| Author | Message | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 29 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'm scaling down my equipment and am currently looking at the David-Eden Metro DC 210XLT and the SWR Super Redhead. I've only played through the Eden but have done a lot of research on both. I really like the open 1-rack space provided by the SWR. Have any or you had any experience with either or both of these combos? Thanks. | ||
| Chris G. (76ac070)
Junior Username: 76ac070 Post Number: 32 Registered: 5-2002 |
The Super Redhead is just that....SUPER. I rue the day that I sold mine in the eternal (read "insane")quest for that "perfect amp." I currently run 2 D-210XLT cabs with a Mackie m-2600i and ART Nightbass. Sounds GREAT - weighs a TON!!! I would gladly buy another Redhead...if I could FIND one. Chris | ||
| Rami Sourour (rami)
Member Username: rami Post Number: 62 Registered: 6-2002 |
I plug ALL my Alembics into my EDEN DC-210XLT & D-410XLT Cab. I love the sound. I think it makes the perfect stack or stand alone combo. Sure they're heavy, but so are my Alembics! Rami | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 31 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi Rami, The word from Bass Northwest is that the Eden 210XLT has a more agressive sound that the Redhead. Any comments on that? You've had both amps, right? I thought that perhaps the channel switching on the Eden could give me a better slap sound at the click of a switch, however, my Alembics already do that. What do you think? | ||
| Rami Sourour (rami)
Member Username: rami Post Number: 63 Registered: 6-2002 |
Well, I've tried the Redhead too, but I actually own the EDEN. It works for me as far as slap tone. I also play alot of fretless and it covers that flawlessly as well. I'm partial to its sound after hearing Alain Caron playing through it. Ultimately the sound your looking for is a personal and subjective thing that only you can decide on. I personally LOVE the EDEN; its sound, quality (Handmade components), tons of great features and hey...it even looks great! Try before you buy! Best of luck, Rami | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 32 Registered: 7-2002 |
Chris & Rami, thanks for your input. Chirs, sorry pal, I think I misread your input. Both are helpful. Anyone else want to chip in??? | ||
| Michael DeVincenzo (jlpicard)
New Username: jlpicard Post Number: 10 Registered: 7-2002 |
If you can find some of the old series Euphonic Audio cabs, I think you wiil be impressed.They are small and light but they don't sound that way! They are all three way cabinets with seperate level control and chambers for each speaker.The woofers are housed in a kind of a "folded transmision line chamber"which greatly increaseses the woofers low end efficiency. I currently use a single ten and a double eight" with my Eden head and I think that the sound is very balanced overall.Handles my 5 string with no problem. I used to use Eden cabs but I found that that they sound great sitting in my bedroom but on a gig the tone, while big and warm ,didn't seem to cut through the other stage sound very well without turning way up( and yes,I know how to use EQ having studied audio and worked as an engineer for several years).The sound seemed to eminate from the back of the enclosure( not enough presence, not enough "in your face" kind of a thing)Too scooped in the lower mids for me, no matter what I tried.Great slap tone,mediocre finger tone.May just be my personal preference.Give the EA's A try and let me know what you think. | ||
| Paul Lindemans (palembic)
New Username: palembic Post Number: 4 Registered: 9-2002 |
Well Jonathan, I'm living in Europe and the brands you mentioned become nowadays for us nearly unaffordable. So, when I looked around for a bass-system I passed those brands and tested them knowing that there was no way I could buy them. BUT ...the tests I did learned me that EDEN and SWR both have a very "nosy" sound (take care: I tested the speakers, not the amplifiers). Don't misunderstand me, it's a great sound but I realized that it was NOT neutral. It was a trendy sound, much heard and in a sound-range where a bass can go LOUD! So we discovered that the EDEN is a little bit more extreme in his "nosy-ness" than SWR. I'm playing Glockenklang (German www.glockenklang.com) right now and I'm happy with it. Well, I know those those things are imported in the US right now (but maybe you have the problem with EU-gear what we have with the US-gear). Glockenklang builds also combo's in different shapes. I own only the speakers (yes with an old SWR SM 400): a Quattro (4x10" + horn) and a Uno (1x15"). Okay, I know you want to scale down but the sound I get from these things is extremely clean: it's an unwritten page! It's completely up to you what you make of it together with your bass but most of all your fingers. Anyway: take a walk on the low side! Paul | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 44 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Paul, thanks for the input.Hope all is well in Deuchland! | ||
