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hydrargyrum
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Username: hydrargyrum

Post Number: 28
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:07 am:   Edit Post

All right, so it seems we know where to look for guitars and basses of the highest quality. My next question is about amplifiers. In each person's opinion, what is the all around best guitar amplifier ever made (if there is one), and who is making the best amps now. This question may be too broad, but I am really curious to hear the group's opinion. Hiwatt, Top Hat, Bogner, Mesa, Marshall, Orange, Fender, Bad Cat, Groove Tubes, etc. (so many famous names).
bracheen
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Username: bracheen

Post Number: 591
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:54 am:   Edit Post

Would it be safe to say that it comes down to desired features and functions? I've heard many an excellent musician playing any number of amps and sound great. My ear is not ultra sensitive. Listening to a recording I couldn't tell you what a person is playing or what amp is being used if any. I can tell if it has frets or not and usually can pick out a Ric. This is probably the case for the vast majority of audience members. I've seen/heard Lynyrd Skynyrd playing through Peavys and sound awesome. I've seen/heard others play through Marshalls, Mesa, Orange, etc. and sound awesome. I don't know that there is an answer to that question. It's like the question is it better to use a 4x10 or a 15.
Personally I'm using Hartke. It sounds good and has lots of knobs to play with. I was told by a guitar player that bass players like lots of knobs. Some people hiss and boo at solid state and tubes are the only way to go for them.

Of course you did ask for opinions and here I go running off at the fingers. My opinion is what gives me the best performance for the best price. Right now it's Hartke. It's trouble free, minimal maintenance, inexpensive, and sounds good. As for the "cool factor" the aluminum cones are great.

I'll be interested in watching and learning from the responses.

Sam
alembic76407
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Username: alembic76407

Post Number: 332
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post

My whole Band uses Mesa/Boogie, they are the Alembic of amps

David T (TLO)
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 55
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:47 am:   Edit Post

Alembic are the Alembic of amps!!!! lol....

I love the versatility of my Mesa stuff. Since putting together a Mesa rig I've never had to worry about the "I need two amps, JCM & Twin" rhetoric....

Other stuff I've failed to part with:

Fender Champs, Pro-Juniors
Sovtek Mig-50
Fender Bassman / Bandmasters
Oliver M-100
hollis
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Username: hollis

Post Number: 381
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 11:48 am:   Edit Post

Well, there are so many schools of thought about this one. Although one thing seems to be a common denominator among every guitar player that I've ever played with: that being tubes tubes tubes! It's very difficult(IMO impossible) to beat the warmth of tubes.

There are so many different considerations when deciding on a guitar rig. What type of sound are you after? What applications is the rig going to be used for? Is cost a main factor? How about your back?

In my case, my main guitar rig is a Mesa Boogie DC-5, an all tube 50 watt amp 12” combo with a Mesa 2X12 cabinet for some added umph. I changed out the 6L6’s with some Sovtek KT-66’s for a little added depth. It seems to be plenty for me. I like the sound, and that’s the name of the game. I have several Mesa Amps, all of which I love. I also have an old Fender Twin that sits in my bedroom I use mostly when writing. It’s an old friend, very familiar.

Now as for the wish list:

I’d love to run an F2B, SF2, through a McIntosh MC2102….Awwww, that’s still a little ways off…..

Then of course there's all the other great amps and speaker combinations......



(Message edited by hollis on September 28, 2004)
the_mule
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Username: the_mule

Post Number: 269
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 12:56 pm:   Edit Post

At the moment I'm using a Hartke top and cab to my full satisfaction. A few weeks from now a Glockenklang 'The Passenger' combo will almost certainly become my second amp. I'm perfectly happy walking the solid state path because of the lower weight and low maintenance when compared to tube amps. I also really don't like the sound-colouration of most tube amps, although I can see why most guitar players have a different perspective. I personally like to see my amp as a blank canvas, and my bass as the brush I'm painting little sonic landscapes with. Eventually I'm likely to add a Fodera outboard preamp and an Alembic Superfilter to my rig, at least that's my goal at this moment. But I carefully take one step at the time. Total sonic freedom lurks at the horizon...

