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hollis
Senior Member
Username: hollis
Post Number: 458
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 4:11 pm: |  |
A very cool sight. Thanks Kevin.
BTW, How's that sweet Orion of yours working out? |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 618
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 4:21 pm: | |
You're welcome, Hollis.
Unfortunately, I haven't spent much time with her over the past month. I've been busy at work and have been unusually tired. My desire to play is directly proportional to the energy I have left at the end of the day...lately, it's been zilch. Change in the seasons (i.e, summer to fall to winter) with the shorter days and colder weather always depresses me I guess. I need to practice my guitar some more as well...just ask my guitar instructor, LOL!
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hollis
Senior Member
Username: hollis
Post Number: 459
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 4:56 pm: | |
Sometimes it's hard to find enough hours in the day. Hopefully, your rhythms will start to sync up with the seasons in the not too distant future.
Take care |
tom_z
Member
Username: tom_z
Post Number: 52
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Friday, October 22, 2004 - 8:44 pm: | |
Wow!! Thanks for the link Kevin! Awesome site - good bandwidth - many bands - hope it stays up for a while.
Tom |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 619
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 5:14 am: | |
You're welcome, Tom. Finding that site was like being a kid at Christmas. I am in love with the thing, LOL! There is lots of info about the shows as well, including the source of the tape. There are some poor recordings there, but the majority are soundboard derived. Ck out Wembley/London in '72...polar opposites and an exact example of what I mean...one day is a horrendous cassette recording, and the other is straight off of the board a la Alembic's Europe '72 LP! It has the same sound, balance and feel as the album, and the song selection and performances are excellent. It's probably no secret that I share my favorite Dead incarnation with Susan: Pig Pen and Alembic's recordings! The '72 tour was probably the best ever, and there are many examples of same up on this site, including the U.S. before/after "Europe" dates.
BTW: get 'em while there hot. The site has a writen disclaimer about the Dead's official recording policy which allows non-commercial use of any of the "unofficial" recordings. As soon as they make an "official" release a la "Dick's Picks" or "Rockin' the Rhein" ('72 Rheinhalle/ Dusseldorf, Deutschland), they take it away (unless it was a non-soundboard recording). I just glossed over the thing, but you get the idea. |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 620
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, October 23, 2004 - 5:44 am: | |
All: If you're interested in getting "bootleg" GD shows to burn on your own CD-R's and even get cover art for jewel cases for same...go to:
http://dozin.com/#
That's where I got the LAMA site link (above) for the show downloads. They also have links that have a chat room for show downloads and sites that have cool cover art for anything you can imagine.
Ck it out...that site is a gem of a Dead Head resource...it can also hook you up with other Jam Band recordings/cover art incl. Gov't. Mule, Dave Mathews, Phish, etc.
ENJOY!!! |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 662
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, November 04, 2004 - 7:23 pm: | |
Fire the DVD players up...The long-awaited Grateful Dead Movie is FINALLY being released tomorrow! I pre-ordered mine from the Dead's on-line store and cannot wait to get it. They threw in a bunch of new stuff (two discs!) and they have a companion CD set that docments the entire '74 Winterland SF "farewell" run that spawned the movie. I'll keep the GD faithful informed when I get 'em. |
the_mule
Advanced Member
Username: the_mule
Post Number: 303
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 12:13 am: | |
Thanks for the heads up Kevin, I'll definitely check that one out!
Wilfred |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 663
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 3:58 am: | |
Until then, I'm being tided-over by the LAMA site and am listening to the '72 Rheinhalle disc set as I type...You simply cannot beat the Dead with Pig Pen in the lineup! Another great musical sole lost way too young in the abyss that was the early '70's. |
jacko
Junior
Username: jacko
Post Number: 44
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 6:52 am: | |
So what's the movie called kevin? is it the festival express disc I've seen out recently?
graeme |
the_mule
Advanced Member
Username: the_mule
Post Number: 314
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 7:38 am: | |
I'm anxiously waiting for the 'Grateful Dead Records' and 'Arista' albums to be re-released separately. I certainly want 'Blues For Allah', the expanded 2CD (!) 'Reckoning', 'Terrapin Station' maybe, or should I just buy the entire box set, hmmmm...
http://www.gdforum.com/store/music/WB_boxset2.html
Wilfred |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 666
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, November 05, 2004 - 10:24 am: | |
Graeme: It's called simply "The Greatful Dead Movie". It was recorded over a series of shows at SF's Winterland Theatre in '74 that were supposed to be the Dead's "farewell tour". Jerry decided to learn to be a filmaker and document the whole thing professionally. It took over two years to assemble and edit the whole thing and it was eventually released theatrically across the country in '76. It is awesome and, in my opinion, is the consumate "concert film".