| Paul Lindemans (palembic)
New Username: palembic Post Number: 8 Registered: 9-2002 |
Well Jonathan, I'm a Belgian dude (No...I'm not goin' to tell you guys where that lies. Learn some EU-geography) and living near Leuven. CU and be Alembicious! Everything is going well thanx! Paul | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 46 Registered: 7-2002 |
OOPs!!! Must have misread your email. I better bone up on my EU-geog as I'll be visiting Amsterdam next month. | ||
| Paul Lindemans (palembic)
New Username: palembic Post Number: 10 Registered: 9-2002 |
Well Jonathan, if you have time to spare, hop over it's not that far away, a 200km I guess. Paul on the Profile you'll finf my mailaddres and mobile. Paul | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 48 Registered: 7-2002 |
I'd like that. Never been to Belgium but my wife has and she loves it. Unfortunately I'll be working from the time my feet hit the ground. Can't even spend an extra day because I've got gigs as soon as I return. | ||
| Ken W. Smith (dreambass)
New Username: dreambass Post Number: 3 Registered: 8-2002 |
I'd like to add my Euphonic Audio endorsement to that of Michael DiV's(9/4/02)....the early EA cabinets are incredible! I use from 1 to 4 cabs depending on the gig and sound system situation, 2-VL110's and 2-VL208's....usually one of each just like Mike! Power sections vary but they always sound incredible....I've left numerous "sound engineers" slack jawed after hearing their power and rich tone. All were found used but mint and 4 cost me less than 2 "standard" 2X10 cabs or a really good 4X10. They're getting hard to find but it's worth the effort. | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Junior Username: stoney Post Number: 49 Registered: 7-2002 |
I noticed that Euphonic has a web site up. Are they still in business and, are the cabs. you're referring to the ones that are currently made or perhaps a better "vintage" model that they don't make anymore? | ||
| Ken W. Smith (dreambass)
New Username: dreambass Post Number: 5 Registered: 8-2002 |
Stoney, Euphonic is very much still in business in Northern New Jersey. About 2 years ago they introduced their current series of coaxial cabinets which are very good. Unfortunately they discontinued the 8" and 10" multi-speaker cabinets when they did. My personal preference is for the older models but honestly the current ones DO kick ass! The VL208, my personal favorate, was a 3 way cabinet and had 2-8" lowend drivers, 2-5" mid drivers and a 1" hi-freq horn. 5 drivers, a 3 way crossover and all in a cab about the size of a small 1x12 2 way. Handles 400 watts, too! VERY deep sounding. The VL110, Very nice...I have two of these also, has 1-10" low, 1-5" mid and the 1" horn. It's tiny and handles 250 watts. I think you need a pair of these for most gigs. Check Euphonic on eBay...they often show up. I would recommend one of each as a killer, portable rig. I sometimes run all 4 of my cabs with a Mesa 400, which will handle 2 ohm loads, and it's awesome. TOO loud for most clubs....I use this outdoors. KEN | ||
| Frank Goodrick (yggdrasil)
New Username: yggdrasil Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hey Paul- We love Belgium, especially the lambic beers -one of which I believe is brewed by a namesake of yours- brewed along the Zenne (esp. in Beersel). We have visited Leuven a few times - Domus is/was great, not sure now I think it has been taken over by a larger brouwerie.Fantastic City hall there. I like the SWR Baby Blue II for clean sound, but not much power. Frank in Toronto | ||
| Paul Lindemans (palembic)
Junior Username: palembic Post Number: 17 Registered: 9-2002 |
Howdo Frank, now this IS great! The type of beer you mentioned is indeed one of the oldest beers there exist. The brand "Lindemans" is indeed made by one of my uncles. One of the jokes I regulary bump into is when I wear my "Alembic" pin. In formal situation -business etc.- I'm wearing kind of suit and as a small wink to the seriousness of the situation I'm wearing the Alembic pin. Then you have these people coming nearby with puzzled eyes trying to read what' s the pin is about. Some people react: "ho...you're in the beer business". Hohoho ... so they see "Alembic" as "Lambic". Other people see the "retort" (the image of the "alembic") on the pin and ask: are you an alchemist. Of course I say yes and I invent a hole complex story about meeting of the elements by the snake, where the mind rules in achieveing things ...blablabla. Very impressive. You should see those people eyes!! I live nearby Leuven and truly Domus is a good beer, it's a "house" beer. I mean: you can only drinlk it in the bar there because they actually make it there. (See... in an bass-club talking about beer ...ts-ts-ts those Belgians!) Hope to hear from you soon, you got my mail! Paul | ||
