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gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 407
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 11:52 am:   Edit Post

I have a Modulus Blackstar 6 string guitar made in 1988 in near mint cond. but I don't know much about it and there seem to be some folks here who might. It is a bolt on neck and sounds and plays fantastic. However, I do not know what the tone control does. It seems to act like the tone control off an Eric Clapton strat in that it adds gain while changing tone. The EMG circuit is an active one. Anyone know what it really does?

I bought this from the original owner who custom ordered it in 1988 and then left it in a closet. It is in beautiful shape. I do not know why the 3 pups are so close, but they give a fairly wide tonal range. I wonder how many were made. There is not much info about them on the Internet.
Thanks,

Dave
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(Message edited by davehouck on November 18, 2011)
afrobeat_fool
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Post Number: 384
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 11:58 am:   Edit Post

Dave. Glad to see you picked that one up. I thought about it for a sec, and said"do I really need another guitar"? Good for you!
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1308
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 3:07 pm:   Edit Post




Beautiful guitar, that must have been a custom ordered pickup placement.
Congrats!

(Message edited by elwoodblue on November 18, 2011)
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 408
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 3:10 pm:   Edit Post

Yes, the 3 switches turn the pickups on or off. The 'tone' control affects all the pickups but does not function like a regular tone control. There is a circuit board mounted on top of it too.
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1309
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 3:15 pm:   Edit Post

Ha!...you caught me mid-edit...I just saw that micro board. I remember those being popular in the eighties , some were mid boosts, some were "expanders". Is there any part numbers on that tiny board?
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 794
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Friday, November 18, 2011 - 4:30 pm:   Edit Post

This is the Bob Weir model blackknife. But, I'm pretty sure the ones he's got have a neck-thru TBX style neck. As far as the electronics go, the board looks similar to the one on my '88~ while mine also has a passive hf tone roll off, this is an active 'gain' where the caps seem to accentuate a mid 'hump' as you turn it up. I guess it is similar to the Clapton strats from the same era.
dfung60
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Username: dfung60

Post Number: 521
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, November 19, 2011 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post

You've got most of the facts on this guitar. Bob Weir and Phil Lesh mostly played Modulus during the 80's into the 90's. Bob Weir was a major investor in Modulus during the 90's. The unusual pickup placement was inspired by Bob's main guitars which where through-body. The active tone control is probably an EMG SPC which is a presence/mid-boost control. EMG had a number of different models that all has similar configuration (one is a midrange cut, another is a straight gain, etc). It will say which one it is on the PC board if you look closely for markings.

If you look closely at the EMG logo on the pickups, you may see that they are different colors. Back then EMG coded the models using different colored logos. A silver logo is an EMG-S, a gold is EMG-SA, and there are white, blue, and red models at well which all have different coils and built-in EQ. Some of these guitars with the three close pickups are built with EMGs that are custom wound for Modulus. They sometimes have handwritten stickers on the back of the pickup. If there's a printed label with a production code back there, it's a regular pickup.

I remember seeing some of Bob's guitars at Modulus in for fretwork back in those days. Some of the later ones had some very unusual stuff - there were blocks of rare metals that were inlayed into the back of the headstock, Roland controllers, etc.

David Fung
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 409
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 2:45 pm:   Edit Post

Yes, the circuit board has tiny letters that say SPC on it. The pickups are silver letter EMG's. I just put new strings on it, so it will have to wait till I change them to examine the underside of the pickups. What does EMG-S mean? How does the mid-boost control work I wonder? It does get louder and meaner when the tone control is turned up.

Thanks, Dave5
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 410
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 3:25 pm:   Edit Post

Lucky me, I found a website with the answers to my questions"

http://www.guitar.com.au/pickups/emg/Specs.html

Thanks,
Dave
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 797
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Monday, November 21, 2011 - 7:11 pm:   Edit Post

Play her in good health, Dave.

I don't know what your opinion is of the EMGs, but my Modulus is begging for a set of Alembic Activators! :-)
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 411
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 11:16 am:   Edit Post

I like the sound of the guitar. It gets a nice bluesy growl going for lead and has many great rhythm sounds out of the 3 oickups. I installed a trem lock on it last night so it won't flutter when I rest my hand on the bridge. It does not sound like a Strat but has it's own sound.

Can you post a pic of your instrument here?

Thanks,
Dave
afrobeat_fool
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Post Number: 385
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 1:53 pm:   Edit Post

Good to meet you last weekend, Dave. Have a good time in Corvallis this weekend!


