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stoney
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Post Number: 343
Registered: 7-2002
Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 7:15 am:   Edit Post

I'm considering buying a 2 x 12 cab. The ones with the most attractive specs are:
Epifani, Eden, and Aguilar. The Eden and Aguilar
are similar in price, the Epifani is not quite double. Currently I'm using an EA iAmp 800 (500w @ 8ohms)which is actually installed in the 800 combo box but easily removed. Is anoyone out there using a 2 x 12 as a "stand-alone" cab on in conjunction with another?

Stoney
son_of_magni
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Post Number: 148
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 7:47 am:   Edit Post

Hi Stoney, I just replaced my old SWR 4x12 with an Eden D210XLT. It is a huge improvement. Very tight punchy sound. I use it standalone through my Mesa or in conjunction with a B2R into a 1x18. In both cases I'm using an Eden Navigator preamp.

I have not played through an Aguilar...
stoney
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 8:10 am:   Edit Post

Karl,
Thanks for chippin' in....
hollis
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:12 am:   Edit Post

Hi Stoney,

I use an Ampeg PR212H. It's a discontinued part of Ampeg's pro series cabs. I bought it used at a local music shop without an owners manual. It's 8 ohms 2X12 w/tunable tweeter. I think it's rated @ 450 watts rms. I contacted Ampeg, they said they didn't have an owners manual for that one, however, if I had specific questions they'd be happy to answer them. It sounds pretty sweet standing alone through F1X and SF-2 using Makie 1400i for power. Although I'm thinking an 18 would be a good addition.

It also sounds pretty nice added to the Workingman's 15.

Overall, other than the weight, I really like it.
stoney
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 11:54 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for your input Hollis...
dnburgess
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Post Number: 350
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:35 pm:   Edit Post

Stoney, is there any particular reason why you're looking for 12" drivers? I would usually suggest that key performance parameters such as low frequency response, size, weight, efficiency, power handling not to mention the ellusive "sound quality" be considered first.

David B.
stoney
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 12:52 pm:   Edit Post

I do want something somewhat portable...70 - 80lbs is all I'm about to tackle. LF response goes from 40 - 44 hz (I forget which is which) they are somewhat the same size and weight, except the UL (Ultrilite) Epifani (around 59lbs). Sound quality is certainly my first consideration. Gard at B.C. in Fl. says that the Aggie is a real "wooly, old school" sound...not to say it can't be adjusted. I like a firm and punchy sound, one that won't bottom out with a good smack on my E-string. From what I've read the 2x12 will give you bottom end of a great 15 with the articulation of 2x10's. I just have to find some here in my area to try out.
dnburgess
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Posted on Wednesday, December 22, 2004 - 1:13 pm:   Edit Post

What amplifier are you intending to use? What styles of music / size bands / gigs do you intend to use it with?
bassman10096
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Posted on Thursday, December 23, 2004 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post

I've become a fan of 12's in the past year - Not that 10's don't sound very good - but, as you've read, 12's do give a bit more muscular bottom end, while retaining most of the articulation you get from a 10.

I'm currently playing a single 12 cab from Dr. Bass. It's a hybrid of sorts, though - it's got a nice 6 and a tweeter. I love the sound (currently covering deep bottom with a Bag End ELF 18). I'm awaiting delivery on a Dr Bass 212 with the same 6 and tweeter config, but with punchier Eminence speakers (a Delta LF and a Delta). Once I receive that, Dr Bass is trading me the 1260 cab for a 115 (with a Delta LF). I'll let you know how the 212 sounds once I receive it. BTW, the 212 is rated at 900 w @ 4 ohms. I'm using a PLX 2402 with an F1X and SF2.

Mikey (Pookeymp?) from the Club bought a 212 from Dr Bass and was very impressed with it. He said the 12's project more bottom away from the stage than his Acmes did (I found the same comparing my 112 to my LowB2 Acme). Dr Bass is great to work with, builds light cabs (212 is under 50lb) that are indestructible and sound great. Marc, the owner, will help put together whichever combination speakers you want for the sound you are looking for. He's very flexible about continuing to swap speaks after he gets paid, too!