| Derwin C. Moss (bassdude63)
New Username: bassdude63 Post Number: 5 Registered: 10-2002 |
I've owned an Eden D-XLT410 and I now own an SWR Goliath-III 4-10 cab. I noticed the Eden was a bit warmer sounding. It also seemed to project the sound better than the SWR, I suppose because it has ports on the top and bottom of the cabinet. The main reason I switched to the SWR is it's size and weight; it's just a little easier for me to move by myself. The SWR's a bit tighter sounding and the design makes it easier to hear myself when I'm on a cramped stage. I also don't get as many "turn down your bass" complaints from soundmen as I did with the Eden. They're both great sounding and well built. I also own an Ampeg SVT-II Pro tube head and the matching 810E Classic back (& bank) breaking stack. I just can't seem to get the headroom out of my SVT. It really has to be cranked(to eleven?) to achieve the volume to compete with my drummer. The Ampeg 8-10 cabinet really throws the sound out into the audience- it's harder for me to hear myself when I'm forced to stand close to it. It's also very costly to maintain; good tubes are very hard to find and they're expensive. Don't get me wrong-it does sound great, but I'm presently trying to sell it. I guess I've just had better luck with Gallien-Krueger heads than anything else I've owned or tried. Most of the time I use my G-K 2000RB, but on the smaller stages I use my G-K 400RB-III head. It's great that there are so many manufacturers of good quality bass amplification, as everyone has different opinions on what constitutes good bass tone. I don't think you can go wrong between owning an Eden Metro combo or an SWR Redhead combo-they're both excellent amps. Whatever works best for you. | ||
| Paul Lindemans (palembic)
Junior Username: palembic Post Number: 41 Registered: 9-2002 |
Hy Derwin, it's what someone told me and I experienced myself: SWR and EDEN are speakers in a range that is very audible (I don't know if this word is correct american). You hear is very good, Ampeg is more lower and asks for more power I guess. Paul | ||
| David Wyatt (smokin_dave)
New Username: smokin_dave Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2002 |
I work at a night club here in town as a sound tech three nights a week and I see alot of different bass rigs and although I play through two Eden 410 XLT's,and love the sound of them very much,I've seen a couple of these cabs being used and they sound incredible.I may get one of these for myself.Light weight and they handle an enormous amount of power.Here's a link. http://www.acmebass.com/ See ya. | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Junior Username: pookeymp Post Number: 26 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Dave, I just finsihed reading up of these puppies and I must say I'm really intrigued as to their sound w/ the addition of the midrange driver...I can see where this could set it apart from other 4x10's. I currently use a Golitah II, Goliath III, and a pair of Carvin 18's...not all at once though. I've been debating on whether to go for another Golitath III or the Eden 410XLT...but since the Acme's are not carried at any dealers...I may take a chance and try them anyway as they do give you a 2-week trial period where you can return them for any reason. Thanks for the info. Mikey/ | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 60 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Dave, Based on your last post on this thread, I began researching into the Acme's you mentioned as I was in the market for another cab. I decided to go for it and just had my Acme's delivered this week. I got the Low B4 (4x10) and the Low B2 (2x10). These speakers are absolutely amazing...I love them. They really reproduce the sound of your instrument nicely...It covers the lower frequencies of my "B" string beautifully...nice full bottom...very focused...not boomy, and it went right up the frequency range very smoothly, nice mids and smooth highs, not piercing. The 4x10 alone easily replaces my Goliath III and Carvin 1x18. The nicest part is that when switching from my Alembic to my Tobias to my Tune, etc., I can actually clearly hear the tonal qualities of each instrument. Thanks again for the info...they're definitely a great buy. Mikey/ | ||
| Edwin Hurwitz (edwin)
