| Author | Message | ||
| bonesrad
Member Username: bonesrad Post Number: 95 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've been considering a DS-5 for my Alembic and came across a Boogieman version of the power supply on eBay. The seller apparently has 5 for sale. The price seemed right so I made the move on one of them. Do you out there envision any concerns I should have with this unit? Bones | ||
| cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member Username: cozmik_cowboy Post Number: 1493 Registered: 10-2006 |
You besides his crappy attitude & "No returns" policy? He & his stuff was discussed in this thread and this one. Peter | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1545 Registered: 5-2002 |
Before I'd plug it in, I'd just double check all the pins and make sure the voltage is right on the right pins. But then, I'd do it on any power supply I didn't get straight from Santa Rosa. I've built a few of these, they aren't difficult, so it should be fine. | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 2101 Registered: 11-2004 |
OMG!!! Those posts are near the knuckle, my humble opinion is that if the PU's and/or electronics failed on my MK I would absolutley no hestitation whatsover than to get the original equipment from Alembic. As far as putting Alembics electronics in other guitars, that is a bonus to the instrument but it is a personal view as many bass/guitar players still prefer the original pick up sound of their instruments. Horses for courses as they say. And my advice to you bonesrad is to get the Alembic unit, reason? you know it's built and specified for your instrument. would you plug a Samsung phone charger into your latest iPhone even if the sockets were the same?? I guess not! | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 2102 Registered: 11-2004 |
Double post removed! (Message edited by TerryC on June 05, 2013) | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1546 Registered: 5-2002 |
Terry, it's a bit different from plugging a Samsung charger into an iPhone. This is actually built and specified for an Alembic bass. The question is not whether it will perform its function but how well it will perform its function. As I said, it's not hard to build one of these, I've done it, and it functioned perfectly. It's basically a transformer, a rectifier and a few other parts. There are reasons to get the original Alembic version, and the reason to get one of theirs instead of one of my homebuilt ones is that they have much better metal work and probably a much higher reliability. Boogieman's metal work is better than mine and his guts look OK. It does not appear that he's throwing a random power supply in a box and calling it appropriate for Alembic. If he were winding pickups (actually, I think he has), I'd be a bit more hesitant about those because there's a lot more variability in producing pickups and experience counts here. It's not as simple as putting random wire on a random magnet and it's something that is not only in the signal path, it originates the signal path. Onboard electronics would be somewhere in between. I doubt I'd put them in an Alembic bass, but I would see no reason not to try them out in something else. | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 1147 Registered: 3-2004 |
I could imagine putting the boogieman electronics in an Alembic that was already gutted as a middle step to restoring it completely. At least it would have the same functionality. The honest truth is that the schematics are out there, and as long as you use top quality components, anyone with decent soldering skills should be able to produce a decent product. The hard part was the innovation and testing that went into the creation of the guts initially. | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 2103 Registered: 11-2004 |
Maybe I am just too loyal to Alembic..which cannot be a bad thing! | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1549 Registered: 5-2002 |
Nothing wrong with that! | ||
| jimmyj
Senior Member Username: jimmyj Post Number: 457 Registered: 8-2008 |
As Edwin says, there is no big mystery to power supplies. But yes, check the pin-out and the voltage before you plug your costly instrument into it. It will likely work just fine. Below is a pic of one of my modded DS-5s. Series electronics have a wide operating voltage range, from +/-9v (our onboard batteries) to +/-18v (the original DS-5). I found these +/-15v supplies which just barely fit in the box and can be switched to 240v input for traveling, something the original couldn't do. A couple car batteries provide good clean +/-12v. Or for a wireless rig a strap with about 10-9v batteries wired to give +/-18v would be great... Interesting situation with this "supplier" though... Not knowing anything about his history or possible relationship with Alembic (and not interested enough to research it) I guess anybody can copy anything electronic which isn't sealed in resin... Considering how small this "market" is (how many of these units could he possibly be moving??) it would be a waste of Alembic's time to pursue any legal action against the guy. I'm not even sure there are any patent or trademark infringements here. As long as he doesn't sell them as Alembic products. Real Alembic gear is costly but the main reasons to buy direct from them are: 1> We KNOW the build quality is second to none. No shortcuts in design or components, ever. Built for the road. 2> They back up their work. 3> Innovations like Ron's hand-tuned noise reduction are unique to this company. 