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wideload
Member
Username: wideload

Post Number: 93
Registered: 6-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 10:57 am:   Edit Post

Golly, ,my GAS price is about $11,000 for the Buckeye Burl Mark King in the showroom at Alembic. What a beauty!

Larry
tbrannon
Junior
Username: tbrannon

Post Number: 29
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 11:57 am:   Edit Post

$1.52 NZ per liter (roughly $5.80 US/gallon). Diesel is up there as well.

It's a good thing I commute on my bike.

(Message edited by tbrannon on October 26, 2005)
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1161
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Wednesday, October 26, 2005 - 12:11 pm:   Edit Post

When I was in OZ in late '03, the Aussies were crying that regular was $1AUD/litre! At the time, that was about $2.70 per gal (@ $1AUD = $0.67USD). I can just imagine what it is now!
mpisanek
Member
Username: mpisanek

Post Number: 81
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 3:51 am:   Edit Post

You guys in the "Good Ol' U S of A" are lucky, very lucky. Your gas prices will drop down to a very low level again. While the rest of the world will suffer from high petrol prices ad infinitum!
matthijs
Junior
Username: matthijs

Post Number: 12
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 4:37 am:   Edit Post

That is, until the american (texas) oilfields run out. Which will be 20-30 years before the rest of the world's oilfields do. THEN americans will know what high oil prices are.
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1162
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 4:43 am:   Edit Post

Yes, unfortunately. The EU taxes petrol to death. Fuel efficient vehicles are a must there, utility be damned. In the good 'ole gluttonous, wasteful U.S. of A., we can indulge our whims of luxury, space, V-8 torque and utility IFF fuel prices are resonable. The biggest auto manufacturers in the world count on that to stay alive. Dubya is so busy counting his oil revenues, he forgot about all that. Sure we're wasteful...I'm guilty myself. But after years of slumming in foreign-made econoboxes that had no power and no room for me to even be comfortable in (nevermind haul stuff), I gotta drive something full size. I spend two hours minimum a day in my vehicle, and that's just for work...40kmiles in 15mos! Even considering the load I dump every month for a car payment installment, insurance and maintenance, the doubling or tripling of fuel has had a major impact on my budget. It's still not enough for me to force myself to bend my self into a pretzel in another econobox to save a several hundred dead presidents a year, however...yet, LOL!
gare
Advanced Member
Username: gare

Post Number: 276
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 6:56 am:   Edit Post

'Dubya is so busy counting his oil revenues'..I thought he had the guys from Haliburton taking care of that ?

I'll have to go along with Kevin, we are a wasteful, gluttonous, arrogant people, we have to show the world we have bigger gonads. We gotta have the big V-8, 4x4, capable of towing Mt.Everest..just because.
But reality is starting to slowly settle in. My cost of getting to and from work has more than doubled since the 1st of the year..no raises in sight either.
I guess my biggest complaint is sitting in traffic, traffic lights could be sync'd better, who's the guy in front of me talking to on the phone at 6 in the morning ? You have a bathroom at home, please shave, put on makeup, etc there. Same thing for the kitchen, you have one, use it. And a vehicle moving at 60 mph is not a library.
But until somebody comes out with a Mr.Fusion like in Back to the Future, we're all kinda stuck arent we ? Or maybe someone could start working on an engine that will run on urine..now wouldn't that be handy ?
mpisanek
Member
Username: mpisanek

Post Number: 83
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 7:20 am:   Edit Post

You guys need a good public transport infrastructure! Just think about it, cheap transportation, on time, no traffic jams, and fuel efficient! Wouldn't life be wonderful!
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1164
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 7:37 am:   Edit Post

Sounds great, but politics rule. Everyone wants better mass transit, until they have to pay for it (taxes), it has to go in their back yard, or blocks their view, or needs to take-up valuable real-estate, or...(fill in the blank), etc. Man, here in Jersey, land is so precious they're trying to reclaim and build on protected wetlands as there's no more land to be had. People are buying old houses with property for exorbitant multiples of what they're worth and tearing 'em down to build a new, ridiculously expensive homes because you can't get property here anymore. The roads are horrible, getting more clogged each passing day from the continual influx due to NYC suburban sprawl and others looking to make bux in the city. No real infrastructure is being added nor is any mass transit being developed to handle the influx, but taxes, fuel, property values, etc., keep going up! We're getting more Wal-Marts, Home Depot's and strip malls, though! LOL!
811952
Senior Member
Username: 811952

Post Number: 542
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 7:49 am:   Edit Post

Mass transit has got to be the answer long term. Until then it's the motorcycle for me. 52 mpg on the last tank, and the tank before was 57 mpg. I think I recall reading some years back that 6 fully loaded semi trucks used the same amount of diesel on a coast-to-coast trip as a 100-car freight train, due to rolling resistance, gradients and all that stopping and starting...

John (who rode to work in this morning's 39 degree farenheit chill and enjoyed it)
gare
Advanced Member
Username: gare

Post Number: 277
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 7:54 am:   Edit Post

' We're getting more Wal-Marts, Home Depot's and strip malls.'
And we need our big, gas, guzzling trucks and SUV's to haul all the new stuff we buy from those stores with all our desposible income !
It's the American way !
So what if the card is at 21%, the back seat is half empty ! LOL!!!
keith_h
Advanced Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 223
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 8:05 am:   Edit Post

The problem with mass transit isn't the taxes needed to support it but the way metropolitan areas have grown in the US. Instead of urban development with well defined employment centers we have grown on the suburban model. This results not only in the distribution of housing but also of employment. This precludes building fixed transit systems such as trains and subways leaving us with busses. Unfortunately busses are not very good for long distance commuting. They leave gaps in routing that everyone then use as an excuse to drive their car. The only way to really get good mass transit is to change the development model to one that utilizes urban growth with centralized employment areas.