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. Have a great holiday, all!
Bill
gbarchus
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Posted on Friday, December 24, 2004 - 8:23 am:   Edit Post

Stoney,

For years I played through a JBL Cabaret 2X12 cabinet and loved it! I put one side of a Carver PM 1.5 (450 watts) into each speaker with my F2B. I wish I could find another one, but may end up with one of the ones you mentioned. I agree that it's possible for 2 12" speakers to put out more bass than a single 15" and also extend the midrange output (a better match with tweeters).

Gale
stoney
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Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 10:41 am:   Edit Post

Hey everyone, been away for a few days. Thank you all for your input. Lots of considerations. I'll have to look into Dr. Bass.

Thanks again.
stoney
jagerphan84
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Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 11:02 am:   Edit Post

I'm late to chime in here, but if you are considering going custom, check out www.EarCandyCabs.com for some interesting stuff. They use real wood as opposed to MDF (which gives Dr. Bass cabs their light weight) so my 212 is about 65 pounds, but it's also 1000W and the best sounding cab I have ever used. Tim, president of EarCandy, is very accessible and friendly, and will help you put together the cab that meets your needs. On top of that, you can completely customize the appearance, speakers, handles, feet, wiring, EVERYTHING - all at a reasonable price. My 212 came out to about $450 for a durable, powerful, great-sounding cab that looks really cool to boot. Just my $.02.

Adam
bsee
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Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 11:53 am:   Edit Post

I'm interested in Schroeder. They are new to market in the past year or two, and if you listen to the chat over at Talkbass, they do very little wrong. I haven't heard one myself, but I'd really like to.
jlpicard
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Posted on Monday, December 27, 2004 - 6:57 pm:   Edit Post

Hi Stoney, Since you have an EA head, could you give your impressions of it? I have been using EA cabs for quite a while and I really like their uncolored sound and low end output for their size but I have an Eden WT 300 which is a bit underpowered for these cabs and I'm thinking about springing for an EA 800. Mike
stoney
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 5:55 am:   Edit Post

When I first got the 800 I was trying to run an Acme 2x10 with it. The amp would shut down occasionally when too much info (slaps etc.) were going through...and the input > output seemed to be really low (of course, my Brown Bass is partially to blame for this) Gary at EA took the amp back TWICE and tweaked it. Now it's working fine although I've given up the Acme cabs. I have the amp in the 800 combo box which houses a 12". It's pretty nice by itself and is great with the additional 12. (I would, however, like to get to one box) Anyway, I think that with the proper cabinets, this amp really is great. 500w @8ohms albeit digital watts.

The EQ does take somegetting used to because it's really more parametric than graphic. The knobs are rotated to a frequency then a slider is used to cut or boost. The frequencenys can be controled by the octave or 1/2 octave. Sound shaping buttons are nice. The EQ is totally by-passable, which I have done. Depending upon what I really want, I'll occasionally run my GK micro amp (what a great little amp. If you don't have one of these, go buy one. It never hurts to have an extra 100 watts sitting around) or my F1X as a pre-amp.
Other than the problems I had with it when I first got it, this amp has been reliable. AND...if you find that it is NOT...Euphonic Audio will work with you. Mike, what cabs are you using?

Stoney
pookeymp
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 6:17 am:   Edit Post

Another vote for the Dr. Bass Cabs. Marc's 2x12 has great low-end and plenty of punch, and as Bill stated, you don't lose your bottom away from the cab, they project well. I either use the 2x12 alone or team it up with a Dr. Bass 2x10.

This setup has replaced my Acme, SWR & Eden cabs.

Mikey/
kmh364
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 9:44 am:   Edit Post

To each his own. Everyone has their own preferences and tastes and all are valid. Vive la difference!

I personally use Eden D-210XST's (I have two) driven by an EDEN WT-550 head. The playing situation dictates whether one or two cabs (mono - in parallel) are utilized. I got the 4 Ohm cabs to maximize amplifier power (The WT-550 can drive 2 Ohm loads safely). I bought 'em because they are ultra portable and sound excellent.

Just my two cents.

Cheers,

Kevin

(Message edited by kmh364 on December 28, 2004)
bassman10096
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:02 am:   Edit Post

Just a note of correction on Dr. Bass: DB makes two cab lines - one with MDF construction, the other (to which Mikey and I referred in this thread) with birch plywood. I was referring to the birch line when I mentioned weights. Also, all their cabinets are sprayed with a truly indestructible polymer - which I like far better than tolex or carpet.

