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jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 3137
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 1:48 pm:   Edit Post

Fire that up with an SF-2 in the signal path and hit a low B...!!!



Jazzyvee
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1448
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 1:54 pm:   Edit Post

Here's one from '87 ~

jazzyvee
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Username: jazzyvee

Post Number: 3138
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 1:58 pm:   Edit Post

Funny enough when I first saw the picture the first bassist I thought of was John Entwhistle.

Jazzyvee
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 687
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 6:10 pm:   Edit Post

Roadie's nighmare!
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 2614
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 8:06 pm:   Edit Post

You might need rigging certification to safely transport that thing !
rustyg61
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Username: rustyg61

Post Number: 690
Registered: 2-2011
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 8:48 pm:   Edit Post

It eliminates the need for fans on stage!
adriaan
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Username: adriaan

Post Number: 2966
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, September 07, 2012 - 11:57 pm:   Edit Post

We've seen this one before, on this old thread which also has some specs on the newer version. Nice to see the older version!

(Message edited by adriaan on September 08, 2012)
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1279
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 4:07 pm:   Edit Post

I don't know, this seems bigger, louder and more hifi:

The two tall stacks on either side combined are the bass rig.
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 2620
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Saturday, September 08, 2012 - 6:51 pm:   Edit Post

Now that really DID require rigging ! That Bass rig was rigged!!!!!

I actually own a few little bites of it at this time .
jacko
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Username: jacko

Post Number: 3246
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 4:46 am:   Edit Post

I seem to recall Kreutzman saying he was always worried that the vocal array would fall on him.

Graeme
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1281
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post

He also said it sounded like dog doo from where he was. I asked him about how it was to play with the WOS and said he just hated it. However, Phil loved it. He likened to piloting a flying saucer.
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1452
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 10:00 am:   Edit Post

Cool Wolf,
I could guess you have a few 15 cabs , am I warm ?? ;)

I have a few rack units from FOH or a monitoring station. I'll take some pics. I'm using one piece almost every day in my guitar rig as a splitter/ boost and buffer between the fuzzface and wah.
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1282
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 11:37 am:   Edit Post

Well, there was no FOH for this rig. Every instrument went into its own stack, which was both FOH and monitor. The mix was completely determined by the band.

There were some mixers for the vocals, drums and piano.
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 2626
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 4:52 pm:   Edit Post

elwoodblue , I have 15's and some 12's . A double 12 as well. All Gauss and JBL loaded at this time. Also some ALEMBIC A15's that are a tad smaller then the actual WOS 15's. I also have one very early BAGEND in that same style that is even a TAD smaller then an ALEMBIC A15 . Last but not least in that style the mighty ALEMBIC A18 Gauss loaded . "In that style " I am referring to Birch plywood infinite baffle front mounted design with aluminum speaker clamps. The actual single WOS 15 design is a large unit and is not really all that easy to transport on it's own . The WOS was an amazing monster . I am grateful to have experienced it a few times .
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1284
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 5:35 pm:   Edit Post

You must have a huge garage! I have a very early Bag End double 12 that is very much in the style. Way too big to be practical. It came with Gauss drivers, but those are long gone. I've tried it out with JBLS, but haven't had that much luck. I'd love to load it up with something that might sound good. I like infinite baffle cabinets, but haven't found the right drivers for this cab yet.

Very open to suggestions!
sonicus
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Username: sonicus

Post Number: 2627
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 6:02 pm:   Edit Post

Edwin , I was searching for "new "12's and 15's that matched the performance of the old Gauss double spider design as well a while ago but now am using" new old stock" drivers that I found. I am always looking at new possibilities . I will let you know when I find out definite model numbers that seem interesting . Some of the "new EV" and "new JBL " pro line drivers might work BUT also carry a hefty price tag as well . Again the quote" Nothing is impossible. it just costs more ! "____ LOL !
elwoodblue
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Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 1453
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, September 10, 2012 - 11:32 pm:   Edit Post

Edwin .thanks for clarifying .
I can see these units being used on stage etc. (some are marked tuner #1,#2, etc.)

Maybe you guys could help me figure out where they might have been used ?

Wolf , My buddy has just built a very stout EVM-12L using a 15" EV magnet assembly on a 12" frame.

We tried with guitar...at bedroom to coffeehouse levels it was a bit stiff and compressed the guitar too much.
We then tried it with Bass and it really performs.
Loaded into a well vented 13 ply little cab it shakes thing up surprisingly well. I think he's charging 175 for one to be built.
I've compared his work to the guys at Great Plains and I think his shows more love for the craft.
His 2225 JBL builds are reeeeel stout also...and as you say...the cost can go up and up....and shipping these monsters ain't cheap either. It's always nice to find the heavy gear locally :-)

Elwood
p.s. I'll post some mystery black rack box pix
in a new thread once I have them ready.
rjmsteel
Intermediate Member
Username: rjmsteel

Post Number: 190
Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 9:27 am:   Edit Post

"I'd love to load it up with something that might sound good. I like infinite baffle cabinets, but haven't found the right drivers for this cab yet.

Very open to suggestions!"

Would a set of the Eminence 3012LF`s fit the bill? The drivers spec`d for the fEARful cabinets. If you can even get them :-(
edwin
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Username: edwin

Post Number: 1285
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 11:51 am:   Edit Post

I have a fEARful (and love it. I actually have 2) and while the low end might be good, I'd like to get a more full range option. There is something about the JBL mids and highs I really like, as well. So, a driver with the low end of a 3012LF and the high end of a K120 would be about perfect! Oh yeah, neodymium would be nice, too. I guess it's time to peruse the US Speaker website.
rjmsteel
Intermediate Member
Username: rjmsteel

Post Number: 191
Registered: 7-2008
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post

I`d imagine you`re getting full range on your 15/6/1 cabinet, (do you have an Eighteen Sound 6" driver), at least. I get it with the Bag End though.
I am actually having a Thunderchild 2 X 12" plus horn almost near completion to go with the 15/6/1 cab and my Series Custom ~ one cab to each pickup if I want to,the 15/6 with my Bag End 15" or the 1212 TC solo by itself.
I think Eminence may be having trouble now (not sure) with the Neo`s though, so I`m glad I purchased the 12`s this past spring.
The 15/6 has the 3015LF`s and the TC will have the 3012LF`s.
edwin
Senior Member
Username: edwin

Post Number: 1286
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, September 11, 2012 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post

Yeah, the 15/6/1 is amazing. I've used it for some pretty large outdoor shows this summer and it filled the stage and got out into the audience pretty far. I've also tried my rig with two 15/6/1s, one for each pickup for my Starfire/SII. Sounded pretty amazing. I had them spread out over the stage. I'm not sure the rest of the band was all that into it.

The Bag End cab is not something I'm in a hurry about. It's been sitting in my basement for the last 15 years, so if the right drivers show up, great, if not, oh well. I think the last time I took it out to a gig was ca. 1992. It really is insanely big and heavy.

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