Wilfred
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 527
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 3:19 pm:   Edit Post

The "best" is very subjective. First, you need to determine what type of sound you're after and/or what style of music you expect to play through the thing. Then you can zero-in on a manufacturer. Tone nirvana for you could be found in a cheap, used practice amp, a mega-stack, a high-end boutique job or anywhere in between. There are always exceptions, but the general rule is: (you guessed it) Tubes, Tubes, and more Tubes, LOL!

Go to every guitar store you can find and demo everything under the sun if you're undecided about the general sound you want.

My faves (even though you didn't really ask): any all-tube hard-wired Marshall plexi-style amp...great for that Cream or Awesome Brothers or (fill-in the blank) blues/rock tone. Some offer modern features like effects loops, channel switching and high-gain stages. If this type of sound thrills you, ck out Straub, Germino, Splawn and TopHat to name a few.

Just my $0.02

Happy Hunting.

Cheers,

Kevin
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 528
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 3:31 pm:   Edit Post

Kevin: Ck out this thread for more info on my particular new amp choice. Once I get the thing, I'll post pix and my comments. It should be a stunner both musically and visually!


Click Here

(Message edited by kmh364 on September 28, 2004)
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 34
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 9:41 pm:   Edit Post

I started out on a Heathkit I built myself when I was 13, then a Vox, then an early 70's Fender Pro Reverb with JBLs for many years, and , for the last 18 years, a Boogie Mark III hardwood. I loved the Fender, but the Boogie has everything the Fender has and a LOT MORE. It takes a while to really "get" the Boogie's controls, but once you do, nothing else comes close. I especially love the small size - it fits in my Nissan 300ZX no problem. Also it's fun to play with guys with big Marshall stacks who have never heard a Boogie before. Fisrt they look at and chuckle. Then we start playing and they stop laughing. Then we lug our equipment home and I chuckle. Of course small size doesn't equate with weight. This thing is HEAVY, especially with the beautiful hardwood cab. I always bring a handtruck with me to the gigs. I recently added a matching Boogie Thiele design closed cabinet. It really brings out the bottom and fills out the sound. The availability of the channel swithing (clean rhythm, "crunch" rhythm, and searing lead) offers lots of sonic pallets. Also I have the simulclass which enables me to run the amp at either 15 or 75 watts. A great feature for practice and the studio. One suggestion: many people find the achilles heel of the Mark III to be that the two rhythm channels share the same gain. I never used the direct out in the back of mine, so I brought it to Mesa (in Petaluma, just 15 minutes down the road from Alembic) and had the direct out pot changed to a separate gain for the crunch rhythm channel. Now I can set the volume of these two channels independantly. A great improvement IMHO.

Bill, the guitar one
bigredbass
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Post Number: 301
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 10:33 pm:   Edit Post

This is ssoooooo subjective.

I'd have to agree with my peers: It all depends what YOU are after PLUS who's sound is in the back of your mind that you want to replicate.

Oh if it was only as simple as just duplicating your favorite player's rig . . . but that won't do it.

My only recommendation is to stick with stuff that's well-designed and built. Here in Nashville with so many touring acts, my first question is "does this hold up on the road?", as there's lots of people to answer that question!
I rarely gig anymore, so anything on the YES list of that question will hold up forever for me.

Of the amps built on an 'industrial' scale, Mesa's are at the top of most lists. Ask any dealer how many service calls they get on them, and you get this blank stare while they try to remember the last time they had to fix one !

Lower down the ladder, the Fenders (especially some of the Custom Shop Tone Kings or the Cybers) and Peaveys (5150s and the new Joe Satriani head to name a few) are well built. They don't have Mesa's tone, but they don't cost as much either.

