| Author | Message | ||
| murray
Advanced Member Username: murray Post Number: 230 Registered: 7-2007 |
Any thoughts? Bergantino HD112 vs Barefaced Super Compact 12? | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 2138 Registered: 5-2002 |
I have no real information on which to base this, but I'd go for the Barefaced. Personally, I might look at a Fearless F112, too. Hopefully you'll get someone who will chime in who has personal experience with the cabinets! | ||
| rustyg61
Senior Member Username: rustyg61 Post Number: 1750 Registered: 2-2011 |
I don't have any experience with either of those cabinets but I can tell you my AccuGroove Wedgie with a 12/6/dual tweeter is the best sounding cabinet I have ever played through! It blows away my Eden stack with a 410 & 115. The response is incredible, I can hear the slightest adjustment on my filters or CVQ controls. It is amazing how much low end these small cabinets produce, & it handles my low B perfectly. It will handle 400 watts & only weighs 29 pounds. If you prefer a traditional box they make the same speaker setup in a rectangular cabinet as well http://www.accugroovellc.com/?gclid=Cj0KEQiA4eqyBRDUh7Omv9vCtsoBEiQAspfs8s8cOhH2ftufguPr3HRZAydr-I25mDANJJJcgo3FLIgaAmo78P8HAQ#!wedgie/crn5 | ||
| flpete1uw
Senior Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 584 Registered: 11-2011 |
Glynn, I just purchased the Berg CN-212 and its a great sounding cab! The HD line is the ceramic magnet line and from what I understand people love them. I went with the CN neodymium magnet line because of the ~46 lbs weight. The CN-112 is ~26 lbs! The whole Bergantino line is greatly respected and now I concur. TalkBass has 100's of informative (By TalkBass standards) comments on all the Berg lines. Here's a good start. http://www.talkbass.com/threads/bergantino-series-clarification.999190/ I'm sure all the above would be great choices. Best wishes its fun travels looking for the quest for sound! Pete (Message edited by flpete1uw on November 29, 2015) (Message edited by flpete1uw on November 29, 2015) | ||
| murray
Advanced Member Username: murray Post Number: 231 Registered: 7-2007 |
Thanks everyone, especially Pete. I actually have been using one HD112 for some time now (I bought two but only needed to use them both on a couple of gigs)and couple it with a GenzBenz Streamliner 900. I love the sound but am always interested in what is out there. Pete's link to TalkBass was just what I needed to basically back up the purchase. Your CN212 is exactly the same weight as my HD112 44lbs which seems to be the weight we have to carry. There seems to be a trade off for single neo cabs in that they come in at around 28lbs (CN112) but haven't the low-end punch of ceramic. I guess you and I are both well suited to the cab we have chosen and a big vote for Bergs. Glynn | ||
| flpete1uw
Senior Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 585 Registered: 11-2011 |
Cool! When you get to this level of cabs any of the above suggestions would work fine. I was looking for a 1 cab solution to handle what's been coming my way. I'm thinking the CN-212's low end punch issues are a bit over stated except maybe when A/Bing the HD CN side by side. I'm finding if there is a issue my F2b / SF2 more than makes up for it. Congrats! Pete | ||
| bigredbass
Senior Member Username: bigredbass Post Number: 2503 Registered: 9-2002 |
I need a stage rig like I need a hole in the head as I no longer play out, but I am very intrigued that Bag End is now offering their built-in power amps to virtually any and all of their cabinets, plus in the case of those type bins, also built-in INFRA (I wonder how this follow-on to ELF differs . . .). Then all you would need is your preamp and any outboard and you're done. http://www.bagend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/PD10BX-D.pdf http://www.bagend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/IPS18E-D.pdf Professional concert sound has gone this way (imagine the miles of speaker cable they no longer need), and it will be interesting to see if MI follows. Joey | ||
| pauldo
