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flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 870
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 9:06 am:   Edit Post

there are some messages from phil.
there are some pretty stupid and rude people out there and phil has addressed some comments made in the discussion area
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 2960
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 9:48 am:   Edit Post

Pretty neat; thanks Jeff. And thanks Phil!
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1590
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 11:46 am:   Edit Post

Good for Phil!

And you thought you had it rough here, Dave! LOL!

FWIW, Is it just me, or are Deadheads getting weirder/ruder/etc.? I must be getting old, but I vaguely remember when, for the most part, Deadheads of all shapes/sizes pretty much got along. Was I that high, or am I in the ballpark on this one? Phil's Phans wanna know! LOL!
tom_z
Advanced Member
Username: tom_z

Post Number: 263
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 05, 2006 - 1:08 pm:   Edit Post

Kevin - I remember the scene changing over the years, especially after "In the Dark" was released. There was a time you could always fit one more person on the lawn at the Alpine Valley shows, then one day it sold out - I saw fights in the parking lot ... blah blah blah.

I saw the Dead all over the country, from the laid back shows with the older heads in Oakland and San Fran to the intense and exciting shows in the East where the crowd seemed wound a little tighter and rolled a little faster.

It seems that from around the mid-eighties on, the crowds kept growing, the vending and scalping got bigger and weirder, law enforcement seemed to be more high profile and the scene just became more uncomfortable. Of course, I got older and changed also, and maybe my perception of what's comfortable just changed. I'm sure that those who frequented Dead shows from the sixties and early seventies sensed even more profound changes in the experience.

I'm pretty sure that the "bad crazies" could be found around the Grateful Dead scene (or any band for that matter) at just about any time, but as their fan base grew so did the number of folks on a weird or rude trip. =)

On a positive note - I was expecting a trying time at the Vegoose music festival a couple months back, but the vibe was decidedly friendly and kind. Considering that the music ranged from Phil & Friends to Dave Matthews to Beck to Primus, etc. and the crowd ranged in age from very young to rather senior, I was more than a little surprised. It really took me back to my early Dead-concert-going days.

Tom
glocke
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Username: glocke

Post Number: 94
Registered: 9-2002
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 9:24 am:   Edit Post

I started going to shows in the ealry to mid 80's, prior to the release of In the Dark, and I can say for sure that in the space of those few short years between my first show and the post in the dark years, there was a major change in the atmosphere/scene.
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 874
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 9:45 am:   Edit Post

as phil said in his book
they didnt really start making money until in the dark- so with fame comes the retardos
thank god their studio albums were not cared for my mainstream american youth looking for an excuse to get f'''d up
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1597
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 11:42 am:   Edit Post

Can't we all just get along? LOL!

I'm happy just to have these guys still making music. Threats? Name calling/flaming? Ridiculous caustic criticism? As Phil stated (paraphrasing here), if you want perfection, go elesewhere for your music. Just listen th the d*mn music an enjoy it for what it is...the Dead was seldom perfect in their prime, and they're not gonna be in their old age and various incarnations. Enjoy it while you can...the performers have an expiration date, LOL!

Along a similar vein:

Amazing now that they're all older (the Dead's members), they're worried about where all the money (they've grown accustomed to) is gonna keep coming from? LOL! Even the most bohemian hippie counter-culturalists grow old and have an epiphany about means of support that wasn't so important during the "heady" 60's, LOL!

I was impressed that Phil came to Weir's defense as Bobby was portrayed by the press as a greedy b*st*rd only interested in his retirement cash cow.

Personally, I think that while they can, they should concentrate on making what music they have left in them and stop with the bickering over the dough. They can't help but make money...trying to be greedy after all these years won't increase the coffers IMHO.

Just my $0.02

Cheers,

Kevin
pace
Intermediate Member
Username: pace

Post Number: 198
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Friday, January 06, 2006 - 2:09 pm:   Edit Post

Thats amazing Jeff~ I never thought that Phil would cross that line and even aknowledge the drama on that site!!!! There was a time (01-02) where I was addicted to that board, but things started getting sour the past couple of years.... Does anyone else here post over there?!?
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 881
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 07, 2006 - 10:33 am:   Edit Post

i am not.... and thankfully not a post reader..
i did send a q to the ask phil site....
phil...some personal stuff i am going through and... heres a link to my direwolf bass- he would love to meet you when youre in ny
now if i get an answer.....
oye vey....
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1606
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 6:28 am:   Edit Post

Mike:

Unfortunately, I didn't know of that site's existence until recently, so I've never posted there.

As a matter of fact, I don't post virtually anywhere else but here for the same reasons why Phil stopped the madness at that site: utter disrespect for one another at most other sites. The Alembic site is one of the few places where decorum is the order of the day!

Flax:

Did Phil answer you? If I remember correctly, the Moderator stated that only philzone.com members could ask questions, and that Phil couldn't answer everyone's questions anyway.

Cheers,

Kevin
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 882
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Monday, January 09, 2006 - 9:34 am:   Edit Post

not as yet kev- not expecting one but what the heck
its a reach... there were some personal notes in the email that i was hoping would generate a response even though i am not a member
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 890
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Saturday, January 14, 2006 - 7:41 am:   Edit Post

phil will be releasing 12/10 as a free download
as noted in his site
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 894
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Monday, January 16, 2006 - 1:14 pm:   Edit Post

is now available for download
this is a big brown aka godfadda show
tom_z
Advanced Member
Username: tom_z

Post Number: 273
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 3:24 pm:   Edit Post

Speaking of Big Brown and letters to Phil, I noticed a link on the philzone to these responses to email questions. Among other things Phil discusses his rig, Big Brown, Phil and Friends and Jerry's guitars.