Wilfred: Buy the set...it is awesome! If you buy from the Dead on-line store, you'll save money on the package deal and you'll get a bonus if you order today (a 6" piece of film of an original theatrical print of the movie). |
dadabass2001
Advanced Member
Username: dadabass2001
Post Number: 286
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 6:06 am: | |
Another Interesting video document that has just come out is "Festival Express", about the touring train concert series across Canada in the summer of 1970. With surprisingly good footage of the Grateful Dead, The Band and Janis Joplin among many others (yeah , even one song by Sha Na Na ... they flew in for one show and split). Jerry playing a SG and Phil playing an EB-2, Pigpen on stage, Buddy Guy with a 100foot guitar cord so he can go roaming pre-wireless tech.
I found this double DVD without hype at my local Blockbuster Video. Quite a Friday night surprise!
Mike |
strangerones
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Username: strangerones
Post Number: 4
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Saturday, November 06, 2004 - 12:20 pm: | |
Festival Express is fantastic. Though I'm a big Deadhead, I thought the concert footage of Buddy Guy stole the show. His energy was just fantastic.
The scene on the train where a bunch of em' are sitting around jamming to some tune, and Jerry is telling Janis that he loves her is a great moment. Had me grinning from ear to ear.
The Grateful Dead isn't for everybody. I've often found to really dig into their sound, one needs to be knocked back a peg or two to understand whats really going on... |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 675
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 5:05 am: | |
Get the Dead movie...the new release is awesome! |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 676
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Saturday, November 13, 2004 - 5:10 am: | |
BTW, the extras on the movie release are in many ways better than the movie.
The companion soundtrack is awesome and covers the entire 'final' Winterland run.
The biggest gem is the "Beyond Description" box set. While there is nothing better than a Dead show, the albums providing the genesis for all those great performances are certainly worthwhile. The extra cuts and the re-mastering really wake these oldies up. |
andrewknight
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Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 5
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 3:30 am: | |
From being up close to stage at many Dead and JGB shows, I can say that Jerry spent a lot of time making sure his guitar was spot on. Phil was the same with his Bass and Bob seemed to look at his tuner and hit it a lot. Okay...just kidding about Bob. But he didn't seem to check so often and carefully.
Voices. Jerry was an old soul if you believe in that stuff and his voice always seemed like that of a wise man that figured out that happiness is a decision, but that emotion whether good, or sad is worth having. He was a teacher to me in these simple, but important lessons when I was a teen. I loved Jerry's voice...still do. Bob grates on me in pretty much every aspect of his performance. I guess he was happy being a rythm guitarist and that was handy.
It seemed the Dead's keyboard players were always pretty decent singers at least, if not darn good.
JGB shows were a Garcia spectacle. A fantastic display of Garcia letting completely loose in all songs and doing whatever he wanted to. I enjoyed JGB shows much more than Dead shows for this fact, although there were many times I wished Phil was there instead of John Kahn (not bagging on John, but Phil is Phil...enough said?)
It seems people either get the dead, or don't and those classifications cross the borders between musicians, and listeners. Many musicians just couldn't get it, while many listeners could. This blows my mind because I humbly feel that Jerry was the most musical person to ever put fingers on strings.
I guess I'll stop now.
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mint_bass
Advanced Member
Username: mint_bass
Post Number: 228
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 4:59 am: | |
hi
Could some one give me a link to see the grateful deads wall of sound as i have never seen it and am interested.
thanks andrew MB |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 689
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, November 29, 2004 - 6:07 am: | |
Andrew MB:
http://dozin.com/gearheads.html
Andrew K:
Well Put.
