak that prefers to call ALL the shots. Despite this, Rudy came through the mix pretty good with his Fender bass and Ampeg 8X10 Rig (OK, I was standing on his side of the stage at extreme stage left, LOL!). Like I've said before, it's all good: let your ears and your wallet decide! | ||
| kmh364
Intermediate Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 133 Registered: 9-2003 |
Danno, BTW: when you opened for Yngwie at Birch Hill, was it back in '96 when Yngwie jumped into the crowd mid-solo to duke some guy out that was heckling him? I still laugh about that one...Yngwie got back up on the stage after kicking the guy's a** and said "Don't disturb me!!!" while pointing at the guy. Priceless, LOL! | ||
| kmh364
Intermediate Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 134 Registered: 9-2003 |
Duplicate Post, Sorry. (Message edited by kmh364 on June 11, 2004) |