My sentimental favorite (that's utterly useless for distortion) for CLEAN is the Roland JC120. Two power amp-spec amps, unearthly chorus, built like a tank (but they were better when you could get them with JBLs).

The 'boutique' amps are very tasty, but can be problem children with no service very close to you. Can eat up a lot of freight (on YOUR nickel) sending 'em back.

For me, Swiss Army Knife of guitar amps will always be Fender's Twin Reverb: Loud as hell if it has to be, portable, smooth enough for archtop jazz, plenty twangy with a Tele, smoking with a Paul or PRS. Get a matching 212 bin to put under it, you can go anywhere and play anything. Of course, running TWO of 'em in stereo with a SKYLARK and a Lexicon would be out of this world (and loud as hell . . .)

Having demonstrated my limited experience, be sure and understand there's LOTS of good amps out there. Good Luck!

J o e y
dadabass2001
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Username: dadabass2001

Post Number: 251
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 4:53 am:   Edit Post

I seem to remeber on the early 70's Grateful Dead setup (the Wall of Sound or earlier) that both Jerry and Bobby were using Fender Twins as preamps, driving McIntosh power amps into Alembic cabs (see pics from "Europe 72" period)

Mike
bassman10096
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Username: bassman10096

Post Number: 660
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 5:17 am:   Edit Post

That's what they used. Garcia had the top portions of two twins (sans speaker cab) in a custom rack arrangement. One was a black face, the other (his reserve preamp) a silverface twin.
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 534
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 6:10 am:   Edit Post

It makes sense...most of the vintage amps we all love are based off of the same basic tube circuits...Fender's stuff has begat a lot of others, including the revered F-1X/F-2B.

kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 535
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 6:25 am:   Edit Post

Speaking of Fender Twins: anybody out there successfully modify their Twin? That is to say, anything from upgrading speakers/tubes/cabinet to full-on circuit mods like higher-gain stages, effects loops, etc.

I'm fairly satisfied with my Silverface (disco, LOL)Twin...for clean stuff that is. It could definitely use some improvement in bottom-end extension/response as well as a taming of some of the shrillness, especially when pushed. In all fairness the thing was dirt cheap ($250), and in 23yrs. plus of ownership, I've replaced the power switch once ($<5 and 30min with a soldering iron), and last year it got it's first service ever by tube-amp master Jay Bolinski(two pre-amp tubes, a pot cleaning, and general inspection for $80). It still has the original power tubes! I've always wanted to replace the speakers...I cked the codes in the past and I know they are not Gauss, JBL or EV. They are Utah or Oxford, I think.

I'm thinking about going with a Sultone real oiled hardwood open-backed cab (possibly bigger-than-stock dimensions) and upgrading the speakers, maybe Tone Tubby's or Weber VST or..., you get the point. I basically want to preserve the strong points of the amp while minimizing the undesirables, i.e., I'm not trying to make a clean amp into a dirty amp, etc.

Any comments/ideas?

(Message edited by kmh364 on September 29, 2004)
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 888
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 6:34 am:   Edit Post

The guitar player I was playing with for the last few years. I always thought he sounded better when he brought his DeVille instead of his Twin.

I don't think anybody has mentioned Victoria. Debbie Davies plays through Fender and Victoria Bassman heads and a Fender reverb tank.
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 56
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 6:49 am:   Edit Post

Ive cross referenced other silverfaces and they turn out to be Utah (ive had owners mistakenly advertise them as jensens). Does your twin have a master volume?!? If not, there's always that mod, or switching to blackface specs is a mod that's readily available. If & when you decide to change & bias the poweramp tubes, check the tray with all the filter caps in it and make sure they're not leaking.