Cheers,
Kevin |
jacko
Member
Username: jacko
Post Number: 59
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 1:14 am: | |
Andrew.
I posted a picture in the showcase section.. here's the link.
http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/12767.html?1097523444
graeme |
tom_z
Member
Username: tom_z
Post Number: 73
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 2:47 pm: | |
"Bob grates on me in pretty much every aspect of his performance. I guess he was happy being a rythm guitarist and that was handy."
I have heard this before and I never quite understood the sentiment. I knew many people who, at the first signs of a Bobby song, would bolt for the lobby or start jabbering at anyone within listening distance.
I have listened very carefully to the way the band communicates musically and have come to the conclusion that Bobby has elevated the craft of the rhythm guitarist. His chord voicings are truly amazing and his syncopated rhythms and unusual phrasing is, to me, inseparable from the Grateful Dead feel. Jerry is quoted as saying ". . .His (Weir's) playing, in a way, really puts my playing in the only kind of meaningful context it could enjoy. . ."
The communication and interplay among ALL members of the Dead, and the energy brought by each is what made the music so incredible. Also, some of my favorite Grateful Dead numbers are Bobby songs - Sugar Magnolia, Playing in the Band, Me and my Uncle, Cassidy, Music Never Stopped, . . .
I can understand that some regard Bobby as a bit "Show Biz" or flashy in his stage presentation, but in comparison to other stuff out there, it never really seemed excessive. I also realize that when he was learning to play slide guitar on stage it was pretty painful. However, I always felt his craftsmanship and inventiveness was excellent.
Well, off my soapbox now - just my two cents.
Tom |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 702
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 3:37 pm: | |
Right on, Tom. Bobby is certainly a corn-ball, but that's part of his charm. After all, did ya really want another Jerry up there? I've grown to appreciate Bob and also realize that it wouldn't be the Dead without him. Parts that I just associated with Jerry were actually played by Weir...the lovely melody line during the beginning of live China Cat Sunflower, for instance. Bobby plays a lot more than just chords. He is most certainly the finest Rhythmn guitar player in all of rock n' roll hands down IMHO. |
jagerphan84
Intermediate Member
Username: jagerphan84
Post Number: 129
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 4:02 pm: | |
I think Bobby is a great performer. His style of guitar and his vocals are both pretty far from the norm, but IMHO he pulls both off very well. One of my favorite live albums is Bob Weir/Rob Wasserman Live. Rob is able to follow Bobby's crazy chord changes without missing a beat, and Bobby is in fine shape vocally. A couple highlights on the album are "Victim or the Crime" and "Heaven Help the Fool." And surely anyone who enjoys this album should give a listen to RatDog, which was formed out of this duo... |
andrewknight
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Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 23
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 8:52 pm: | |
Okay, although I bagged on Booby, I will say that I enjoyed it when the Dead played some of Bobby's songs. Cassidy and Sugar Magnolia stand out, as well as what I consider his best composition: Throwing Stones. Not to mention On The Road again was a fun Bobb tune. But to be honest, I'd be lying if a lot of the reason that I liked Bobby's tunes is that when he sang, Jerry did some really cool stuff on his guitar. The nice part of Dead shows vs. JGB were the times that Jerry could focus on color/rythm while Bobby sang.
I don't know if I have a true dislike for Bobby's stuff, or if Jerry is too much of a hero of mine for me to want to listen to anyone but him when he is on stage. Yeah, the band is the sum of the parts though, and there were certainly some magical moments that you cannot attribute to one person, you have to tip the hat to all.
So I want to give Bobby credit, and respect. By the way, he does a really nice job with Bruce Cockburn on "Whole Night Sky" (also with Bonnie Raitt playing a nice slide solo on that tune).
So, bottom line, my opinion of Bobby's contribution is skewed by my overactive hero worship of Jerry. However, went to a Rat Dog show once. I'd rather see SCI...and countless others. I left early. That was strange for a guy that used to take his summers and dedicate them to following the Dead around the country. Perhaps why I left had more to do with me missing Jerry than Rat Dog's performance since it was too soon after Jerry goin on his road (for me).
