| Author | Message | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 870 Registered: 4-2004 |
there are some messages from phil. there are some pretty stupid and rude people out there and phil has addressed some comments made in the discussion area | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 2960 Registered: 5-2002 |
Pretty neat; thanks Jeff. And thanks Phil! | ||
| kmh364
Senior Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 1590 Registered: 9-2003 |
Good for Phil! And you thought you had it rough here, Dave! LOL! FWIW, Is it just me, or are Deadheads getting weirder/ruder/etc.? I must be getting old, but I vaguely remember when, for the most part, Deadheads of all shapes/sizes pretty much got along. Was I that high, or am I in the ballpark on this one? Phil's Phans wanna know! LOL! | ||
| tom_z
Advanced Member Username: tom_z Post Number: 263 Registered: 7-2004 |
Kevin - I remember the scene changing over the years, especially after "In the Dark" was released. There was a time you could always fit one more person on the lawn at the Alpine Valley shows, then one day it sold out - I saw fights in the parking lot ... blah blah blah. I saw the Dead all over the country, from the laid back shows with the older heads in Oakland and San Fran to the intense and exciting shows in the East where the crowd seemed wound a little tighter and rolled a little faster. It seems that from around the mid-eighties on, the crowds kept growing, the vending and scalping got bigger and weirder, law enforcement seemed to be more high profile and the scene just became more uncomfortable. Of course, I got older and changed also, and maybe my perception of what's comfortable just changed. I'm sure that those who frequented Dead shows from the sixties and early seventies sensed even more profound changes in the experience. I'm pretty sure that the "bad crazies" could be found around the Grateful Dead scene (or any band for that matter) at just about any time, but as their fan base grew so did the number of folks on a weird or rude trip. =) On a positive note - I was expecting a trying time at the Vegoose music festival a couple months back, but the vibe was decidedly friendly and kind. Considering that the music ranged from Phil & Friends to Dave Matthews to Beck to Primus, etc. and the crowd ranged in age from very young to rather senior, I was more than a little surprised. It really took me back to my early Dead-concert-going days. Tom | ||
| glocke
Member Username: glocke Post Number: 94 Registered: 9-2002 |
I started going to shows in the ealry to mid 80's, prior to the release of In the Dark, and I can say for sure that in the space of those few short years between my first show and the post in the dark years, there was a major change in the atmosphere/scene. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 874 Registered: 4-2004 |
as phil said in his book they didnt really start making money until in the dark- so with fame comes the retardos thank god their studio albums were not cared for my mainstream american youth looking for an excuse to get f'''d up | ||
| kmh364
Senior Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 1597 Registered: 9-2003 |
Can't we all just get along? LOL! I'm happy just to have these guys still making music. Threats? Name calling/flaming? Ridiculous caustic criticism? As Phil stated (paraphrasing here), if you want perfection, go elesewhere for your music. Just listen th the d*mn music an enjoy it for what it is...the Dead was seldom perfect in their prime, and they're not gonna be in their old age and various incarnations. Enjoy it while you can...the performers have an expiration date, LOL! Along a similar vein: Amazing now that they're all older (the Dead's members), they're worried about where all the money (they've grown accustomed to) is gonna keep coming from? LOL! Even the most bohemian hippie counter-culturalists grow old and have an epiphany about means of support that wasn't so important during the "heady" 60's, LOL! I was impressed that Phil came to Weir's defense as Bobby was portrayed by the press as a greedy b*st*rd only interested in his retirement cash cow. Personally, I think that while they can, they should concentrate on making what music they have left in them and stop with the bickering over the dough. They can't help but make money...trying to be greedy after all these years won't increase the coffers IMHO. Just my $0.02 Cheers, Kevin | ||
| pace
Intermediate Member Username: pace Post Number: 198 Registered: 4-2004 |
Thats amazing Jeff~ I never thought that Phil would cross that line and even aknowledge the drama on that site!!!! There was a time (01-02) where I was addicted to that board, but things started getting sour the past couple of years.... Does anyone else here post over there?!? | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 881 Registered: 4-2004 |
i am not.... and thankfully not a post reader.. i did send a q to the ask phil site.... phil...some personal stuff i am going through and... heres a link to my direwolf bass- he would love to meet you when youre in ny now if i get an answer..... oye vey.... | ||
| kmh364
Senior Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 1606 Registered: 9-2003 |
Mike: Unfortunately, I didn't know of that site's existence until recently, so I've never posted there. As a matter of fact, I don't post virtually anywhere else but here for the same reasons why Phil stopped the madness at that site: utter disrespect for one another at most other sites. The Alembic site is one of the few places where decorum is the order of the day! Flax: Did Phil answer you? If I remember correctly, the Moderator stated that only philzone.com members could ask questions, and that Phil couldn't answer everyone's questions anyway. Cheers, Kevin | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 882 Registered: 4-2004 |
not as yet kev- not expecting one but what the heck its a reach... there were some personal notes in the email that i was hoping would generate a response even though i am not a member | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 890 Registered: 4-2004 |