Joey is right regarding Mesa~ I work part-time with a guy who is an authorized repair center for them. In the past three years the only overhaul I had to do was to change all the pots on a triple rectifier head (there was a bad batch somewhere around 2000). Our only other gripe was that there are no bias pots on Mesa's, so you are at the whim of using their rating system (green, yellow, red) for their tubes, which are essentially matched/tested Sovteks. My friend claims to have figured out the correlation between Sovtek's codes, and Mesa's colors~ we'll see when I change the 8 6L6's in my poweramp... :-)
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 536
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 6:50 am:   Edit Post

Victoria, Matchless, Koch, Carr, Two-Rock, etc. all make vintage Fender-style boutique amps. All are high-end sound, construction and price-wise.
pace
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Username: pace

Post Number: 57
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 6:59 am:   Edit Post

The older 2 channel tweed Devilles are great amps Dave! The newer 3 channel ones have some fundamental differences that I dont like. My 4x10 tweed is an amp I regret selling, but I needed to in order to make way for my Mesa.

There's a Carr Rambler over at my girlfriend's place and thats a pretty nice amp if your into the Princton / Pro Reverb sized combos...
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 537
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 7:06 am:   Edit Post

Mike: Yup, it's a crappo master-volume model (130W "deluxe" job, LOL!) ca. '78-'79. I had Jay look over the thing carefully as I've heard the stories about leaky caps burning the amp down. This one has had very little usage (a lot of turn-ons/turn-offs, but no steady high-volume usage). When I questioned Jay about upgrades (mods) he basically put it this way: "it am what it am...it's an OK amp, but it'll never be a blackface or a 'plexi'"

BTW, Jay is a disciple of Marshall plexi's (more like a worshipper, LOL). He must have about two dozen of them in various states of disassembly around his cluttered basement shop, but he won't part with any of them, LOL!

Unless someone has negative experience doing same, I think I can wake the thing up with a new cab and speaker replacement...it just depends on the final cost. It might be cheaper to go with a new amp, LOL! Having said that, it's difficult to replace a 'clean' amp with lots of headroom these days as everything seems to be either vintage blues-rock (i.e., increase the vol, increase the tube "edge" distortion) or death-metal/shred/seven-string bass-heavy distorted mondo stacks. Both of today's favored types are VERY expensive as well.
poor_nigel
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Post Number: 234
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 7:13 am:   Edit Post

72 Oak Twin

Hey Kevin. I took a 72 Twin that I bought for $200, about ten years, whose cabinet was cracked and built it a solid oak head and front ported speaker cabinet. I learned to make dove-tailed joints on it. It came out exceptional. I had the D-120F's reconed with real D-120F cones, which you cannot get these days.

In the picture above, you can see most of the head. The bottom section hold the reverb unit in a sliding panel, so it can be accessed easily, but you can keep cords on top of it, no problem.

The bottom looks a bit like a single ported Eden 2x10 cabinet, sans quacker horn. The lows were extended a bit, and the highs were kept. It was solid as a tank, and it was a bit heavy, so I put it on some really nice casters.

This was traded to a professor, Eddie, at Chico State as part of a debt I owed him. He sent me this picture a couple of months ago. He had a problem with it once and took it here: http://www.themusiczoo.com/wayneguitars.htm where they replaced a tube and cleaned a couple of pots, I believe. They were very impressed with the sound, so the hardwood cabinet seemed to work out for the better. These are not oiled cabinets, but were sprayed by a friend using the same finish he used on guitars.

My quick upgrade for the loss of my Twin was to buy a 68 Silver-faced Dual Showman, with the black-faced circuit in it. I got it with D-130F's in it, and I added an empty 68 Bandmaster 2x12 bottom and put 12" Gauss speakers in it. It is very clean, but will overdrive nicely, if demanded. I don't pay much attention to guitar amps, but I believe a Dual Showman is identical to a Twin Reverb - except the older Showman amps had no reverb.
poor_nigel
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Username: poor_nigel

Post Number: 235
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 7:36 am:   Edit Post

Opps: Wrong site listed. Eddie actually took his Twin to Wayne & Michael Charvel's shop in Paradise, which is very close to Chico, California. Not the distributor for his stuff. Sorry, my senility is acting up again. The correct link is: http://www.wayneguitars.com/guitar_history.html
hollis
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Username: hollis

Post Number: 382
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 11:14 am:   Edit Post

When I plug the Mesa 2X12 into my twin it is indeed air shattering.....