I spent some time talking to the guy at Ear Candy and was very impressed with what I heard. He seems really committed to what he's doing, knows his stuff and offers a great variety of coverings and grills. When I ordered my 212 from Dr Bass, it was a decision between Dr Bass and Ear Candy. The price was within $30 difference. In the end, history (I had bought successfully from DB before) and the desire to add the midrange and tweeter (which EC does not offer) won out. No knock on Ear Candy. Actually, I wound up with nearly the same configuration of heavy 12's in my Dr Bass cab that EC sells.
Bill
bassman10096
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post

Just another thought on cab makers, but first - Kevin's right - to each his own.

Both Dr Bass, Ear Candy and a bunch of other small manufacturers are operating on a shoestring, often out of a home shop. My impression is that Acme is more established, but I believe the owner is still the principal cab builder. Personally, I prefer dealing with a smaller shop because they tend to offer: greater personal service and customization, lower cost (due to lower overhead - Hey - it's not easy carrying the cost of being Eden every day!) and (sometimes) a design improvement or two (i.e. Acme's cab designs, Dr Bass's coverings and long experience in box construction, and Ear Candy's devotion to heavy, "brick sh*thouse" construction, covering choices and joint design).

What you risk in dealing with a small shop can be delays (neither Ear Candy nor Dr Bass carries any inventory - they just build as soon as you pay) and the potential aggravation of dealing with a start-up operation.

Like Kevin said: To each his own.
Bill
jagerphan84
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 10:34 am:   Edit Post

I must have missed the reference to the Birchline series, but here are the specs from drbasscabs.com:
BL 2128/2124 - 60 pounds
BL 2124 (Neo) - 51 pounds

And the MDF version:
Rx 212 - 52 pounds

So they're a little heavier than you mentioned, even with the neodymium magnets. Although one of the Rx cabs loaded with neo speakers could be an impressively lightweight 212.

I'm very curious about the spray coating - it seems like that would be MUCH more durable and easy to clean than most cab coverings. EC offers Naugahyde in just about any color you can imagine, which was a plus for me. I'm sure it's not as durable as the spray coating from DB, though.

I'm intrigued by the 12/6/tweeter cabinet of yours, Bill, and I'm thinking it would make a great standalone for practice or smaller gigs. If my financial resources were a little greener, I'd look into getting a couple DB cabs to do a direct comparison with EC. Maybe if someone from the NY/New England area has DB cabs, we can set up an experimentation session some time.

Another thought on the small shops: Although they may not carry inventory like a major manufacturer, they can sometimes do things to help the buyer that a major manufacturer won't do. When I spec'd my 210 to match my 212, Tim started the construction right away, and a totally customized cab was ready to ship by the time I gathered the money for it. I doubt many major manufacturers would start building something custom without seeing a penny from the buyer first. It goes both ways with the smaller companies.

And certainly, like Kevin and Bill said, to each his own. There are just as many options out there as there are ideas in your head.
poor_nigel
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:05 pm:   Edit Post

Why do youse guyz keep getting the numbers wrong??? It's 2x21, right? Portability? Sure! Geeze, my magnet structures weigh more than the whole cabs listed above. Muscle relaxers? Yep, I do use them, and casters, and hand trucks, and ramps ... The price I pay for a B string that raises the hairs on the back of my neck - but it is worth it to me. I never have been the brightest bulb in any display, but if you heard my 21's, I know they would bring a smile to your faces. OK, nuff said. Back to 10's and 12's.
bsee
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 12:19 pm:   Edit Post

Heck, I am using 8's sometimes. (Baby Blue II with matching extension cabinet)

I'd like to try a Schroeder 1210 or 1212 as an extension to my Super Redhead to create a bit more boom for the louder outdoor gigs. On the other hand, it seems like power and headroom are really the thing and that I should get a 1000+ watt power amp to sit between my F1-X and a decent cab or two. I still want light and portable, though. Maybe I can find a fold-up, helium-filled version of that 2x21 cab?

