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davehouck
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Post Number: 2700
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:17 am:   Edit Post

Recently there has been an ad on tv in the US. The ad is a public relations marketing spot for the oil and gas industry. The soundtrack for the ad is The Youngbloods recording of "Get Together", the sixties counter-culture anthem written by Dino Valenti. I did a little research and found that Valenti sold the rights to the song back in the sixties; but I don't know who owns the rights now. To me, it somehow seems wrong that this symbol of the counter culture is being used as a marketing tool for the oil and gas industry. Where do I sign up to protest??
kmh364
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Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1408
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:30 am:   Edit Post

I agree, those greedy b*stards have got some b*lls for using that tune! I'm reminded of how one-sided they are every week as I dump nearly $100 into my tank for each fill-up of black gold, I mean, #2 Diesel! It costs 1/3 of the price (that's 2/3 less) to refine, but it's still $.30-$0.50 MORE than a gallon of petrol!!!

Sign me up as well!
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2702
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post

The number of protesters has doubled from one to two in only 13 minutes! We're on a roll!
j_gary
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Username: j_gary

Post Number: 154
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 12:38 pm:   Edit Post

I hear you Dave. When you think of the spirit songs like "Get Together" were composed under, that would be the 60's, and how they are being used, it's very sad indeed. I understand the effort to reach people using music, but I wonder if it may backfire. If your company is trying to break down some barriers, or open new doors with the intent to improve the human condition, then fine. In this case as in many others, Beatle & Led Zep music, I doubt that has occurred.

That being said, those who know and understand the essence of meaningful songs, will look to the people misusing them with contempt. Hardly the effect any PR type would hope for....I think?

Anyway Dave, I'm in!
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2705
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 12:50 pm:   Edit Post

Our numbers have tripled in only an hour and twenty-one minutes!
keith_h
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Username: keith_h

Post Number: 270
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 1:04 pm:   Edit Post

I agree whole heartedly and would like to add Nike who started it all with Revolution (or maybe my ire should be directed at Mr. Jackson who approved the use).

Dave,
You had me confused at first when I saw the title of "Get Together". I assumed you were trying to arrange a NC Alembic get together.

Keith
811952
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Username: 811952

Post Number: 587
Registered: 10-2003
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 1:29 pm:   Edit Post

Make me number 5.
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2707
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 1:42 pm:   Edit Post

The thought occurred to me, we could actually set something up at petitiononline.com or one of the similar sites. After all, there are five of us now!

Keith; I heard today that Alembic might be shipping my Essence out this week. As I recall, one of the NC members wanted to try it out.
gare
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Username: gare

Post Number: 294
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:35 pm:   Edit Post

Number 6 !

I hate hearing some of my favorite tunes that I grew up with blaring from the tv selling underwear and the like !
Isn't there something in the bible or the constitution about that ?

Gare the radical..POWER TO...nevermind
lbpesq
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Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 781
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 3:48 pm:   Edit Post

Sign me up, Dave!! At least we haven't been exposed to any Ford or Chevy pick up commercials with "Truckin'" playing in the backgound. Hats off to the Good Old Grateful Dead for steering clear of the omnipresent corporate malignancy that has infected most corners of this planet.

Bill, tgo
bigredbass
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Username: bigredbass

Post Number: 506
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 5:00 pm:   Edit Post

If I thought I was gonna live long enough to hear Zeppelin used as backing music for Cadillac commercials, I'd have just died years ago.

And you know the hell of it? While it's very possible that the rights to the Youngbloods' tune is not owned by them anymore, I know for sure that Page owns ALL the rights to Zeppellin's catalogue. Surely he can't need the money. Or maybe he nailed them good and that's why GM is in such rough financial straits!

J o e y
beelee
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Username: beelee

Post Number: 142
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 5:10 pm:   Edit Post

I'm in as well, #9

I couldn't agree more with all of you......

(Message edited by beelee on December 05, 2005)
dadabass2001
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Username: dadabass2001

Post Number: 491
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 5:16 pm:   Edit Post

Let's not forget "Catch the Wind" by Dylan getting commercial usage as well. And "Dust In The Wind" to sell SUVs?

Sometimes I just don't get it...

Mike
dannobasso
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Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 316
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 6:11 pm:   Edit Post

If you could make money by doing nothing and promoting your music at the same time, would you do it? I would. Music is a product. Gas is a product. Alembics are a product. I never understood what all the fuss was over musicians becoming successful. Sting got paid and pushed his album sales over the top with his Jaguar ad. Members of the boards here go on ad nauseum about instruments, strings, effects, cases, amps, cabs etc. They are all things for sale and we all routinely tout what we like to others and argue the passions of our souls. In effect we are helping to sell products using this forum. We applaud the purchases of others and boast about our acquisitions. When is enough money too much money? Makes those custom series 2's easier to attain no?
Well, make your protest count and boycott where you must.
"I saw a Deadhead sticker on a Cadillac" comes to mind at the moment.
Don't illegally download music. Then the artist won't have to sell it to secure their retirement.
Sorry for the rant if it appears ascerbic. I teach emotionally disturbed teens and sometimes it gets me cranky.