phil will be releasing 12/10 as a free download as noted in his site | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 894 Registered: 4-2004 |
is now available for download this is a big brown aka godfadda show | ||
| tom_z
Advanced Member Username: tom_z Post Number: 273 Registered: 7-2004 |
Speaking of Big Brown and letters to Phil, I noticed a link on the philzone to these responses to email questions. Among other things Phil discusses his rig, Big Brown, Phil and Friends and Jerry's guitars. Tom | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 3076 Registered: 5-2002 |
Thanks Tom! That was great!!! | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 3077 Registered: 5-2002 |
Has anyone downloaded or listened to any of the New Year's run; and if so, which show do you like the best? | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 919 Registered: 4-2004 |
i didnt dnld the middle show- not fond of setlist on the whole depends on what you think of ryan adams and his interpretations of jerry tunes. some say ok some want to kill him... there are some tasty tidbits in the nye show. one of the best truckins( with a couple of changes) imho- BUT the sound q is not great- lots of background talking- edited to 2 discs might be enough i have the 29th and am just about to download the last free sdbd is real good... and i would definitely recommend the bimbo;s show | ||
| kmh364
Senior Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 1678 Registered: 9-2003 |
Tom: Thanks for the Phil stuff. It was cool and I enjoyed reading it. I bought his book, along with the new book explaining the Dead's lyric's, but I haven't really delved deeply into either yet. Dave/Flax: I downloaded the last 6 SBD's from the LAMA, including the two NJPAC shows, one of which I was at. I downloaded the NYE show as well (AUD recording), but haven't had a real chance to listen yet. Phil needs to post a more recent show than beginning of Dec. IMHO. I'm still waiting for another stellar SBD version of "Unbroken Chain" like the one that used to play automatically when you loaded Phil's site. FWIW, it's poetic that Phil's voice is "less than perfect" and waivers from pitch, much like that of the man he's paying loving tribute to when he sings. | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 914 Registered: 7-2004 |
Kevin: You're gonna love Phil's book. The man is obviously very intelligent and very self-aware. One of the finest rock books ever written. Right up there with Dylan's Chronicles. (Another good one is Levon Helm's "This Wheel's on Fire" about the history of The Band). Bill, tgo | ||
| pas
Member Username: pas Post Number: 58 Registered: 3-2003 |
I read Phil's book too. Actually met him & had him sign it. Nice guy, as was Bob Wier. However, I must say that I got much more out of reading Dennis McNally's, Rock Scully's & Steve Parrish's books than I did Phil's. Phil's book was surprisingly bereft of details & band relationships compared with the others, IMHO. | ||
| spose
Member Username: spose Post Number: 91 Registered: 5-2002 |
"I got much more out of reading Dennis McNally's, Rock Scully's & Steve Parrish's books than I did Phil's. Phil's book was surprisingly bereft of details & band relationships compared with the others, IMHO." ditto. | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 3087 Registered: 5-2002 |
I've read Phil's book and I've read Blair Jackson's book. I liked both a lot. | ||
| bassman10096
Senior Member Username: bassman10096 Post Number: 842 Registered: 7-2003 |
I read some of the other books before I read Phil's. I'd describe Phil's as missing a ton of "kiss & tell" that the others had - but hey - he has to continue to get along with a lot of the folks central to the story. Plus, I sensed he prefers to leave things private in general. I'd also agree it missed some of the story telling that was very enjoyable in the others. On the other hand, it seemed to be told in Phil's personal voice. I enjoyed hearing about the way he saw things as they were happening. None of the books had what each other one had. I enjoyed them all. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 927 Registered: 4-2004 |
the 29th is a winner vg sound and ryan sounds excellent through 1.5 discs so far | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 917 Registered: 7-2004 |
I've also read Parrish, McNally, & Scully. McNally's was definitive, Parrish's book was clearly not ghost written. It was honest and came across as essentially accurate and entertaining. Scully's book contained some inaccuracies, including a description of a concert on Jerry's birthday where, according to Scully, it rained, the band couldn't play because of the electical danger, cancelled, and the audience rioted. Rock must have been on some heavy drugs that day. I was there. It was rainy, but there ends any semblance of reality in Rock's version. The Dead played, no riot ensued. The thing that I loved about Phil's book was that he seemed more interested in the music itself. The kiss and tell and other historical stuf was only included, to the limited extent it was, where it was needed to put in context what was happening musicially with the band. The other books attempt to tell the history of the Grateful Dead. Phil's focus is more on the history of Grateful Dead music. As a musician, (and as one who loved the Dead but was less loving of the "deadheads", especially from the 80's on), I found Phil's analysis of the music fascinating. Even the name of the book "Searching for the Sound" bears out Phil's concentration on the music itself. Bill, tgo | ||
| kmh364
Senior Member Username: kmh364 Post Number: 1682 Registered: 9-2003 |
The last Dead book I read was that Jerylyn Brandelius Family Album thing. It was a B'day gift when I was still a teen, I think. There was a book before that...The Dead Book or The Book Of the Dead...something like that...that my cousin had that I had read prior to that. |