New Username: edwin Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have to second the praise for the Acme speakers. I have a B2 that I love. One of the really nice things about it is the cone mid and dome tweeter instead of the ubiquitous Foster horn found on most Eden and SWR cabs. That horn just sounds spitty and nasty to me, but the highs on the Acme are very smooth and clear. They do take a lot of power and I have torn up my cones using an envelope follower and octaver combination. Once I got that more under control, I have had no further problems. I am looking forward to getting a few more! Edwin | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 61 Registered: 7-2002 |
Most certainly...whenever popping on the G string at loud volumes, I would usually squinch up my face at the rough sound coming from the horn out of my SWR...but with the Acme every high is simply pleasing...no matter what I do. Hey Edwin, I read somewhere on another site a fellow said he was advised by Andy from Acme not to use an octaver with these cabs...did you find this to be the case, or have you found a way to use it without causing any damage. I rarely use one, and when I do, I only use it to track me on the D & G strings, but I can get away without it if necessary, but am curious as to your findings. Mikey/ | ||
| Brian Ceasar (bbe1020)
Junior Username: bbe1020 Post Number: 50 Registered: 5-2002 |
I also have heard good input about the ACME cabs, from a club member(ZYALA). He said that his one 2x10 cab gives a full sound; lows, highs, mids, however, he's lacking a bit in the amplifier area at the moment. I recently acquired a pair of EDEN DAVID series cabs; (1) 2x10-XLT (1) 1x15-XLT and I am EXTREMELY pleased with the sound that these cabs provide. I couldn't get as clean and clear a sound from my (2) peavey 2x10's, not to mention the LOW's... I find the EDEN cabs are warmer, and compliment my series II tone(s). | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 71 Registered: 7-2002 |
Here's an nifty little web site for cabinet reviews. I just ordered an ACME Low B2 and a Stewart World 1.2 power amp. I'll report sometime soon. http://www.bgra.net/reviews/cabinet-index.html Stoney | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 63 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Stoney, I agree...it certainly is a neat site to get some insight/perspectives from various sources. If you go to http://www.bgra.net/bass-rev.php and scroll down a bit and select one of the links on the left, you can also get reviews on basses, amps, preamps, etc. I would definitely like to hear how you like your Acme and Stewart. Would you happen to be using the F-1X or F-2B...'cause if you are, I am very interested in how the whole combo works together as I'm seriously considering the F-1X. Mikey/ | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 72 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Mickey, I'll be using my Brown Bass and Custom Essence (sig electronics)with an F-1X, and that's ALL, I hope. Anyway, I'll give you a report after I get done rattling some teeth in the neighborhood. Thanks for the additional link. I'll check it out. Stoney | ||
| Daniel Tracey (dannobasso)
Junior Username: dannobasso Post Number: 13 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hello all, The only Edens I've used are at a really good rehearsal place here in Jersey. I wasn't knocked out at all. 2 410's and a upper level Eden Head. Perhaps it was the type of circuts that Eden uses? I've used my custom spoilers (3 sixes, 1 seven fretless) SC deluxe signature and my new custom excel 5 in these rigs. I much prefer the F1X into a crest, carver or even hafler amp into my Epifani T310 cab. I don't know how available they are in your area but so far they are the best I've used. I've even coupled it with a big ben 18. (I don't bring that one to gigs anymore, too much work) But I really like the Epifani product. Also the owner Nick is a friendly helpful guy who really cares about his customers. Its square ported and rated at 5.3 ohms 600 watts about the size of an average 210. I will look at the Stewert amps to see what they're all about. Thanks for the tip. Danno | ||
| Rob Rybak (essenceman)
New Username: essenceman Post Number: 7 Registered: 10-2002 |