Tom
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 3076
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:22 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks Tom! That was great!!!
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 3077
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 4:24 pm:   Edit Post

Has anyone downloaded or listened to any of the New Year's run; and if so, which show do you like the best?
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 919
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Thursday, January 26, 2006 - 5:54 pm:   Edit Post

i didnt dnld the middle show- not fond of setlist on the whole
depends on what you think of ryan adams and his interpretations of jerry tunes. some say ok some want to kill him...
there are some tasty tidbits in the nye show.
one of the best truckins( with a couple of changes) imho- BUT the sound q is not great- lots of background talking- edited to 2 discs might be enough
i have the 29th and am just about to download
the last free sdbd is real good...
and i would definitely recommend the bimbo;s show
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1678
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 6:10 am:   Edit Post

Tom:

Thanks for the Phil stuff. It was cool and I enjoyed reading it. I bought his book, along with the new book explaining the Dead's lyric's, but I haven't really delved deeply into either yet.

Dave/Flax:

I downloaded the last 6 SBD's from the LAMA, including the two NJPAC shows, one of which I was at. I downloaded the NYE show as well (AUD recording), but haven't had a real chance to listen yet. Phil needs to post a more recent show than beginning of Dec. IMHO. I'm still waiting for another stellar SBD version of "Unbroken Chain" like the one that used to play automatically when you loaded Phil's site.

FWIW, it's poetic that Phil's voice is "less than perfect" and waivers from pitch, much like that of the man he's paying loving tribute to when he sings.
lbpesq
Senior Member
Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 914
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 7:58 am:   Edit Post

Kevin:

You're gonna love Phil's book. The man is obviously very intelligent and very self-aware. One of the finest rock books ever written. Right up there with Dylan's Chronicles. (Another good one is Levon Helm's "This Wheel's on Fire" about the history of The Band).

Bill, tgo
pas
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Username: pas

Post Number: 58
Registered: 3-2003
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 8:43 am:   Edit Post

I read Phil's book too. Actually met him & had him sign it. Nice guy, as was Bob Wier. However, I must say that I got much more out of reading Dennis McNally's, Rock Scully's & Steve Parrish's books than I did Phil's. Phil's book was surprisingly bereft of details & band relationships compared with the others, IMHO.
spose
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Username: spose

Post Number: 91
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 9:32 am:   Edit Post

"I got much more out of reading Dennis McNally's, Rock Scully's & Steve Parrish's books than I did Phil's. Phil's book was surprisingly bereft of details & band relationships compared with the others, IMHO."

ditto.
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 3087
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 9:59 am:   Edit Post

I've read Phil's book and I've read Blair Jackson's book. I liked both a lot.
bassman10096
Senior Member
Username: bassman10096

Post Number: 842
Registered: 7-2003
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 11:56 am:   Edit Post

I read some of the other books before I read Phil's. I'd describe Phil's as missing a ton of "kiss & tell" that the others had - but hey - he has to continue to get along with a lot of the folks central to the story. Plus, I sensed he prefers to leave things private in general.

I'd also agree it missed some of the story telling that was very enjoyable in the others. On the other hand, it seemed to be told in Phil's personal voice. I enjoyed hearing about the way he saw things as they were happening.

None of the books had what each other one had. I enjoyed them all.
flaxattack
Senior Member
Username: flaxattack

Post Number: 927
Registered: 4-2004
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 12:27 pm:   Edit Post

the 29th is a winner
vg sound and ryan sounds excellent
through 1.5 discs so far
lbpesq
Senior Member
Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 917
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, January 27, 2006 - 1:21 pm:   Edit Post

I've also read Parrish, McNally, & Scully. McNally's was definitive, Parrish's book was clearly not ghost written. It was honest and came across as essentially accurate and entertaining. Scully's book contained some inaccuracies, including a description of a concert on Jerry's birthday where, according to Scully, it rained, the band couldn't play because of the electical danger, cancelled, and the audience rioted. Rock must have been on some heavy drugs that day. I was there. It was rainy, but there ends any semblance of reality in Rock's version. The Dead played, no riot ensued.

The thing that I loved about Phil's book was that he seemed more interested in the music itself. The kiss and tell and other historical stuf was only included, to the limited extent it was, where it was needed to put in context what was happening musicially with the band. The other books attempt to tell the history of the Grateful Dead. Phil's focus is more on the history of Grateful Dead music. As a musician, (and as one who loved the Dead but was less loving of the "deadheads", especially from the 80's on), I found Phil's analysis of the music fascinating. Even the name of the book "Searching for the Sound" bears out Phil's concentration on the music itself.

Bill, tgo
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 1682
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Monday, January 30, 2006 - 6:45 am:   Edit Post

The last Dead book I read was that Jerylyn Brandelius Family Album thing. It was a B'day gift when I was still a teen, I think. There was a book before that...The Dead Book or The Book Of the Dead...something like that...that my cousin had that I had read prior to that.

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