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| grcyal8r
New Username: grcyal8r Post Number: 1 Registered: 11-2004 |
Could anybody help me how the effects work on the Tribute guitar.I was wondering what I need to get the effects loop part to work properly.I do have the stereo cable but am unsure how to hook it up properly.If somebody could point me in some direction that would be great. | ||
| bracheen
Senior Member Username: bracheen Post Number: 618 Registered: 11-2003 |
Good morning Wayne, and welcome. Try this link http://www.alembic.com/info/manual_tribute.html Hopefully that will help. Sorry but not being a guitarist I can't give any first hand advice. There are several Tribute owners around though. Sam | ||
| pace
Member Username: pace Post Number: 70 Registered: 4-2004 |
You'll need to get a splitter for the pedal board side of the cable, but this is how it breaks down: Tip = Send Ring = Return Sleeve = Ground | ||
| grcyal8r
New Username: grcyal8r Post Number: 2 Registered: 11-2004 |
i appreciate the replies but what i actually mean is the hookup to the effects it's self.I'm using a digitech prossesor model RP6 I'm wondering if i should get away from this and go back to conventional pedal setup.what i need is a good diagram on where to plug everything in.I can use the guitar like a regular guitar through the the mono side but can't figure out how to get the stereo part to work like Garcia.If anybody can help me with this that would be great. | ||
| lbpesq
Intermediate Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 123 Registered: 7-2004 |
Wayne: Think in terms of a chain. Normally, your chain goes from the pick ups through the tone and volume controls in the guitar, then out the guitar's output jack to a cable, then to your effects, then out of the effects into an amp. Or, alternatively, guitar > cable > amp with effects loop and effects patched into said effects loop. For purposes of this discussion, let's assume the first model: guitar > effects > amp. What Garcia did, and the standard Tribute and Further electronics provide, is effectively alter the chain to the following: pickups > straight to effects > back to guitar, through guitar's tone and volume controls > out to amp. The purpose was for Garcia's effects to always see the same signal, not a signal that changed as the guitar's volume/tone controls changed. This helped him to get a consistent sound from his effects night after night. To accomplish this, a stereo cable is used which is actually like squeezing two mono cables together. The signal goes from your pick ups out one side of the stereo cable to the input on your effects chain. The final output on your effects chain goes back through the stereo cable to the guitar where it now goes through the tone/volume controls, then out the mono cable to the amp. I believe the Tribute/Further electronics also allow you to put the effects loop after the guitar's volume/tone controls which then allows you to completely bypass the effects loop when not in use. I hope I got this right and it helps. Bill, tgo | ||
| hydrargyrum
Junior Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 39 Registered: 3-2004 |
Does anyone happen to know how these effects loops react to distortion pedals? As I mentioned in previous posts, my zvex fuzz and octave/fuzz fx do not agree with the active electronics in my skylark. I am not sure if this is an effect of the higher output level vs a passive guitar or not. If the level of the fx loop in the tribute is the same as that from the pick-ups, I doubt there would be any difference. If so, I wonder if the loop could be modified to act like a passive pickup? And most importantly, could a skylark be modified to include the loop? Thanks for any comments. | ||
| pace
Member Username: pace Post Number: 71 Registered: 4-2004 |
Wayne, The Tribute / Furthur circuit does not allow for a traditional "stereo" setup (as compared to an Alembic Series I or II instrument)...... You can achieve a stereo approximation by running the 'send' lead of the TRS jack to it's own designated amp (pre or post your DP6, but in doing so the signal will never make it back to the guitar's filters, so you'll lose some of that tone shaping ability). Depending on your preference you might want to pick up an A/B box too. In order to answer your question, we need a little more info: ~Aside from the Tribute, and RP6, what amps are you using? (you mention stereo, so I assume you have two amps) ~Are you looking to have one "dry" amp and one "wet" amp, or have your effects heard thru both amps in stereo? Sorry to create more confusion, but different strokes for different folks~ Im also getting stir crazy waiting for my new Alembic (which will have a TRS loop) to be built..... Kev, Im pretty sure your problem is one of simple resistance. All you need to build is a little black box with the right resistor value which will drop your level from +4db to -10db... Ive been running your baritone clean, but pretty soon I'll try some of my pedals w/ it. The only guitar I have w/ active electronics is a Modulus w/ EMG's. The circuit actually has a knob which attenuates the active gain. I do most of my playing with this knob rolled off, and only use the active boost (up to 12db I believe) very sparingly. With it all the way up I experience the same problems you're facing. | ||
| grcyal8r
New Username: grcyal8r Post Number: 3 Registered: 11-2004 |
Mike,with the double end cable and the single cable.Do I run the single cable directly into the amp itself,actually I will only be using 1 amp i was under the impression that they called the cable with 2 ends a stereo cable my mistake.With having the effects loop built to the guitar in I don't have to plug anything into the effects loop on my amp.Does that sound right? i probably could figure it out with a diagram just having problems trying to picture it in my head.I know it sounds stupid but I'm trying to get the best sound possible.Thanks mike for your help. | ||
| pace
Member Username: pace Post Number: 73 Registered: 4-2004 |
>>>>Do I run the single cable directly into the amp itself,<<<<< Yes~ It'll go straight into the amp. >>>>i was under the impression that they called the cable with 2 ends a stereo cable<<<< It is a stereo cable, but in this instance it will serve a different purpose (one lead will be a 'send' lead, the other will be a 'return' lead, the grounding shield will serve as common ground for both). >>>>With having the effects loop built to the guitar in I don't have to plug anything into the effects loop on my amp.Does that sound right?<<<< Sounds right, but you may decide that some effects are better off further down the signal chain (ie: plugged into the loop in your amp). >>>> i probably could figure it out with a diagram<<<<< pickups> onboard preamps, tone filters,pup toggles & summing amp> ***> volume control> ***> output> amp *** = effects send (tip)> effects unit> effects return (ring) ~ You have the option of placing this part of the circuit either pre volume or post volume (Garcia had his wired pre). Im not sure if this is redundant or if it helps~ excuse my babbling! |