Hi, I use the same Euphonic Audio cabs as Michael (1x10 & 2x8). I power them with an EA head. The sound is amazing - even the bottom B on my Essence 5. The other huge plus is that it's a very compact rig and really light. I used to use a Redhead, but the EA has a much wider range of sounds, if you can find any of these smaller cabs, it's certainly worth the search. Rob | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 73 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey for all or you EA fans out there, these ACME cabs are highly being compared to the "old" EA cabs...you know, the ones you can't get anymore. | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 82 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hi All, I received my new Acme Bass Low B2 speaker and Stewart World 1.2 amp last Friday. My original intent was to use my Alembic F1X and the Stewart Workd 1.2 only but after I played with that combo for a while I decided to throw my Trace Elliot into the mix (now we're talkin). Anyway, these little speakers (2x10, a 5" midrange and tweeter..there are attenuators on the back for the midrange and tweeter) really put out some awesome rumbling sound. There is a bit of a break in period to get the cones moving so by Saturday afternoon I was really starting to annoy the neighborhood. The bottom end is tight,tight,tight. They're really built for a 5- string and I only play 4-string basses. The highs are sweet and really react to the Q's. They can certainly take the power. The Stewart delivers 600 watts in bridged mono into 8 ohms. I hit a "B" and let it ring out and two pictures fell off the wall, and that was only at about half volume ! I am considering purchasing another but I don't know if I will actually need it. The guys at Bass Northwest compare this cab to the ole Euphonic Audio cabs everyone raves about. Anyway, the 2x10 cab is 480.00. The handles aren't so great. They are the same handles that Hartke uses on their 2x10, but the cab is less than 50lbs so it's easy to handle. I bought a cover for it for 50.00. The cover is a bit flimsy and difficult to get on because it goes over the cab horizontally then a strap with velcro goes around the bottom to secure it. There is a two week trial period and you can return the cab if you don't like it. That's not gonna happen. I'm not currently playing bass with my band (I've been relegated to playing rhythm guitar, keys, sax, harmonica) but I have a few sit-in gigs coming up and plan to use only this one cab. I'm confident it will do just fine. Check 'em out at www.acmebass.com Stoney | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 70 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Stoney, Glad to hear you're enjoying your Acme's. I've had mine for almost a month now and am thoroughly pleased with these guys. I currently have the 4x10 and the 2x10. I plan on purchasing another 4x10 to keep at my home Church, and the other 2 I will use as needed at gigs. I hope to be able to get the F-1X at some point in the near future. With your current setup, you must be sounding quite awesome right now!!! Mikey/ | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 91 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Mickey, Yea, so far, so good. The Stewart "seems" to be dong its job but I've gotta play in some different places to really get the feel. No question about the speaker though. What amp/set up are you using? I've just ordered a 1x10 Acme and I'm entertaining purchasing a EA iAmp 300. Any thoughts? Stoney | ||
| Glen Mertens (valhallabass)
New Username: valhallabass Post Number: 5 Registered: 6-2002 |
I think Eden is in the process of being acquired by U.S. Music Corp. [they market Randall amps, if I recall correctly], so it remains to be seen if the Edens of the future bear any resemblance to the ones referred to above. | ||
| Dave Houck (davehouck)
Junior Username: davehouck Post Number: 16 Registered: 5-2002 |
That doesn't sound like good news. I play through a WT-800 and two 210XLT's, a wonderful rig. I would hate to see something happen to Eden like for instance happened to Tobias basses when that company changed hands. | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 78 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Guys, Not only did U.S. Music Corp acquire Eden...but Washburn recently acquired U.S. Music Corp...so essentially, Washburn acquired Eden. Washburn is officially changing their name to U.S. Music Corp. beg. 1/1/03. Here is the official announcement: http://www.usmusiccorp.com/pr/usm.htm Hey Stoney, I initially was using the Eden Navigator Preamp, coupled w/ the Eden WT1000 Amp. But, as I mentioned in another thread somewhere, the Navigator Preamp has tons of knobs & buttons, and I decided that I'd rather go back to a more basic preamp. So, I went back to my Ampeg SVTIII Pro. But since it doesn't have enough power to run the 4x10 Acme, I use the Preamp out of the Ampeg into the Eden WT1000, and the sound was killer. Unfortunately, at my gig this past Friday, on the last song, the amp started distorting badly at even very low volumes (turns out one channel on the amp is fried). So, I had to take my Eden back to the dealer (it's only 4 months old). Since Eden is in still in re-organization mode, he said he will take care of the repair himself and settle the warranty issue with U.S. Music Corp. later once the dust settles. My Ampeg runs the 2x10 Acme well, but isn't quite enough for the 4x10, so if I have a larger gig before I get the Eden back, I guess I'll have to go back to my SWR Goliath III (which is quite a bit more efficient) and the Ampeg. Ultimately, I am looking to go F1-X and QSC w/ the Acme's. Mikey/ | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 79 Registered: 7-2002 |