I think I'll go watch Winterland.
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smiley
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Username: smiley
Post Number: 10
Registered: 10-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 11:25 pm: | |
To simply state, that Bob was "just a rhythm guitarist" does not give credit to the Dead. Listen to how he progressed as a player. I like to think of his playing style as rhythm-lead, many times he would throw licks in here and their that completely complimented the song. Listen to most bands and the "rhythm" player is playing strictly chords with no imagination. |
the_mule
Advanced Member
Username: the_mule
Post Number: 343
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, December 01, 2004 - 11:43 pm: | |
I dare to call myself a Deadhead although I've never had the chance to witness the phenomenon live, and IMHO Jerry needed Bob as much as Bob needed Jerry. Those two guitars in dialogue (and Phil's bass off course) made the Grateful Dead sound. I was watching the Grateful Dead Movie re-release (which I rate much higher than the Closing of Winterland set) and was especially moved by Bob Weir's strong vocal performance. His guitar was often too low in the mix in favour of Jerry's fabulous leads, but I respect Bob Weir as much a I respect Jerry, both as guitar players and songwriters, and I actually prefer Bob's singing to Jerry's. Let's not forget that Jerry could only become an icon with a little help from his friends...
Wilfred |
jimbobv
Junior
Username: jimbobv
Post Number: 20
Registered: 4-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 9:05 am: | |
For incredible example of Bob's rhythm chord selection, listen to Truckin' on Europe 72, specifically after the end of the vocals, as they go into the jam. Jerry and Phil are already into the jam, and Bob pulls out some wild rhythm chords that stand my hair on end. |
tom_z
Member
Username: tom_z
Post Number: 75
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 10:15 am: | |
Speaking of Europe 72, Bobby is also featured on the end of China Cat after the vocals, before the transition to Rider - a very tasty bit of rhythm work with really nice piano and Phil driving the tempo. =D |
bracheen
Senior Member
Username: bracheen
Post Number: 632
Registered: 11-2003
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 11:23 am: | |
Having never been a Dead fan my exposure to them has been limited to whatever made it to FM radio and a copy of the Anthem of the Sun album that somehow made it's way into my collection somewhere around '68 or '69. I still have no idea how it got there.
This thread however has my curiousity up, especially with this latest discussion about Bob Weir. I really need to give them a closer listen and from what's been written here the live recordings are the best. Is that a correct statement?
Sam |
andrewknight
Junior
Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 25
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 11:25 am: | |
Wilfred,
I think you can call yourself a Deadhead as long as you love the music. Rest assured, some will argue with you, but that is no different than experiences that I had. I have been told I was not a true Deadhead even after over 100 shows and tens of thousands of miles of driving/flying to see them and JGB and Jerry solo accoustic (with John Kahn on stand up bass) etc... Why? I never dropped acid. I was told that I couldn't be a Deadhead until I had experienced a show while on Acid. Something to do with seeing my sister OD when I was 7 kept me away from such activities. In my mind I'm a Deadhead and that is what counts just like you are a Deadhead in your mind/heart.
That said, some people have no question that Bobby was essential to the Dead. We saw Pigpen, Keith, Brent and various other keyboardists with the Dead. Although the flavor was different, it was always the Dead. As soon as Jerry died, all that is left of the Dead is art and recordings/memories etc. I'm not sure any other member of the Dead would have had that impact on my interpretation of what the Dead was. In fact, I'm really sure that in my mind that Jerry was the heart and soul of the Dead and the truly only essential member of the band.
This doesn't mean that I'm right, but I'm right for me just like you are right in your definition of Deadhead and what the Dead is and who was essential.
All this said, your and other posts have made me put on a few bootlegs and DVD's and listen with a new ear. So thanks for that.
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andrewknight
Junior
Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 26
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 11:28 am: | |
Sam,
The live Dead is definitely what you want to go for. They were improvisational masters and you don't get a whole lot of the improvisation in studio work. Certainly never near the magic of a live show.