4> C'mon, it's our family!! Cheers, Jimmy J  | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1551 Registered: 5-2002 |
Another big reason to buy from Alembic is that they did the research and development. Recouping those ongoing costs is not always the quickest thing to happen. I don't think that there is an intellectual property defense here if Boogieman did not copy the actual artwork of circuit boards, but I could be wrong. I'm not a licensed attorney. Some of these circuits are derived from copies of copies (I'm thinking of the F2B, which is based on the Fender Showman, which is based on tube manufacturer supplied designs from many decades ago). | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2921 Registered: 5-2009 |
Well , Well ,Well____ LOL !_____ There are many factors to deliberate and inspect on this topic. As well , an introspective analysis of my feelings about this. Look at the "Boogieman"units internal pictures on eBay (look closely) http://www.ebay.com/itm/BOOGIEMAN-POWER-FOR-ALEMBIC-SERIES-GUITARS-DUAL-VOLTAGE-115-230-SWITHING-NEW-/330935716220?pt=Guitar_Accessories&hash=item4d0d4e497cboogieman The Boogieman unit also has two internal adjustments ( +V &-V variations calibration ? OR?) There has been no public disclosure of that detail that I am aware of . If the internal adjustments in the Boogieman unit are not calibrated to the parameters needed of Alembic Series electronics will you have problems and damage if the voltage is above the acceptable parameters ? LOL !!!!!!!!!!! (what do you think ?) (I have had plenty experience with trimpots in electronic & audio alignment procedures) Personally , I will not be plugging my Alembic Series I/II Bass into one of these. The original Alembic DS-5 circuit with 5 pin /pinout specs and acceptable voltage output has been discussed in this forum. We have NO DISCLOSURE as to the specific schematics of the Boogieman unit nor do we know what the adjustment parameters are of the internal trim pots nor any other specs . All that has had public disclosure is the ebay offering that we are aware of with the associated pictures in the auction. (look carefully ) Another factor to deliberate ; who has designed the Boogieman unit and WHERE is it built and WHERE is the PC board manufactured and components assembled . The printing on the outside reads "Made in USA" how about the actual circuit boards and internal assembly? I do not know . WHAT WE DO KNOW ________ is that Alembic Inc. products are made in Santa Rosa , California with high attention to detail in all parameters and specific application ; with lots of LOVE ! In an introspective analysis of what is important to me I find that it is important to perpetuate the existence of the " Mother Ship"_______ The Original Alembic ____ " Bottom Line "_____ | ||
| bonesrad
Member Username: bonesrad Post Number: 96 Registered: 5-2002 |
I appreciate everybody's comments regarding this unit. I asked for comments because after I purchased the unit, I had second thoughts as I don't want to cause any damage to the Series I electronics on my bass. I might just end up taking a bath on this unit. We'll see. BTW, the unit is different from the unit sonicus lists above. The one I bought does not have the switchable voltage. Bones | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 1153 Registered: 3-2004 |
Wouldn't a multimeter be sufficient to verify that all of the pins are functioning properly? - Yes. We're talking about an 18 volt system right? Don't 9 volt batteries vary as much as a few volts per cell? So how would a few volts difference vary from using battery power? - Not much if any. (Correct me if I'm wrong, but fresh nine volts read more like 10 volts, and two of them in series would be more like 20 volts than 18). What disclosure from Alembic do we receive as to the internal trimpot settings of their equipment or specific schematics? - None. To be fair, they know their own stuff better than I know my own face, but lack of proof from boogieman isn't proof of lack. Who designed the Boogieman unit? - Alembic. It was reversed engineered, which is kind of sneaky, but totally legal and not uncommon. Where is it manufactured? - Probably China and assembled? - New York (according to the ad). Where is the PCB manufactured? - Probably China, but last time I checked copper was copper was copper . . . I also doubt that Alembic personally builds resistors, capacitors, or IC chips. They're probably also made in China. I can agree with the following: Alembic is super awesome!  They make their products with love! Their components are so much more valuable that you'd be a fool to swap with boogieman. I'd rather own a brand new Series II than I would a new Tesla Roadster. Coco Bolo is sweet! Dave Houck is the man. Ohms law is V=IR. And Dave Houck is the man. *I like Dave.* But without having the boogieman board sitting next to the Alembic board, any comparison is speculative, and somewhat emotional. | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2922 Registered: 5-2009 |