The above link was the announcement of Washburn acquiring U.S. Music Corp...this link is the announcement of U.S. Music acquiring Eden: http://www.usmusiccorp.com/pr/eden.htm Mikey/ | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 92 Registered: 7-2002 |
Thanks Mickey, hope you get everything straightened out. I see you're from Rahway NJ. Ever gone out to see "Who's Next"? They're a Who tribute band out of NY. I think their next gig is March 1st (Roger Daltrey birthday bash) Check em out at http://www.whosnexttribute.com Their bassist doesn't play an Alembic but he's very good. I sat in with them a while back. Check out the "Americares" story in their archives. Stoney | ||
| Dave Houck (davehouck)
Junior Username: davehouck Post Number: 18 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thanks for the link Michael. I read the article; it states that David Nordschow will remain as director of research and development. But I still just don't know what to think. I guess we'll have to wait and see. Thanks again. | ||
| Derwin Moss (bassdude63)
Junior Username: bassdude63 Post Number: 34 Registered: 10-2002 |
I recently bought a G-K 1001RB 2-10 combo amp to use on small to medium-sized gigs. I've always had very good results with G-K's amps. I also own a G-K 2000RB that I run through either an SWR Goliath Sr. 6-10 or a Golaith-III 4-10 and a G-K 400RB-III that I use at home. I know a lot of players would rather use an all- tube or tube/solid state hybrid amp setup, but believe me, G-K amps are some of the warmest sounding solid state amps I've heard. They sound great and are very reliable. Very interesting news regarding Eden. | ||
| Joey Wilson (bigredbass)
Junior Username: bigredbass Post Number: 35 Registered: 9-2002 |
Let's see now . . . there's no SWR at SWR, there's no Tobias or Steinberger at MusicYo!, not a trace at TraceElliot, and Eden is getting Washburned ! My hat's off to the Wickershams, the Peaveys, the Randall Smiths, the Bob Galliens, and all of the other folks with enough guts to stick it out because they knew no one else could be true to their own vision. I've come to the point I virtually refuse to buy any gear made by any company that is not owned and operated by the original owners. | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 80 Registered: 7-2002 |
I whole-heartedly agree...let's give these true "Pioneers" a hand!!! Hey Stoney, I haven't yet had the opportunity to hear "Who's Next", but I have heard of them. The "Americares" is a great story...it sounds like you and your Alembic put on a great show that night...Very Nice!!! Mikey/ | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 93 Registered: 7-2002 |
Yea, "we" had a blast. Unfortunately their bassist was impatiently tapping his foot and fingers about half way into Summertime Blues, then the guitarist "sheepishly" asked him if I could play another.....Anyway, I thik they're doing a Roger Daltrey Birthday show on Mar. 1st. I'm considering going up for the show. Ditto on the applause for the "pioneers" Stoney | ||
| Derwin Moss (bassdude63)
Junior Username: bassdude63 Post Number: 36 Registered: 10-2002 |
What's the census about Ampeg? They've been bought and sold at least 3 times-I like the SVT3 & SVT4 heads, and they're pro-series cabinets sound good too. I'd agree that my SVT2 does'nt come close when compared to the original "Hull-Era" SVT heads-nor does the SVT Classic head, for that matter. | ||
| Peter Hess (locutusofborg10)
New Username: locutusofborg10 Post Number: 5 Registered: 11-2002 |
i'm currently using an SWR Workingmans 2004 with a Peavey 410 and a Peavey 115. the quality of the sound makes my epic sing. while it doesn't have the power of some other amps it will definitely cut it in small to medium venues. | ||
| Wally Malone (wally_malone)
Junior Username: wally_malone Post Number: 14 Registered: 7-2002 |
Jumping into this thread late reading it for the first time. I've owned an Eden Metro for a few years now. I used it as a stand alone and have also added an Eden 210XLT and/or Eden 410XLT cabs. Just recently I sold the Eden cabs and bought an Accugroove 112 cab that has a twelve, a six and two tweeters. I got to use it playing a Christmas party with a six-piece band and it kicked. I sat the Accugroove on top of the Metro because I like the sound I'm hearing from it. Down the road I'm looking at getting a second 112 Accugroove and going the amp and preamp direction. I've been considering the Stewart 1.2 or 1.6 and will try all the preamps I can at the NAMM show in two weeks. Wally | ||