(Message edited by dannobasso on December 05, 2005)
dela217
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Username: dela217

Post Number: 558
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Monday, December 05, 2005 - 7:39 pm:   Edit Post

Danno - That's funny! I get cranky too about that sort of stuff. It's just that us old farts like to think that the music mattered. It really did at one time. At least it did to us. Count me in on the protest too! I would think that anyone over the age of 45 or so would feel this way. If you don't remember this song playing on the radio the first time around, then you wouldn't get it anyway. Not that that's a bad thing, it's just that you missed out on some good stuff.
bracheen
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Username: bracheen

Post Number: 903
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 3:29 am:   Edit Post

I don't mind the music used for commercials in principle. Sometimes I wonder about the relevance of a particular song/product combination. For example the recent ebay commercial playing Daydream Believer in the background. BTW who remembers the Air Force commercial in the 70s that used Ginger Baker's Toad?

An Alembic meeting in NC? Sign me on!

Sam

(Message edited by bracheen on December 06, 2005)
mpisanek
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Username: mpisanek

Post Number: 113
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 6:15 am:   Edit Post

It's like an anarchy club! It just doesn't make sense. I mean, I heard a symphony orchestra playing Queen for Gods' sake! Music makes a statement. That statement should never change. Most of the time I think it doesn't really change, only the interpretation changes, or maybe it's just that the ad people feel that if they use a song people loved once, they might be inclined to buy their products!!!

I'll sign up for the protest, but NC is way too far from Edinburgh!
gare
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Username: gare

Post Number: 295
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 6:16 am:   Edit Post

"When is enough money too much money?"

Good point Danno..I was a little shocked to see Paul McCartney in a Fidelity commerical.

Is there nothing sacred in this world ?
I think the 1st one to set me off was the Nike commercial using Revolution...ahhhhhhh

I'm gonna start making up the protest signs when I get home tonite.

Gare
gare
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Username: gare

Post Number: 296
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 6:19 am:   Edit Post

Michael..maybe we could setup a video link !

G
mpisanek
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Username: mpisanek

Post Number: 114
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 6:28 am:   Edit Post

Thanks be that the advertisers over here don't have enough money to corrupt quite as many things as they do in the US.

It's a real eye-opener whenever I go home to Texas and see what the ads are on TV! The last time I was home, about 2 years ago, they were running all of the drug advertisements with the disclaimers that were sometimes longer than the actual advertisement!

ichat would be great for any meeting, no matter where it is!
j_gary
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Username: j_gary

Post Number: 155
Registered: 6-2005
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 10:38 am:   Edit Post

Danno, love a good rant, keep it up. A thought if I may. If I were Brian Wilson, I'd sell "409" to GM in a minute. If I'm Eric Clapton, nobody has enough money to associate " Tears In Heaven " with tennis shoes or hemorrhoid creams.

I think Wierd Al could come up with an appropriate tear/hemorrhoid song. Hell, I could.

Sad day when I heard "Revolution" selling shoes. It's like when I found out there was no Santa last year. What, Jacko couldn't sell "Beat It" to the abstinence crowd?
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2719
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 1:03 pm:   Edit Post

Ok; here's what I'm thinking at the moment. In the instant case of "Get Together" we don't know who owns the rights; and it would be beneficial if we had that information before we proceed further. So before we call in the TV news crews to cover our demonstration down on the town square, does anyone know how to get the ownership info?

Also, at the moment we don't know the exact name of the oil and gas industry group that's running the ad. It's shown on the ad, so next time someone sees it, post it here.
gare
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Username: gare

Post Number: 298
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 3:07 pm:   Edit Post

Might this help ?

http://www.vh1.com/artists/az/young_jesse_colin/bio.jhtml

According to this, the song was penned by Dino Valenti and Bob Cullen.

Gare
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2720
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 5:23 pm:   Edit Post

Gare; Valenti later sold the rights.
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2721
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 5:53 pm:   Edit Post

I have found this, though I'm not sure what it means (Chet Powers is another name for Dino Valenti):

"Let's Get Together"
Written by Chet Powers
Copyright 1963, Renewed 1991 Irving Music, Inc. (BMI)
Performed by the Youngbloods
Courtesy of The RCA Records Label, A Unit of BMG Music
Under License From BMG Film & TV Music
dannobasso
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Username: dannobasso

Post Number: 317
Registered: 3-2004
Posted on Tuesday, December 06, 2005 - 9:28 pm:   Edit Post

I wish some big conglomerate wanted to use a DOOMTREE song! Then i could order a custom series 2! Instead i have to make due with a used Rouge 5 on Thursday. Perhaps Ortho man-eating plant food? Family plots using our title song Down Below? GE using "The Light" from our cd available at Tower, Virgin, Sam Goody, Best Buy, Amazon.com, ebay etc. We have tshirts, golf shirts, hats, beenies, baby doll shirts and a Xmas single for free download! www.doomtree.com
maybe Sir Paul will help?
Danno
bracheen
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Username: bracheen

Post Number: 904
Registered: 11-2003
Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 3:22 am:   Edit Post

Danno,
"Severed" and John Deere would be a perfect match!

Sam
dela217
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Username: dela217

Post Number: 559
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Wednesday, December 07, 2005 - 6:29 am:   Edit Post

Danno - You need to break into comedy!

Thanks,
Michael

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