Andrew |
the_mule
Advanced Member
Username: the_mule
Post Number: 349
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 12:18 pm: | |
What I really like about the remasters, for instance in the 'Beyond Description' boxset, is that there's not only the 'standard' live bonus tracks, but also studio outtakes and jams. The remastered AoxomoxoA offers some great studio jams too, and maybe some other WB remasters, but I'm not sure. Very impressive, crystal clear Dead-in-the-studio improvisational magic...
Wilfred |
tom_z
Member
Username: tom_z
Post Number: 76
Registered: 7-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 12:25 pm: | |
Sam - "Live Dead" and "Europe '72" are fine examples of earlier live recordings that also have the distinction of direct Alembic involvement. I've always enjoyed "One From the Vault" as well. There are dozens of "Dick's Picks" live releases and if you want to get a dose of raw live recordings try:
http://www.archive.org/audio/etreelisting-browse.php?collection=etree&cat=Grateful%20Dead
Here you'll find thousands of bootlegs and board recordings of various quality (might not be the best place to start, as most of these recordings are not professionally done - check the reviews - but they're free) and you can stream a lot of the recordings. |
andrewknight
Junior
Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 28
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Thursday, December 02, 2004 - 1:02 pm: | |
one of my favorite shows
http://www.archive.org/audio/etree-details-db.php?id=17768 |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 704
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 6:55 am: | |
Andrew: I though the same as you...that it would still be the Dead with the loss of anyone else BUT Jerry. I was wrong...while it was different without him (no one can every replace Jerry), it was still the Dead. Hearing the rest of the band, with supplementation from guests like Warren Haines, Joan Osborn, Steve Winwood, Jimmy Herring/Jeff Chimenti/et al, the vibe was still there.
The moral of the story: Life is seldom ever static...things inevitably change and not usually for the better. The Dead with Jerry constantly evolved, and not always for the best. It's all good, though. |
andrewknight
Junior
Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 29
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 9:23 am: | |
kmh,
That is very cool that you found the vibe again. Perhaps now that years have gone by, I could do the same. I'll be more open to it from now on. I'm not sure if I'll get it again, but we can hope! I know that when I play my guitar and mumble (aka sing) I sometimes get a feeling that I am connected to that vibe. I don't know why only I should be able to do that for me ;-)
Andrew |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 705
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:00 am: | |
Ck out the Dead on their next tour...if you have an open mind, you won't be disappointed.
BTW, no one sings like Jerry, but Jimmy Herring is an excellent player that certainly has a Garcia-like vibe to his playing. |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 706
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:16 am: | |
Ck out the Dead on their next tour...if you have an open mind, you won't be disappointed.
BTW, no one sings like Jerry, but Jimmy Herring is an excellent player that certainly has a Garcia-like vibe to his playing. |
pace
Member
Username: pace
Post Number: 93
Registered: 4-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 11:37 am: | |
2005 will be the 40th anniversary for boys, and there are so many rumors concerning them pulling all the stops for this summer..... but who knows?!?!? IMHO the past two summer tours were sub-par save for a couple of hot nights...
Phil is doing rehearsals for his run of shows at the Warfield and the list of people going in & out of their practice space looks pretty diverse. The "classic quintet" (phil, barraco, molo, haynes, herring) that Phil toured w/ since 2000 seems to be put on a back burner. The whole Phil & Friends interpretation of the repetoire has always sparked more intrigue for me~ the improv has always gone a little furthur, and the energy always seems higher, but again thats just my opinion.... |
andrewknight
Junior
Username: andrewknight
Post Number: 30
Registered: 11-2004
| | Posted on Friday, December 03, 2004 - 12:18 pm: | |
Will do. We all need people to open our minds now and then and all you guys helped me do that. That's important! Thanks very much |
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364
Post Number: 707
Registered: 9-2003
| | Posted on Monday, December 06, 2004 - 3:53 am: | |
I was also hoping to catch Weir and Ratdog, but he cancelled just as the fall tour was about to commence citing exhaustion as the culprit.
It's all good...just catch 'em live before somebody else dies. I used to think I had plenty of time to see the Dead with Jerry (and Stevie Ray)...that was until they both died. Luckily, I'd seen the Dead w/Jerry (and SRV) more than once.
(Message edited by kmh364 on December 06, 2004) |
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