All I know is that I am really tired of swapping gear. I only want to buy one more rig.
poor_nigel
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:02 pm:   Edit Post

A Whappo Grande weighs in at a mere 87 pounds. Light for what you get. Uses a Beyma 21L50 - I have seen these go for as low as $999 (Speaker only), each. They are 33 pound speakers (net), so more portable than my 80 pound each 21's (net). I hear Bagend makes an ELF 21 with this same Beyma driver and it is less weight than the Whappo Grande, I believe, and goes below 20Hz.

For Ref: http://alembic.com/club/messages/402/10130.html#POST19385

Sorry, this is getting too far off the battle of the 12's topic. But they are cool stuff . . . This summer I finish off my last rig, ever. Huge, very heavy, and maybe not to pretty. Then I think it is time to off all my vinatge stuff that is collecting dust. Too many amps are just too many hassles any more. So I am with you on that score, Bob. Here is to the last one!
dnburgess
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 1:45 pm:   Edit Post

Custom speaker cabinets?

My understanding of speaker cab. design is that the designer typically uses a combination of computer and real world modeling to optimise a design to his/her design objectives. The real world modelling is a laborious process - and would make a properly executed custom design really expensive. The corollory of this is that an affordable custom design is most likely suboptimal.

David B.
poor_nigel
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 2:05 pm:   Edit Post

I bought a design program for about $90 that you plug in your freq parameters desired and all the data supplied by the manufacturer of the particular speaker you wish to build an enclosure for. The program processes the dozens of spects and calculates and states the sizes, and ports you can use to attain those freq parameters. Materials are a factor, too, but I am using better than what most do, so no problem.

Now, it is easy to design and build a large speaker box that will pump out the specs you want. It is tough to design the smallest you can get it and still attain those specks. Therefore, I could have saved $90 by not buying the program and built 4'x4'x8' boxes that would have killer specs! However, I am trying to keep the wood bill under $1,000 for four boxes (Hardware not included), and not take up the whole stage, either. Optimal? That is what is being discussed in the upper threads here. I can live with suboptimal miniturization of the cabs, but great tone!
dnburgess
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 2:58 pm:   Edit Post

Nigel - I relate to the killer big box. When I was a teenager I built a huge box for a single JBL K120 speaker. That was one of the best guitar speakers I've ever used - but it took two people to move it!

By optimal, I don't necessarily mean flattest or most extended frequency response - although these may be important elements. As you know, speaker design is all about trade offs. For bass speakers size, efficiency and low end extension are key parameters that are traded off against each other.

The optimal design is the one that best satisfies the designer's goals, subject to relevant constraints. E.g. a $99 "subwoofer" for computer games vs a theatre subwoofer - both may be optimal designs.

Speaker designers will tell you there's still a lot of art as well as science to speaker design. So, in practice, the computer modelling that you refer to is just the first part of the design process. The designer will then build numerous prototype cabinets, tweaking variables - taking both instrument and qualitative (i.e. listening) measurements.

Audio is still about psychoacoustics (i.e. the science can't fully explain the psychological experience) and no manufacturer would put a cab into production without listening to it.

This brings me back to my original observation about "custom" speaker cab.s. Presumably any manufacturer's "standard" models represent the best set of trade offs they could achieve - using both computer modelling and physical testing. So an ad hoc variation (as opposed to a fully researched and tested manufacturer's option) would, by definition, be less than the best.

David B.
jagerphan84
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 3:54 pm:   Edit Post

Since most of us have greatly different instruments (from the Dark Prince to Beyond Further) and are playing them in profoundly different environments, it would be pretty unlikely for any manufacturer's 'standard' model to be optimal in everyone's situation. If the buyer is fairly knowledgeable about what environments they will play in (i.e. apartment vs. arena) as well as what instruments they will be playing through the cab, it will let them better determine what features to utilize. For example, my 210 is intended as a standalone bass cab which can be paired with another cab for larger venues. My 212 is intended to be a sub to complement the 210, and it was designed with the 5-string bass in mind. The 210 has one port, whereas the 212 has four. The 210's speakers were selected for the broadest frequency response, whereas the 212's speakers are geared entirely toward the low end. I also had the handles positioned in a non-standard location on my 212 to make it easier for me to carry (short body, long arms) and the 210 has a custom wiring configuration. Just some of the reasons I went with custom, but I'm sure different people have different priorities.