Nick
afrobeat_fool
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Username: afrobeat_fool

Post Number: 386
Registered: 7-2009
Posted on Tuesday, November 22, 2011 - 1:54 pm:   Edit Post

Good to meet you last weekend, Dave! have a good show in Corvallis this weekend. How many oickups does this guitar have? LOL!!


Nick
dfung60
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Username: dfung60

Post Number: 522
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, November 23, 2011 - 3:06 pm:   Edit Post

The SPC is still in production (it's probably been around for 25 years now!):

http://www.emgpickups.com/products/category/144/4

If you go to the Product Data Sheets area at the lower right of that page, you can download the installation sheet which shows what it's doing. The idea here is that it makes more of a humbucker tone from a single coil sound.

The S one of the earliest EMG pickups, and it's still in production too:

http://www.emgpickups.com/products/index/47/7/1

This is the model with ceramic magnets and is the "brighter" pickup in the EMG Strat line.

Good stuff and lots of options these days if you want to make a change! Depending on what kinds of sounds you like, you might consider changing one to an SA or SAV (these are warmer alnico magnet pickups, and the SAV has polepiece magnets). Of course, there's an amazing variety of boutique passive pickups out there these days too.

David Fung
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 799
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 10:43 am:   Edit Post

And of course, there's always Alembic Activators ;)

The one thing to consider, if you did go the passive route, is that the single coil router template on these guitars excludes the 'v' wedge on the bridge/treble side of the coil~ most passive pups make use of this space to terminate the leads of the coil.
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 800
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Thursday, November 24, 2011 - 11:23 am:   Edit Post

almost forgot....

gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 412
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Tuesday, November 29, 2011 - 5:15 pm:   Edit Post

Very Nice!! It came with the fixed bridge?
bluplirst
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Username: bluplirst

Post Number: 135
Registered: 12-2004
Posted on Wednesday, November 30, 2011 - 3:16 am:   Edit Post

Modulus Love!

Modulus 12
cozmik_cowboy
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Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 1111
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 9:28 am:   Edit Post

Oh my, that 12er is sweet! Love that cross-hatched maple. Tell us more (in a separate thread if you won't to do that egregious a highjack).

Peter
cozmik_cowboy
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Post Number: 1112
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, December 01, 2011 - 9:29 am:   Edit Post

Double post

(Message edited by cozmik_cowboy on December 01, 2011)
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 802
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Friday, December 02, 2011 - 5:34 pm:   Edit Post

Dave, the hardtail bridge is stock, with the exception of graphite saddles. The neck has the traditional strat headstock, but the original owner swapped out the Grovers for Sperzel tuners.


Dan, Im happy to see that the 12 string went to a club member. That is such an amazing custom piece!
dfung60
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Username: dfung60

Post Number: 524
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2011 - 1:38 pm:   Edit Post

Here's my 1988 Modulus 12-string.

Modulus 12-string Guitar

It's got a bit of an interesting story. This guitar was built for Paul Kantner, but they made an error on the order and routed for two humbuckers instead of a single coil at the neck and a humbucker at the bridge. You can buy EMGs that have single coil pickup guts inside a humbucker casing, but this was more about playing space between the pickups, so they built another one for him. It's a really thick cocobolo top with a maple accent layer and mahogany body.

Before anybody asks - no, there's not a giant knob sticking out of the middle of the neck, that's the guitar stand that it's sitting on!

This one has an unusual neck pickup, a "Geoff Gould special" custom made by EMG. It's got two coils, but just one magnet (one air coil). It sounds really cool, with sort of an "airy" tone, not like anything else. Works really well with the 12-string. The other pickup is a stock EMG-85. The bridge was an old Stars Guitars bridge and the tailpiece was custom cut out of a graphite plate:



It's a really neat sounding guitar. The bridge pickup is all rock, the neck pickup is sort of acoustic like, and with both pickups on it's got an unexpected jangly tone. It takes forever to tune a 12-string Rickenbacker because tuning one string throws everything else out out. With the Modulus, the neck is so stable that no string affects the others when tuning.

I live close to the old Modulus factory when it was in San Francisco, so I got a call one afternoon from Geoff asking if I could bring this guitar up for Steve Miller to try out. He loved the sound and hated the weight of the guitar (he has a shoulder problem where he prefers very light guitars). It's also had a capsule review in Guitar Player magazine as well.

David Fung
gtrguy
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Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 415
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - 11:28 am:   Edit Post

Very pretty guitars with some serious Alembic vibe.

I have to post my 12 string. Made in the Kausga factory, neck-through, great tone, not too heavy and balances well. Labeled "Frontier". You know where the style came from!
d
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 4990
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2011 - 8:59 am:   Edit Post

Had to jump on the 12 string bandwagon. Here's mine, "Big Irv":



Bill, tgo

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