A multimeter will indeed be a sufficient tool to check the PIN assignment but it will not tell you anything about noise and ripple , I test that on an oscilloscope. Who designed the Boogieman Unit ?___it was not reverse engineered ! We have had the original DS-5 schematic diagram on this forum . I can read schematic diagrams , that is why I wrote "look closely ! " My concern about the trim pot alignment variation has nothing to do with a comparison from a battery power source. If you are taking AC line power potential of voltages of 110/220 volts and making them conducive to Alembic Series I/II 5 pin requirements if the +/- DC voltage is to high then you will have a reason to be "SOMEWHAT EMOTIONAL" !! LOL!!!. That is why in this case in my opinion there is a valid concern regarding the internal trimpot setting variations and voltage range .____Better safe then sorry. (Message edited by sonicus on June 06, 2013) | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 1156 Registered: 3-2004 |
"If you are taking AC line power potential of voltages of 110/220 volts and making them conducive to Alembic Series I/II 5 pin requirements if the +/- DC voltage is to high then you will have a reason to be "SOMEWHAT EMOTIONAL" !! LOL!!!." I'm sorry but please explain why this can't be checked with a multimeter. I'm not trying to be difficult, and I would truly appreciate a good explanation since you seem educated on the topic. Can't any number of different circuits be used to produce the same result (albeit some more efficiently than others)? Are the variations in the boogieman circuit so radical that even just looking at them is enough evidence to rule out their efficacy? | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2923 Registered: 5-2009 |
We have discussed the DS-5 here before many times , there is a schematic in this link (and some humor) _____ ; http://alembic.com/club/messages/395/60881.html?1246843699 Here is the PIN OUT for the ALEMBIC 5 pin pin 1 ground pin 2 neck pickup pin 3 bridge pickup pin 4 +V pin 5 -V | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 1157 Registered: 3-2004 |
Okay, so I read the thread, and I'm not feeling like I've really resolved my question regarding why the + and - voltage can't be checked with a multimeter. In all likelihood that could be because I'm missing some fundamental principle of elctronics. All the same. I'm not really advocating or condemning this guy so much as I'm interested in the circuitry from an academic perspective. Unfortunately I don't own a series instrument to use this sort of device on anyway. But I'd like to. | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2924 Registered: 5-2009 |
The voltages and PIN out CAN be checked by a multimeter ! Yes ! But not noise and ripple . I like to check that when I do a repair or service on my own . I was not disagreeing ___ I personally repaired the power supply section an old Alembic IN-2 input module by replacing an aged and malfunctioning encapsulated +/- 15 Volt DC unit with another one from Acopian . And that worked and I did so with the guidance from Alembic for the acceptable specifications. I did it for my own use and not for profit or with intention to copy it and sell it or mass produce it . It is now restored in my rack . As far as the Boogieman circuit working ? I did not say that it will not . What I am saying is that it would be nice to know the variable parameters and see a schematic . I see differences just from the pictures . I have aligned many electronic circuits that use trim pots in pro audio gear and I know that things can get out of alignment in a NON fixed circuit; Vibration, being kicked around ... etc . ... ... Old pro tape recording equipment like my AMPEX , MCI ,and STUDER machines all have trimpots . My DOLBY 361 and 363 with both A & SR cards need trimpot adjustments from time to time. I just want to protect our ALEMBIC SERIES I/II Babies __ We love them _____ | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1553 Registered: 5-2002 |