Adam
davehouck
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:13 pm:   Edit Post

Can someone direct me to a picture of the Dr. Bass cab?
dnburgess
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 4:36 pm:   Edit Post

Adam, you make a very good case for getting speakers that suit your needs - but that's not necessarily the same as getting a custom speaker.

David B.
hollis
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 5:49 pm:   Edit Post

Dave,

http://www.drbasscabs.com/

Unfortunately, it looks like their website's not all the way up to speed for a couple of weeks.
davehouck
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

Hollis; yes, I checked out the website and alas there were no pictures. I was hoping that someone here who owns one might have a picture. I'm even thinking there may already be a picture of one here, perhaps in the showcase section.
davehouck
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 6:03 pm:   Edit Post

And sure enough, here it is:
http://alembic.com/club/messages/411/12140.jpg
hollis
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 6:26 pm:   Edit Post

Maybe so, I did several searches and came up with nothing, but I seem to remember seeing them somewhere around here myself. Well, if not, they'll probably post pics when they bring up the "new and improved" site.....
hollis
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Posted on Tuesday, December 28, 2004 - 7:05 pm:   Edit Post

You da man!
bassman10096
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Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 1:10 am:   Edit Post

Just a note on the coating on the Dr Bass cabs: It's a definite plus. If I ever grow up and decide to keep my Bag End 18 permanently, Dr Bass has agreed to spray the cab for me, rendering it very well protected.

Qualitatively, its hard, shiny and has a wrinkly/nubby texture like the black tolex's on Peavey cabs. Since it's sprayed on, and very hard, objects tend to glance off when they hit, rather than digging in. I'm sure it'd be possible to cut it with enough force and/or a sharp enough edge, but you'd only cut the place you hit (no fabric to get under and rip). It is washable (for the clean-freaks and the slobs among us). I haven't tried to burn it and don't plan to...

David made a good point - None of the cabinets (boxes) we mentioned are "custom" in the true sense. They just have lots of options for loading them. To my knowledge, neither Dr Bass nor Ear Candy are willing to built off-size boxes that really get to the acoustic/space design issues. No manufacturer could cost-efficiently do that, since that very efficiency comes from standardization. For instance, Tim at Ear Candy explained he uses a CNC machine to cut sides and baffles, requiring extensive pre-programming. Marc Serio at DB cuts with less exotic tools, but has told me he'd treat a custom order on a special price basis. He is a little more open to the idea, since he also builds and installs pro-audio setups.

The other thing, Adam mentioned: Each of us is looking for cabs that fill a role for us. In my quest for my current rig, I bought, played and sold an Eden 210 XST and an Acme LowB2. I did not let go of either because it was a bad cab. I had just learned by trial and error (you know - the expensive way) that I liked the sound of 12's better than 10's for my current needs. I settled on Dr Bass for the reasons I mentioned above, and because I was sick of trying out cabs and manufacturers! There are plenty of great cabs I could still explore. Much of what I've gained from the Club is in the form of info and perspectives on equipment from folks I've come to respect.

It's 3 AM now. I must sleep. Sorry for the book.
Bill
davehouck
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Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 6:53 am:   Edit Post

This has turned out to be quite a thought provoking thread. Lots of good points about cabs.
jlpicard
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Posted on Wednesday, December 29, 2004 - 10:40 pm:   Edit Post

Stoney! If you're still there, I am using a VL-208 and a VL-110 both with the black EA logo on the front. Great tone from such small cabs! I am totally in love with the VL-208! gives such great definition and a nice growl when using a rear pickup. A pity these were discontinued. I wish I could find somemore. I am not sure I like the newer EA's as well (CL series). Mike
stoney
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Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 7:49 am:   Edit Post

Michael,
Those VL's pop up occasionally.how loud do they get? I want to get back to the iAmp800 combo for a moment. That's the iAmp 800 amp and a CXL12" in a box. Now, Alone it is, as stated, pretty good. I've had it out & about several times. A few weeks ago I noticed some "flatulance" in it. I called EA and they sent a new piece of foam to install saying that they've had that problem, it's the design ....this should fix it. Well, it didn't work. I called EA and said,...send me a new speaker and I'll send the old one back if that's what's wrong (because it really sounded like the speaker had gone bad) Heck, they just replaced the entire box, paid for shipping both ways too. Now, I haven't really had this new box out much at all so I can't give you the low-down, nor can I speak for the CXL extension cab in the way of durability. But I do know this. I'm not entirely convinced that the combo box alone will handle what I usually need..Probably using that with the extension cab would...So.....I think the essence of this was to get a box that can definitely handle the lows...and of course provide that growl when called for.