| Yahya Abdur'Raheem (yahyabb)
New Username: yahyabb Post Number: 1 Registered: 8-2002 |
Yo, J. Plug your new cab into an Aguilar 350 or 750 Head. It will give you a new perspective. Enjoy. | ||
| Jonathan Johnstone (stoney)
Member Username: stoney Post Number: 94 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey 'Y' Welcome to the site. Thanks for the tip. Stoney | ||
| Simon Taylor (staylor)
Junior Username: staylor Post Number: 12 Registered: 5-2002 |
I can't really say how the newer ampeg heads compare to the older, but my current rig is an ampeg SVT4 Pro head w/ a PR410 HLF cab. Performs beautifully!! Best sound I've had yet. Great low end support and it can handle most club situations I've played in (small to medium) by itself, though I do prefer to direct out to the house sub so I don't have to blast everyone off stage!! Only down side for me is once the cabinet is cased up and ready to travel the thing practically weighs a ton -- ok, ok, it only weighs about 200 lbs. in the case . . . but still that's way too much for me and another guy to lug up and down the stairs to our studio! As such, I've been very interested in trying out an Eden 210 XLT (I think that's the model) as a smaller more portable rig. I'd still take the 410 to gigs, but for anything less than a public appearance, I would rather have a more reasonably sized rig to transport -- it would be nice to believe that I could have good sounding bass in a package that I could also manage to carry to the rehearsal/jam by myself! | ||
| Derwin Moss (bassdude63)
Junior Username: bassdude63 Post Number: 38 Registered: 10-2002 |
Simon, I really like the setup you're running. Especially that PR410 HLF cabinet. I tried one when they first came out-what a killer tone! My SVT2 sounds fantastic, I just wish it had more headroom. Out of the amps I own it has THE rock tone when it's cranked. I don't know if the Eden takeover will be a bad thing-I hope not, but I think St Louis Music has done a great job resurrecting the Ampeg line of bass amps. | ||
| Simon Taylor (staylor)
Junior Username: staylor Post Number: 13 Registered: 5-2002 |
Hey thanks, Derwin! Yeah, the PR410 HLF is a pretty amazing cabinet. However, the SVT4 Pro is what I've really come to love! Mine was out of commission for a couple months this summer -- had some component in the power amp circuit go out, but it was all still under warranty -- and I had to play a few shows where the best rig I could put together consisted of my PR410 HLF combined with an Ampeg B2 or B3 -- can't remember. Anyway, let me just say that it paled in comparison. Without the bridge mono (which I currently run until I can get some roadies to carry around 2 PR410 HLF's, hehehe) and without the onboard compression, I was constantly trying to compensate with my fingers for the lack of good punch, but this just made the overall shape of the sound totally uneven. I was SOOOO happy to get my SVT4 Pro back! I hadn't heard anything about an "Eden takeover". When did that happen? | ||
| Michael Paskel (Mikey) (pookeymp)
Member Username: pookeymp Post Number: 81 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Simon, The Eden "Acquisition" just recently took place. Here is a link I posted a littler earlier in this thread regarding this: http://www.usmusiccorp.com/pr/eden.htm Mikey/ | ||
| Simon Taylor (staylor)
Junior Username: staylor Post Number: 14 Registered: 5-2002 |
Ah, right. Now I remember when you made that post, Mikey. I misread Derwin's mention of it to mean that Eden had acquired SLM. I have to admit that I've not really been a fan of the products that US Music Corp puts out. It all seems like fine gear, but just as an example, I've never in recent years looked at a Washburn guitar and thought, "wow, now that is the sweetest piece of gear!". It's usually something like, "gee that looks like a fair piece of equipment." Who knows though, maybe US Music Corp will climb a rung on the quality ladder rather than dragging Eden into the mediocrity stew of oblivion. At least it's good to see that founder David Nordschow is staying on in R&D. I suspect we'll know the day that David leaves will be the day that Eden is likely doomed to the genre of "classic gear". On the flip side, here I am enjoying the new Ampeg gear, so it goes to show that any line of gear can have its resurrection -- just depends on who is on the product development and management teams I suppose. | ||
| Joey Wilson (bigredbass)
Junior Username: bigredbass Post Number: 38 Registered: 9-2002 |