The voltages can be checked with a multimeter. The guy uses WIMA caps, so he's not cheaping out on components. He's not likely to miswire it as his ebay feedback would guarantee no future sales. The thing that would keep me from getting one would be a moral decision (and the fact that I have both a blue box and a rack mount already and I can make my own). Even if the voltage does prove to be outside the desired range, given that there are trimpots, it does seem like that problem could be easily rectified (pun intended). The only reason that it couldn't be checked by a multimeter is if the circuit were so badly implemented that the load of the bass electronics would result in an unacceptable voltage drop. Given the amount of effort that has gone into the design and construction of the box, it's highly unlikely that this would be case. You'd have to flail pretty severely or build the thing with an intention to make people sound bad to end up with that problem. The solution to this issue is easy. If you aren't comfortable with the box or don't like the moral implications, don't buy it. If you want to take a shot at it, roll the dice. It doesn't seem like a very high risk. It pretty much does come down to an emotional decision since if you are going to take the chance, it seems foolhardy not to doublecheck the voltage. If it checks out, the risk is essentially nil and you'll have a cheaper alternative. If it doesn't, you've dodged a bullet and you're only out the time and money it might take to make it right. As I stated before, I would apply similar caution to any power supply that didn't come directly from Santa Rosa, regardless of the name on box. | ||
| hammer
Advanced Member Username: hammer Post Number: 364 Registered: 9-2009 |
Alembic stands behind EVERYTHING it builds - 100 %. Boogieman CLEARLY and explicitly states that it does not stand behind what it sells to the consumer - 100%. Enough said. | ||
| flpete1uw
Intermediate Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 186 Registered: 11-2011 |
Kevin, In general all power supplies have to do several things to supply the DC (Direct Current) needing device from the AC (Alternating Current) wall. 1- Is to in fact change the voltage from AC to DC. A well made power supply will filter the 60hz (In the States) completely out and only leave a DC voltage. A decent AC Volt meter can read any residual AC component from the Power supply if you look for it. 2- The AC wall end can vary. You would be surprised checking a wall Voltage from place to place or from time to time at the same outlet by how much. So the Power Supply has to constantly regulate the designed voltage. 3- Wall power is notorious for spikes and noise. Again needing to be properly filtered out. An Oscilloscope would be a good way to see this. You’d be surprised. 4- As mentioned there is the load factor between device and power supply that could affect the outcome. I have no idea on this particular unit so I can’t comment on its design. However power supplies have been around a long time and their issues are well known for anyone designing and building one. Should you buy it? Just keep this in mind, it all starts up with the power up. I hope this was helpful Pete | ||
| flpete1uw
Intermediate Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 187 Registered: 11-2011 |
"Old pro tape recording equipment like my AMPEX , MCI ,and STUDER machines all have trimpots . My DOLBY 361 and 363 with both A & SR cards need trimpot adjustments from time to time." Wolf, I haven't heard or read a sentence like that in a long time! Memory Lane Thanks, Pete | ||
| hydrargyrum
Senior Member Username: hydrargyrum Post Number: 1158 Registered: 3-2004 |
Pete, Thank you for the clarification. I'll look into that a bit more. | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1554 Registered: 5-2002 |
While I'm all in favor of well regulated and filtered power supplies, the Alembic version does not go to extraordinary lengths to create power that's absolutely perfect. It's a very simple circuit. Literally a transformer (to get the right voltages in AC), a rectifier (to turn AC to DC) and some filter caps (to smooth out ripple) and a couple of passive components in the signal path. These are all basic things that every power supply would have. If you want to be anal about these things, you would perhaps want to create a custom power supply. The fact that Alembic hasn't shows that their circuits are probably quite impervious to power supply issues. So, Pete, you got a scope you use to check this all out on an official power supply? Let's at least create a baseline, if we're going to have high standards about this. Otherwise we're just speculating and pontificating. I only give myself a bit of a pass from this because I've built a couple of them and they've functioned perfectly and, as far as I know, are still doing so 15 years later. The hardest part, by far, was doing the metal work. | ||
| flpete1uw
Intermediate Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 188 Registered: 11-2011 |
