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mike1762
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Username: mike1762

Post Number: 1005
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 3:51 pm:   Edit Post

Go to my band's RN page (http://www.reverbnation.com/funkundercoverknoxville) and listen to the beginning of "Superstition". What is causing that "flange" type artifact on the drums (mainly cymbals)??? I've noticed it on a few of my other recordings as well. It's only noticeable if nothing but the drums are playing. It's not on the wav files and I don't hear it playing through my DAW... it only occurs after I convert to MP3.

That's my BalK BTW :-)
jimmyj
Senior Member
Username: jimmyj

Post Number: 481
Registered: 8-2008
Posted on Saturday, October 12, 2013 - 5:04 pm:   Edit Post

I think you answered your own question. Try encoding to mp3 at a higher bit-rate.
Fun band.
Jimmy J
mike1762
Senior Member
Username: mike1762

Post Number: 1006
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2013 - 3:07 am:   Edit Post

Oh... I honestly didn't know the bit-rate was adjustable!!! I'll dive into the sub-menus this afternoon. It IS a fun band. I cut my teeth on hard rock/heavy metal... I NEVER would have foreseen myself playing this type-of material. But it's a blast!!!
peoplechipper
Advanced Member
Username: peoplechipper

Post Number: 369
Registered: 2-2009
Posted on Sunday, October 13, 2013 - 9:56 pm:   Edit Post

I didn't know the bit rate was adjustable either, but my drummer uploaded the songs...if anyone cares to listen, reverbnation.com/rumsfeld is my band and yes, that is my singing and bass and I wrote the damn tunes; it's my fault...sob...Tony
terryc
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Username: terryc

Post Number: 2137
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 2:46 am:   Edit Post

Go back to 1/4" tape or cassettes. LOL
sonicus
Senior Member
Username: sonicus

Post Number: 3062
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 12:20 pm:   Edit Post

Mike ,
Bit-rate/bandwidth issues at high frequencies along with impairment of phase seems to be par for the course at times with such MP3 issues. Some sites render better then others regarding digital artifacts and anomalies .
Using the best DA converter on your end might be the best that you can do and if possible as Jimmyj writes opt for highest bit rates when possible.

Terry , Yes __ reel to reel tape !
Such as my AMPEX AG440C DC servo capstan 1/2 " tape 2 Track Stereo or 4 track @30ips with Dolby SR ____Sweet ! Too bad it has a large foot print and is big and heavy ( more then 24"x24") therefore you can not put it in your pocket, BUT no MP3 can touch it sound wise_____
Here is a similar discussion regarding MP3's ;

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/gear-shoot-outs-sound-file-comparisons-audio-tests/613474-can-you-hear-difference-between-these-two-intros.html
sonicus
Senior Member
Username: sonicus

Post Number: 3063
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 12:22 pm:   Edit Post

Mike, Musically you guys sound awesome ! Great bass as well!
mike1762
Senior Member
Username: mike1762

Post Number: 1007
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Monday, October 14, 2013 - 1:24 pm:   Edit Post

I don't have the "ears" to discern vinyl from CD, but I do notice the degredation with mp3. But how else can you carry around your entire album collection in your pocket??? The price you pay I guess. I appreciate the compliment Wolf. I wish we could play-out more, but we're lucky if we gig once a month.
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 2139
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 2:35 am:   Edit Post

Sonicus..I still have a working Akai 4000DS MkII reel to reel. I recorded a band rehearsal with it a couple of years ago with two mics at the back of the hall and it sounded great.
I love the 'saturated' type sound you can achieve with tape..gives it that prescence which you don't hear with digital these days..or maybe I am looking(or hearing) through rose tinted glasses!!
sonicus
Senior Member
Username: sonicus

Post Number: 3065
Registered: 5-2009
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 2:54 am:   Edit Post

Terry ,
Tape Saturation & other aspects of " analoque warmth " are discussed in this article. No intention to hijack this thread but just to add insight, this might be useful to discuss.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb10/articles/analoguewarmth.htm
gtrguy
Senior Member
Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 632
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 12:00 pm:   Edit Post

I sometimes get that effect if I have layers of the same drums hidden underneath each other on the clips or if the tracks get slightly 'misaligened' by accidently nudging one in the computer. I use Sonar Producer.
mike1762
Senior Member
Username: mike1762

Post Number: 1008
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Tuesday, October 15, 2013 - 4:06 pm:   Edit Post

I use Sonar as well. I haven't had a chance to check on the bit rate thing. I actually use WaveLab to convert my stereo wav file to MP3. I'm finally off for a few days, so I'll look into that tomorrow.
mike1762
Senior Member
Username: mike1762

Post Number: 1009
Registered: 1-2008
Posted on Wednesday, October 16, 2013 - 6:27 am:   Edit Post

I found the bit rate setting on Sonar, but not WaveLab. I don't think Sonar used to be able to render MP3; therefore, I got used to using WaveLab for that function. No reason to keep using WaveLab at this point.
gtrguy
Senior Member
Username: gtrguy

Post Number: 633
Registered: 9-2004
Posted on Thursday, October 17, 2013 - 6:57 pm:   Edit Post

No, you have to pay extra to get Sonor to make MP3's. For a $500 program, that seems pretty cheap.

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