As he's an AMPEG clinician, I suspect Dino could clue us in on their resurrection by St. Louis Music. I have the greatest respect for SLM and the Kornblum family. They have been around for years as an honorable company. I personally think the Alvarez-Yairi guitars are the most overlooked and underestimated acoustic guitars out there. And I must admit there are a few succesful 'revivals' out there. Could anyone deny the job that Bill Shultz has done with Fender? I live here at the home of Gibson, who has done a laughable job of the same task. But I still prefer the smaller companies with the original owners. | ||
| Dino Monoxelos (dean_m)
Junior Username: dean_m Post Number: 50 Registered: 7-2002 |
Hey Guys, Thought I'd chime in. I "heard" my name mentioned. There is a great book on the history of Ampeg put out by Hal Leonard. It gives the history of the company from Everett Hull all the way to present day. It really is very interesting. Ampeg has switched ownership quite a few times. From Magnavox to Selmer (yup the horn folks). It really is a miracle that they survived all those changes. Remember Harley being bought by AMF. Don't worry, I'm not going there!!! LOL Anyway, I was an Ampeg user since I was a kid and it's just an amp that I've always used. I love the new gear that's out there too. Aguilar, Eden, SWR, I just know what works for me and being a stubborn Greek, it's hard for me to change. One thing that SLM pays a lot of attention to is their customer service. Yeah their stuff breaks as does anyone's, but, there's never any problem getting it fixed or replaced. The other thing that they've done is to stay true to the original Ampeg concept "build what works". Again, sure they've come out with some pretty ridiculous stuff but, that's the price for trying new stuff. The original SVT never went away. They've made different variations of the SVT but they never replaced the big 'ol 300w tuber. Their best selling cab is still the original 8x10 fridge. They won't even put a horn in it because it will mess with the original design. As far as the other lines they carry like the Alvarez-Yairi guitars, take a look at a Bob Weir Yairi, it's absolutely beautiful. I get nervous and a little sad when I see a nice family owned company get taken over by coporate America. That's why I have the outmost respect for Mica, Susan & Ron and the whole Alembic family, as brother Paul L. calls them "Alembicians". You'll never see quality sacrificed for quantity. I think the Kornblum family has done a pretty respectable job in keeping with the Ampeg tradition though. I'm not just saying that because I'm a clinician either, I'm a clinician because I believe in the product as I have since I was a kid. | ||
| Dino Monoxelos (dean_m)
Member Username: dean_m Post Number: 51 Registered: 7-2002 |
BTW- I was just reading back and I read Derwin's comments about Ampeg old and new. Man, I don't know. I've got an original '69 SVT and a '94 SVT Classic. The Classic holds it's own against the '69. It sounds a little more refined but I've been told it's mostly because the circuitry from the '69 is either too impracticle or simply unavailable to reproduce. I actually use the Classic more because it is more reliable. "They don't make them like that anymore" is a true statement but I have to say I'm happy with the Classic. Now if they could get the same sound out of a 10lb package, my back would love me!!!!! | ||
| Michael (mic104)
New Username: mic104 Post Number: 1 Registered: 1-2003 |
I also tried to scale down my equipment... After testing several combos I now stick to the following solution: For small gigs I prefer a Hughes & Kettner 4x10, which is powered by an SWR Mo'Bass. For bigger stages I have to carry the full load: 2 Hughes & Kettner 4x10 plus 2 Hughes & Kettner 1x15, SWR Mo'Bass. Sure, a lot to carry around, but that's 900 Watts for my Essence... | ||
| Paul Lindemans (palembic)
Intermediate Member Username: palembic Post Number: 179 Registered: 9-2002 |
I think I'm going to ruin my reputation here but I can understand thoose selling a brand to another company very well. For the selling side is most of the time a question of pure surviving. Alas there is also a factor "taking the money and run" in it too playing. For the buyer it serves the completion of it's rangeof products. Some of those buy-overs work very well some are not working that good. You have to understand that in some cases the consequence would be the dissappearance from the market. Its succes depends on the intentions and respect the buyer has for the bought. And I agree: it's not easy to do that! Paul | ||
| Mark DuFresne (markus)
Junior Username: markus Post Number: 20 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've heard all the buzz that the Euphonics Audio VL-110 is highly coveted for it's high output and ability to handle a low B. Anybody have any experience with the VL-108? Mark |