Thomas, If memory serves, I seem to remember that the Dual Showman doesn't have tremelo (does it?), otherwise, I think they're pretty much the same....

By the way, nice guitars!
davehouck
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Post Number: 890
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 11:38 am:   Edit Post

According to the site,
http://www.ampwares.com/ffg/
the Dual Showman had vibrato but no reverb, except for the Dual Showman Reverb. However, the Red Knob Showman did not have vibrato.
poor_nigel
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Username: poor_nigel

Post Number: 236
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 11:39 am:   Edit Post

68 Dual

Yo Hollis. Yep, same as a Twin, except no reverb. I use the head every once in a while for bass, but never with the bottoms gotten for it. Very warm and clean bass output. Very nice for a 60's sound, especially hooked up to a couple of old Sunn bottoms. My old Sunn heads seem dirtier. I think they all need to be serviced for old caps, but I will not take them to anyone around here. When I move back to the West coast, I will definitely do that.
hollis
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Post Number: 383
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post

Well..... so much for memory.....
One thing I do remember is the crystal tones...
hollis
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Post Number: 384
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 12:25 pm:   Edit Post

Well..... so much for memory.....
One thing I do remember is the crystal tones...
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 540
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 3:49 pm:   Edit Post

Ooops, I was wrong...I rechecked the speaker serial numbers and the original "Fender Musical Instruments" 12"s in my Silverface are made by Pyle. I think EV's or JBL's were a $50-$100 Fender factory option on an amp that originally MSRP'ed at $1,000 back in '81 when I bought the thing.

I spoke to Bill Boekhoff today. He quoted me $500 delivered to my door for a gorgeous oversized (i.e., larger than stock) hand-rubbed and polished tung-oiled mahogany Twin Reverb cabinet with a center section in flame maple (same sound principle as a Les Paul) and mellotone grille cloth. He's making it with a covertible back that can be removed in sections to "tune" the bass response and openess (made from 3/4' mahogany). He's also going to supply me with new Weber California 12"s at a discount which are modern versions of the old discontinued JBL D120F.

Bill is a Fender tube amp freak: he claims to have at least 40 various Fenders of various vintages in various states of repair. His forte is rescuing old, banged-up amps...one's that only the amp chassis is salvageable...and turning them into gold by mounting them in one of his awesome hardwood cabs with new premium drivers in them for his personal use. He is a Silverface man (he actually prefers them over Blackfaces for certain types/styles of music) and knew exactly what I was talking about as far as my complaints went. I told him I wanted a clean amp, mostly for jazz and clean rock tones that preserves the headroom, but firms up and extends the flabby bass while taming the shrillness. He said that the mahogany/maple combo would sound nice, and the extended higher- quality convertible back would tune the bass nicely while calming the highs. The JBL-clone speakers are uncolored and would not break-up even at high levels. Sounds perfect! He said that If I didn't like the way the Silverface chassis looked with the new cab, I could get a new "blackface" panel from Fender for $35 and drill-out an additional hole for the Master Vol. without encroaching on the "Fender" Logo.

So let's recap: for another $500 plus $170 = $670 delivered I can transform my old Silverface Twin (a decent stock amp in it's own right, just ask Steve Howe, Ted Nugent, Tim May, Dennis Budomir, Tommy Tedesco, etc., LOL!) into a really toneful LOUD and CLEAN jazz amp! Hmmmm...lessee....TOTAL investment: Amp $250, Switch $5, Tune-up $80, Larry LeCover Custom 2000Denier Ballistic nylon cover $35, Sultone Cab $500, Weber VST speakers $170...