Ah no worries, Just trying to help in what is an interesting conversation on issues we all face as far as powering our Beautiful Instruments. I do have a scope but neither the time nor desire to do any power supply testing. I just plug in my "Alembic” supply and play. Peace my Alembic Brothers Over and out Pete | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2925 Registered: 5-2009 |
Pete, Peace to you as well brother. Some day we will have to talk about vintage pro analog gear . I am currently restoring a few nice old Soundcraft Desks . The external power supplies are quite beefy +/- 17 Volts DC with phantom 48 . | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 2105 Registered: 11-2004 |
sonicus..I agree on your post2921...unless it comes from the mothership I would not want to know!. Can you imagine the despair of frying your electronics if you used one of the PSU's in your SI/II basses..it doesn't bear thinking about! | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2929 Registered: 5-2009 |
Terry ,Thanks . Indeed ____ the thought of such preventable damage would be more then lightly alarming for me. | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1560 Registered: 5-2002 |
Why engage in such flights of fearful imagination, then? This thread is going in circles. For those of us that familiar with the circuit, upon examination it would be clear if it will work as intended. For those of us who aren't familiar with it, steer clear. It's definitely a caveat emptor situation, but it's not got so much risk as to make you sit in the corner cowering with fear about the idea of frying your electronics. That risk, once the box is checked out, is nil to practically none. That's how you prevent the damage. You measure the output. If it's within acceptable parameters, you use it. If not, you don't. Done. I don't understand what all the handwringing is about. | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2930 Registered: 5-2009 |
Edwin, I was merely thanking Terry for his acknowledgement. No circles , LOL ! Have you seen the schematic for the Boogieman version? I have not . It it clearly has differences from the Alembic DS-5 such as the trim pots ,etc.... We have both seen the Alembic original and have both built such devices and therefore we both know that design and both know the specs and tolerances , agreed. I am familiar with what I see in both. What are the capacitor ratings in the Boogieman . How far can the trimpots go out of alignment after banging around from transportation etc ...., what are the variables in voltage output? What is the rating in Milliamps to accommodate loads such as Instruments with full LED features . There is no disclosure. The "handwringing " is about lack of specifications and disclosure . Like you wrote " It's clearly a caveat emptor situation. For me it is not "sitting in the corner cowering with fear about frying my electronics" LOL,___ Edwin ! It might be prudent to protect those who are LESS familiar with such designs then you and I and to point out concerns and raise questions , both short term and long term and with looking out for others with positive intent . That's where I am coming from Brother ______ | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 1871 Registered: 2-2005 |
The trim pots are quite common on a regulated power supply. I'm looking at building a small regulated supply for my series bass. Given the design of the original DS-5R what I am doing is overkill but I prefer regulated to unregulated power supplies. My intent is to use LM317 and LM377 voltage regulators. The output is adjusted by the values of certain resistors in the circuit. I am planning on using fixed values but if I wanted a general purpose mutli-voltage supply I would use trim pots. While I think the Boogieman is on the expensive side given the cost of components I agree with Edwin in that once the voltages and pin-outs are verified I would have no problems using it as a power supply for my series. Keith | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2932 Registered: 5-2009 |
Keith , I agree with as you write : "The trim pots are quite common on a regulated power supply" "The output is adjusted by the values of certain resistors in the circuit. I am planning on using fixed values but if I wanted a general purpose mutli-voltage supply I would use trim pots. " I agree that from the point of keeping the +/-V output from going out of spec using fixed value resistors is prudent on your part . That is one of my concerns. As well as for those individuals that are not electronically inclined to check and verify voltage specs and pinouts nor want to have to be bothered about that because the product was not from Alembic Inc. Best Regards Wolf | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 1872 Registered: 2-2005 |