Senior Member Username: pauldo Post Number: 1569 Registered: 6-2006 |
Dag gum it Joey! Nothing like links to Bag End equipment to give a guy a real bad case of GAS. | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 2319 Registered: 2-2005 |
They had one of these at the last Chicago gathering that was held at Bag End. http://www.bagend.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/bassault-r.pdf Keith | ||
| tomhug
Advanced Member Username: tomhug Post Number: 201 Registered: 7-2008 |
I'm really happy with my Bergantino HD212. To date it's the cabinet that comes closest to the sound I hear in my head. I typically run it with a Genz-Benz ShuttleMax 12.0, sometimes a Mesa Prodigy. I think the Berg HD212 is a bit colored towards nice beefy lows and low mids, so it might not be ideal if you want flat response, or if you wanted super scooped slap sound. It's very musical, though. I use it at a blues jam for which I am cohost. I get to hear a lot of different basses through it, and it consistently sounds great. I run my amps quite flat eq-wise, so what I hear is predominantly Bass + Cabinet. | ||
| rustyg61
Senior Member Username: rustyg61 Post Number: 1751 Registered: 2-2011 |
I have Neo drivers in both of my AccuGroove cabinets & they do not suffer from lack of punch or bottom end at all. In fact I had to cut the lows at my gig Saturday night using my Wedgie. A testament to the truly flat response these cabinets have is the fact that I can go from using my 3 way Wedgie with a 12/6/dual tweeter to my 4 way El Whappo with a 15/12/6/dual tweeter & not change my EQ settings at all. They both reproduce exactly what you put into them with no coloration, the difference being the El Whappo puts out much more sound, so I can use it at larger venues or outdoors without having to "find my tone" again. I set the gain level & I'm good to go! | ||
| flpete1uw
Senior Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 587 Registered: 11-2011 |
Rusty, I'm beginning to think if a cab is designed to be flat it is considered to "lack" low end. My Mesa Walkabout Scout has a ton of low end but tends to get a bit muddy at times. Like you I don't have any issues with low end and in fact I enjoy the even response I'm getting. I'm not versed enough to opine on the Neo / Ceramic debate except that my back sure likes the Neo's! Variety makes the World go round. It's nice to have such choices.  Pete | ||
| rustyg61
Senior Member Username: rustyg61 Post Number: 1752 Registered: 2-2011 |
Pete, I'm sure people have different definitions of what flat is, & I'm certainly no expert, I just know how incredibly responsive both of my AccuGroove cabinets are to the slightest adjustment. I can get any sound I want out of them & for the first time since I began playing 42 years ago, I finally have the tone I have always wanted. They are so crystal clear that I can actually play at lower volume in my band & still hear what I'm playing. We always talk about the amazing response range of our Alembics, but until you play one through a full range cabinet you are only getting part of the picture. When I first got my Series II Europa I actually thought there was something wrong with the CVQ controls because I couldn't tell much difference in the sound when I turned the knob playing through my Eden cabinets. But now I can hear a difference turning them 1/8 of a turn! It's really nice going from lifting my 95 pound Eden 410 cabinet to my 29 pound Wedgie that sounds MUCH better! :-) | ||
| bigredbass
Senior Member Username: bigredbass Post Number: 2505 Registered: 9-2002 |
Once again: Once you break yourself of buying 'over the counter' bass rigs IF you find your Mesa/Ampeg/Eden/SWR et al somehow lacking, going to pro components reveals a new world. I was fool enough to play thru a 737 Avalon in a store once, and I still remember every second of it: I heard what Rusty hears. Joey | ||
| murray
Advanced Member Username: murray Post Number: 232 Registered: 7-2007 |