Grand Total = $1040 ($1075 if I want it to look like a blackface)

Spread that over 23yrs of ownership, thats $45/yr, or so, LOL!

Can I get an amp that sounds that clean and loud in a gorgeous hardwood cab with premium speakers for that kind of money? Remember,$370 of that money is already spent and the amp is usable in it's current state. If I change out the cab, I can always restore it to stock for an EBAY sale if I had to, or conversely I can put a chassis from a wrecked amp in it.

Decisions, decisions, decisions, LOL! Bill can have it delivered to my door in about a month if I place the order this week.
hollis
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Post Number: 386
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 4:25 pm:   Edit Post

That sounds sweet Kevin........

Now, let me see... Honey, you won't believe how much better this amp is going to sound with a hardwood cab..... Does Bill also make custom dog houses?
I think I'm gonna need one LOL!
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 546
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, September 29, 2004 - 5:14 pm:   Edit Post

Anybody remember that great '78 Guitar Player Magazine with Jerry Garcia and "Wolf" on the cover?

Not only was Jerry's interview excellent..it explained about his rig and Doug Irwin's stereo effects loop mods on his former Alembic(s) and revealed that he didn't listen to other guitar players but that he listened to Jazz HORN greats for guitar inspiration and phrasing (Ornette Coleman specifically)...but there was also a big article on what all the GREAT studio guitarists of the day were using for equipment. ALL of them had a Fender Silverface Twin Reverb combo, custom pedalboards with tons of stomp boxes (rack-mount guitar effects didn't really exist then) and usually an ES-335 or similar (some had Strats and Les Pauls in addition to the Electric Spanish Gibson).

I tell you, after that article, I had to have a Twin! It was a who's who of some of the greatest guitar players ever...Larry Carlton (especially), Lee Ritenour and the greats mentioned above (who has more studio/record/commercial/film score, etc. appearances than Tommy Tedesco? LOL!).

Seriously, back in the day, in my young, naive pot-clouded mind there was only Gibson and Fender guitars and Marshall and Fender amps PERIOD, LOL!. I don't think I ever quite got over having to own one or more of each, LOL!

BTW, I know Steve Howe still uses two Silverface Twins on-stage (stereo?), I don't know about Mr. Biltong (Nugent) though.
bigredbass
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Post Number: 302
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post

I'll repeat a shameless plug for a friend of mine here, with your indulgence.

Check out www.boydenamps.com. Dick Boyden is an old friend of mine, and he heads up the repair department at Tringas Music, the ALEMBIC dealer in Pensacola, FL. Dick is a first-rate player, an utterly qualified instrument AND amp tech, and the type of guy you can trust. First rate, and I'm sure anybody in Pensacola these days could use the business.

J o e y
hydrargyrum
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Post Number: 30
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 2:37 pm:   Edit Post

Joey,
I think the link should be http://www.boydenamp.com/

Kevin
valvil
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Post Number: 549
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 3:52 pm:   Edit Post

I've never played one myself, but I heard lots of good things about Dumble Amplifiers. They are very expensive and rare. I know that folks like SRV, Larry Carlton, Carlos Santana, & Joe Satriani, to name a few, use (or used in SRV's case, of course) Dumble amps. Vox modeled a couple of Dumbles and included those in the Valvetronix line of amps.

Valentino
jorge_s
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Post Number: 36
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 5:18 pm:   Edit Post

I am completely in love with my new amp. I received the same caliber of attention from Aiken Amplifiers as I did from the fine folks at Alembic. Mr. Aiken will personally answer any questions you may have and will custom tweak the amp for the customer. Check out http://www.aikenamps.com/ It contains a lot of info on tube amps in general.
hollis
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Post Number: 392
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 5:59 pm:   Edit Post

Jorge,
That looks like some sweet stuff.