Wolf, I have no qualms with using pots. My decision is more complexity than reliability. In my much younger years when I was doing electrical engineering I used trim pots in many manufacturing applications. I can even say I used some in military equipment. Both of these are highly abusive environments and did not see problems once the pots were set. The advantage was as other components aged or needed to be replaced a quick adjustment of the trim pot allowed everything to be brought back into specifications. I don't know the backgrounds of all of the folks here but a general hobbyist would be able to build a power supply for the series with little trouble. Whoever this Boggieman is seems to be more than a hobbyist although my personal opinion is he's a jerk. The biggest hassle for me is finding a box and being able to drill it cleanly since I do not have access to a drill press. Keith | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2933 Registered: 5-2009 |
Keith, As you wrote regarding trimpots I agree again that "as other components aged or needed to be replaced the trim pot allowed everything to be brought back into specifications" As was and is the case with my experience with trimpots .My concern is that in the Boogieman unit we do not know what the worst case scenario could be on the upper +/-V . A bit different then ; When a trimpot on a Dolby unit or an alignment of an AMPEX AG440C ( for example ) is out of spec. you just get bad sound for the most part. Best Regards, Wolf | ||
| 811952
Senior Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 2316 Registered: 10-2003 |
My father owns and maintains (among other things) a directional AM radio station with different day/night patterns and power. That beast is trim-pot city, and they're big. This place needs a trim pot thread with pictures. ;-) John | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2934 Registered: 5-2009 |
John, Cool , __ I once worked in a Television transmitter room. Trim pots , wave guides, water cooled klystron tubes , vector scopes . etc ... ... and I got a huge daily exposure of RF Radiation. | ||
| 811952
Senior Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 2318 Registered: 10-2003 |
The goodle days, as John Hartford would say.. John | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2935 Registered: 5-2009 |
John , Yes __ in some ways ,and other ways not. I never much liked the 3AM to 11AM Shift in time for the sign off test pattern and then the following maintenance and alignments and adjustments . Those water cooled klystrons needed the distilled coolant water checked and filled daily on schedule as I remember . lots of heat , power & radiation . The radiation crept up on me and made me sick. | ||
| terryc
Senior Member Username: terryc Post Number: 2106 Registered: 11-2004 |
Looking at it another way... I have a Nissan Almera which has done 540K miles and because I am an ex mechanic I put the best oil in the motor as well as filters, all my tools are either Britool, Facom or Snap on(some I have had for over 40 years and are still in good condition). I like to cook so I buy the best ingredients I can afford, I sometimes restore furniture so I use top quality polishes etc so why buy another brand which maybe okay for your needs when for a few pounds(or dollars) more you are getting a guaranteed product that will last for a long time and give the quality you expect. Anyway that's my take on it(Still loyal to Alembic though lol) | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 1561 Registered: 5-2002 |
Sorry, I've been a little cranky over the last few days. | ||
| 811952
Senior Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 2321 Registered: 10-2003 |
"Sorry, I've been a little cranky over the last few days." I'm pretty sure there's a pot to adjust that. ;-) HBD to Xander, by the way. :-) John | ||
| bonesrad
Member Username: bonesrad Post Number: 97 Registered: 5-2002 |
Just thought I'd give a quick update. FWIW, I've been using the Boogieman unit for a few weeks now and it's been performing quite well. It's very compact does what I need out of a Series bass power supply. I still use my DS-5R on my rack mount rig but I like how the little Boogieman unit works with my Super Bassman. Bones | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 2967 Registered: 5-2009 |
Bones , Did you test and verify the voltage potential and pin out before plugging in your Series Bass ? I am still wondering what the maximum voltage output would be IF the trim pots were out of calibration. Some generic units have a very wide operating range such as this one ; http://www.everychina.com/buy/c-zbfd930/p-40344710/showimage.html Not the same as the Boogieman unit but it would be prudent to know what the specs of the Boogieman unit really are to protect your Alembic investment. I think that is just reasonable. Alembic had a wonderful reissue of the DS-5 , I purchased one ! It's great. Edwin , _____I get cranky sometimes as well , were just human after all . I hope you and your family are well. Happy belated Birthday to Xander ! Sonic Regards to all _____ |