Keith
richbass939
Senior Member
Username: richbass939

Post Number: 445
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Thursday, October 27, 2005 - 6:17 pm:   Edit Post

Gasoline is at the high end of the USA price range here where I live but I am only 1 mile from work. If I catch both lights green I get to work in 4 minutes (both red it takes more like 6).
Rich
matthijs
Junior
Username: matthijs

Post Number: 13
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 8:57 am:   Edit Post

You are 1 mile from work and you drive? :D With habits like that I'd say let oil prices rise a little more to root them out :-)
mpisanek
Member
Username: mpisanek

Post Number: 84
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 9:42 am:   Edit Post

I currently own a Nissan Primera Estate. It is a turbodisel, six cylinder and gets roughtly 45 MPG. The engine is roughly the same size as the old dodge 225 cubic inch, and with the turbo is pretty peppy. I think a little more thought by auto manufacturers and importers wouldn't go astray.
richbass939
Senior Member
Username: richbass939

Post Number: 448
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, October 28, 2005 - 4:10 pm:   Edit Post

I ride my bike sometimes in the summer. Nine months out of the year I normally have to take the kids to school. Matthijs, you do make a valid point though.
Rich
richbass939
Senior Member
Username: richbass939

Post Number: 450
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 9:04 am:   Edit Post

Okay, I've had a little time for some self-reflection. I have to admit that, to some degree, I have a case of rectal-neck. I have my reasons why I don't always use a non-motorized means of getting the kids to school or myself to work. Some are valid, like when it's -30 or -40 F. Other "reasons" are just in support of my habit of climbing in the car ten minutes before I need to be at work.
It's easy to look at the values and habits of other cultures and point out their stupid aspects, but is harder to spot the same things about yourself. BTW, Matthijs, I'm not talking about you, I'm looking at myself. I think that because my cars aren't in the worst class of gas guzzlers that I'm doing my part. I'm sure it is making some difference but there certainly is more that I can do.
It's confronting when someone puts the spotlight on some part of your lifestyle and shows you that you probably have a pretty good look at your own colon. But, it would probably do us all some good.
Rich
keith_h
Advanced Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 228
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Saturday, October 29, 2005 - 12:29 pm:   Edit Post

My kids almost always took the bus to school or walked. Figured if it was good enough for me growing up it should be good enough for them. :-)
I will admit they thought it cramped their style somewhat in high school but I wasn't going to buy them a car and pay $250-$500 a year parking fees.

By the way I only commute 1 flight of stairs to work. It not only saves fuel but also reduces my work day a couple of hours by not driving into the plant site.

Keith
alembic76407
Senior Member
Username: alembic76407

Post Number: 401
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 5:41 am:   Edit Post

FLASH NEWS!!!!!!!!
Gas has hit $1.90 a gallon in Oklahoma City
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1184
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 6:14 am:   Edit Post

SOB! I can't get #2 Diesel cheaper than $2.53!
jet_powers
Advanced Member
Username: jet_powers

Post Number: 236
Registered: 2-2003
Posted on Friday, November 04, 2005 - 9:54 am:   Edit Post

I just returned from a vacation in Southern Cal earlier this week and ran into a place in the high desert (Banning, I think)that was getting 3.179.... they had a note on the counter inside telling people the number to call about the high prices...

JP
jacko
Senior Member
Username: jacko

Post Number: 408
Registered: 10-2002
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 5:29 pm:   Edit Post

Just been watching Disneys' The Love Bug and there's a sequence in a fuel station in a mining town called Chinese camp where the fuel was $0.41 a gallon. i had to smile - that would have been about 20 pence in my money. If only I had a time machine ;-)

Graeme
richbass939
Senior Member
Username: richbass939

Post Number: 457
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Saturday, November 05, 2005 - 6:48 pm:   Edit Post

Well, gas and diesel are still high here (gas is about $2.79 or so). I have started to walk the one mile to work. My 8 year old walks with me and turns off at one point to go to school. I can get more aerobic activity in my lifestyle and save fuel and fumes at the same time. I can easily walk 3 or 4 times a week right now. Winter isn't the best time to start something like this here in the high country but I could still do it many days during the winter.
Thanks to you guys (especially Matthijs) for helping me take a closer look at my habits and make a change.
Rich
mpisanek
Member
Username: mpisanek

Post Number: 89
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 7:55 am:   Edit Post

I remember running across the border into Juarez and getting gas for $0.17 pre gallon in the early 70's. Seems like that was a long time ago!. . . No wati, that was a long time ago!!!!
bracheen
Senior Member
Username: bracheen

Post Number: 881
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 1:31 pm:   Edit Post

Were you running to Juarez for gas or did you happen to get gas while there? ;)
keith_h
Advanced Member
Username: keith_h

Post Number: 240
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 1:45 pm:   Edit Post

Mike,
I'm old enough to remember $0.17 gas without having to cross the border. A gallon would last me a several lawns. At $1 - $2 per lawn I thought I was rolling in the money. LOL

Keith
alembic76407
Senior Member
Username: alembic76407

Post Number: 402
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 2:14 pm:   Edit Post

Beatle albums were $3.49 at Sears and I'd have to mow two yards at $2.00 Each to buy an album and the rest of the money would be for gas. where has the time gone !!!


now that I'm a Senior do I get a Senior discount at Alembic ????

David T (TLO)
bracheen
Senior Member
Username: bracheen

Post Number: 882
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, November 07, 2005 - 3:13 pm:   Edit Post

I like that idea David!

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