Joey,
Ditto. What are Boyden prices like?
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 549
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, September 30, 2004 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

Stevie had a Howard Dumble Steel String Stinger Head, amongst other amps, mostly vintage Fenders, but his tone mostly came from his technique as well as a little help from a couple of original Ibanez Tube Screamer distortion stomp boxes. Oh yeah, and he used Alembic's StratoBlasters, LOL! (Susan let that one slip a while back).

Let's face it, that guy could play a plastic toy guitar through tin cans and a string and sound good. Old Guitar Player Magazine story (from Eric Clapton): He once unintentionally humbled Clapton in an impromptu studio situation when Clapton's guitar(s) were unavailable and only a cheap, poor-playing no-name junk guitar was floating around in the studio. Clapton whined he couldn't play the thing because it was so bad as to be unplayable. Stevie gave him his guitar and he played the POS so they could jam together. Well, Stevie smoked 'ole Slow Hand on the crappo guitar, and impressed the hell out of everyone there, especially Eric. LOL!

It just goes to show you: equipment isn't everything: it takes usually a lot more than matching you favorite player's equipment to sound like him, LOL.

Similar story from Ted Nugent: he and Van Halen were on the same bill for a show. During the soundcheck, Nuge had the opportunity to try Eddie's mondo amp rig. He figured that crazy sound HAD to be due to the equipment, not Eddie's playing. He reckoned anyone that plugged into that rig should sound just like Eddie, right? Well he plugged in, had the sound man crank it up and Ted began to wail and....PRESTO!.....he sounded just like Ted Nugent did while playing through his wall of Fender Twins! LOL! Even the immodest Motor City Madman was humbled after he realized that Eddie's sound came from his FINGERS (with only a little modded-Marshall help, LOL!).
palembic
Senior Member
Username: palembic

Post Number: 1674
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 6:34 pm:   Edit Post

I had a shat today with our guitarplayer and he plays ENGL amps and speakers.
The ENGL speakers are used by the Gov'the mule guitarist who's name is escaping me know.
See
www.engl-amps.com

Paul the bad one

the_mule
Advanced Member
Username: the_mule

Post Number: 284
Registered: 1-2004
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 2:22 am:   Edit Post

Paul, that would be Warren Haynes. Greatest guitar player of this time IMHO...

Wilfred

P.S. To every bassist the following Gov't Mule releases are HIGHLY recomended: The Deep End I + II 2CD sets, The Deepest End 2CD/1DVD set and the Rising Low documentary DVD!
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 582
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 7:08 am:   Edit Post

Amen, Wilfred! I had the opportunity to see Warren this year in three out of his four guises: Gov't Mule, The Allman Brothers and The Dead (I missed his solo acoustic thing he did at Bonnaroo and as an opener for the Dead on some shows). While his physical girth (ahem) seems to increase as time goes on, fortunately so does his musical talent and ability. He simply seems to improve every time I see him (quite an accomplishment for someone as accomplished musically as he is).

BTW, For those that care: I took the plunge and had Bill Boekhoff at Sultone make me a new hardwood cab for my Silverface Twin. He's getting me the Weber JBL-clone drivers so all I have to do is transfer the old chassis and Accutronics spring reverb tank to the new cab and plug it right in! He even took another $50 off because of the double order (i.e., in addition to the twin cab, I originally ordered a new matching 2x10 hardwood cab for my Custom Straub "plexi"-style head).

Paul TBO: Actually, Warren uses a bunch of stuff, including a Marshall "Plexi" and matching 4x12 cab of the same vintage, along with some ENGL gear.

BTW, You had a "SHAT" today with your guitar player? I hope everything came out alright, LOL! J/K. Please excuse my little joke, Your English is light years ahead of my Flemish/French/Dutch/German/Italian/Latin/Spanish! Actually, I think your English is better than mine too, LOL!

Cheers,

Kevin

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