Interestingly enough it doesn't seem like anyone has had any experience with the aforementioned Eden, Epifani or Aguilar 2x12's. I've been trying to research the Dr.Bass cabs though. They sound pretty well liked. I did have the ACME 2x10 but because of its low sensitivity (93db) it was shutting down my EA iAMP800.

HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYBODY
Stoney
stoney
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Posted on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 11:13 am:   Edit Post

Technical note on my iAMP 800 write up. The sliders are used to set the frequency, the knob is used to cut or boost.

NEW NOTE on the EA iAMPs. They are no longer making them with the built in Sabine tuner. Apparently Sabine couldn't provide enough chips to keep up with EA's demand. EA however now includes a parallel effects loop with the new models. I'd think that not being able to get a tuning chip from Sabine is like walking into McDonalds and not being able to get a hamberger!
bigredbass
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Posted on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 10:01 am:   Edit Post

By the way, any experience with the neodymium 12s like ampeg PortaBass cabs or the Neo's from GenzBenz?

J o e y
bassman10096
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Posted on Friday, January 07, 2005 - 8:20 pm:   Edit Post

Just received my Dr Bass 212 cabinet. It's rated at 900w (or slightly more) with an Eminence Delta LF 12, a regular Delta 12, a 6' mid and a horn. It sounds great! Definitely deep enough and loud enough to stand very well on its own. Highs and mids are clear and accurate. $480 well spent.
Bill
davehouck
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Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 8:27 am:   Edit Post

Bill, the high end of the Acme and the Eden are quite different; since you've owned both, how does the high end on the Dr. Bass compare with the Acme and Eden? Is it more like the Acme, more like the Eden, or somewhere in between?
bassman10096
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Username: bassman10096

Post Number: 710
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 3:12 pm:   Edit Post

More like the Acme, since there are both a mid (6") and a horn. I do like the Acme's high end a little better for 2 reasons: Separate mid and tweeter attenuators and a somewhat prettier sounding tweeter. Not a world of difference, but given the chance, I'd give Acme's high, mid package a slight edge. I liked the Eden 210 XST's low end and the mids projected by the 10's. But, in comparison. the Acme and Dr Bass are in a different class for evenness across the highs and mids. The Eden and my Dr Bass 1260 (with the neo 12, the 6" and tweeter) were a good combination, but I decided to go with the additional Dr Bass 212 instead, so I sold the Eden 210 to finance the 212. I also let go of the Acme because I was moving to 12's.

The new Dr Bass 212 has a very nice low end and is very even across the spectrum, with lots of projection. BTW, it does weigh 60 lbs, but has good handles and a good carrying profile (24.25h x 20.75w x 15d).

I'm really interested in hearing from some folks who've played the Schroeders, though. Good sound and light weight are hard to beat.
Bill
dannobasso
Intermediate Member
Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 195
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 08, 2005 - 8:55 pm:   Edit Post

I'm going to NAMM in a few weeks and I'm doing research for endorsements. I'm intrigued by the SWR 412 cabs they make for angry bands. Combine that with 18's and I would be most pleased.Since I play hard loud and reasonably fast I need sturdy stuff. I have a buddy at Aguilar but I will need a company that can provide support where ever I happen to be. I have Acme, Epifani, Bag End 18's, Trace Elliot, SWR and even old Dean Markley cabs. I have played through Eden, Peavey, Ampeg, Acoustic, Mesa, and Earth as well(remember quilted vinyl?). Mica had great things to say about Glockenklang (sp?) but they aren't carried by major chains. BTW I love my Epifanis and Acmes. (easier access to the fuses [car bulb] would be helpful on the Acmes. I had to replace one once. Screwgun recommended)
Danno

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