This is really good fun. I started the thread about Barefaced v Bergantino and it has ended up as an Accugroove v Bergantino and Neo v Ceramic. I am not complaining, mind, and it does go to show that the quality of gear we all seem to have here will get a good sound anyway. It is down to what we all consider to be 'our'sound. I think this when achieved or nearly achieved gives us that extra comfort in our playing whereas the general public out there listening just hear bass mixed up with usually an over enthusiastically miked up bass drum (No - I am not stating another thread) Take care all. Glynn | ||
| rustyg61
Senior Member Username: rustyg61 Post Number: 1753 Registered: 2-2011 |
Sorry Glynn! Please forgive my enthusiasm for AccuGroove, but it was life changing when I got mine! It was like going from my Jazz Bass to my SCSD! So I sing the praises of their cabinets every chance I get! | ||
| rv_bass
Junior Username: rv_bass Post Number: 29 Registered: 8-2014 |
I agree with Rusty, I recently purchased a Wedgie (now an El Whappo on order), and the difference between Accugroove and my previous gear was immediately noticeable. I've gotten rid of all of my other cabs and really like the Accugroove cabs. | ||
| murray
Advanced Member Username: murray Post Number: 233 Registered: 7-2007 |
From what I can find out Accugroove are yet to get dealers in the UK but are working on it so something to look forward to. I have to say Rusty that I had a similar life changing moment when I discovered the GenzBenz Streamliner after years of upping and downing with Trace Elliot 12 band graphic equalizer sliders and still not getting the sound I wanted. Also MarkBass didn't do it for me. Glynn | ||
| flpete1uw
Senior Member Username: flpete1uw Post Number: 588 Registered: 11-2011 |
Funny how the Barefaced hasn't been mentioned. Doooooh, ducking for cover! | ||
| rustyg61
Senior Member Username: rustyg61 Post Number: 1754 Registered: 2-2011 |
Glynn, AccuGroove mostly sells directly to the customer. I think they only have a couple of dealers here in the US. If you are interested call Mark Wright & he will build one for you. | ||
| edwin
Senior Member Username: edwin Post Number: 2140 Registered: 5-2002 |
I just replaced my studio monitors with a Bag End setup (MM-8s plus a double 10 sub with the Infra processor, all powered by Adcom). It's pretty awesome. I have to say that we have an embarrassment of riches when it comes to bass gear these days. | ||
| sonicus
Senior Member Username: sonicus Post Number: 4618 Registered: 5-2009 |
Edwin , That is interesting . What were your previous studio monitors? When I was at Wally Heider Studios / @ 245 Hyde St. in San Francisco we had ALTEC 604's powered by McIntosh 275 's , that was in 1975. Studio Monitor Technology has changed for the better over the last multible decades. Coming from a Dinosaur from the audio world that is a GOOD progressive statement ! . In my current Setup I use JBL 4411's with low freqency BI amped GAUSS 4580's in infinate baffle cabs . Powered by Two Yamaha P-2200's . I still use a Crown VFX2A active cross over .When I include them I run My RTA to make it REAL . I am sure your BAG ENDS are Awesome , but mine are old and home brewed. Like homemade Viking Barley Wine from 90OAD , LOL ! The Gauss 4580's add a bit of coloaration but are usefull when monitoring bass DI at higher SPL. Wolf now AKA Crusty old Dragon ! LOL ! | ||
| bassilisk
Intermediate Member Username: bassilisk Post Number: 137 Registered: 4-2009 |
I'd like to throw one more item into this mix. I was going to get a Berg 112 and then, after a lot of research, decided to take a shot with this. I purchased a Baer ML-112 without ever hearing one and have no regrets. I use it for smaller rooms and clubs where it performs flawlessly. Huge bottom with very smooth transition between the mids and highs - great definition throughout. Plus it only weighs 36 lbs. I've used it with a Thunderfunk 550B, GK800RB and Mesa M-Pulse 600 with excellent results from each. My MK Std sounds wonderful, as do all the rest. Ultimately I'll get another and get rid of my Aguilar GS-212, adding it as necessary. Can't say enough about it. It is only available direct. Look up reviews - TB has a huge thread on them. http://www.baeramps.com/cabs.html |
