Post Number: 9
|Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 9:07 pm: |
hey i was wondering if anyone out there knows how to make that kickass growlin sound from a sax. my band trying to cover Bullwinkle by the Revels but our sax player is havin a hard time at it.
Post Number: 107
|Posted on Friday, March 24, 2006 - 10:14 pm: |
First of all, the "growlin" sound you're describing is most readily achieved from a tenor or baritone (or lower) sax -although the same technique works on an alto or higher, but is less likely to come across as a "growl."
Next, the "growl" is to some extent acheived by seeking/playing in a contradictory style: it requires a loose and relaxed -YET focused/tight embouchure; and you have to play forcefully, yet with a measure of lightness/restraint... it can be a little hard to describe.
Try having a little (relatively) more mouthpiece in the mouth, and try playing loud and honky... this will getcha in the right direction... "growlin" is -to some extent- loudness and honkyness refined and better/deliberately controlled.]
At least one other club member plays multiple saxes. I think his name is...? George Wright? He responded to my "Allow me to formally introduce myself" in the "Introductions" thread/topic heading (I think it's in the most recent "archives").
If you were to get his attention or e-mail him, he might have some more meaningful advice.
Post Number: 633
|Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 6:41 am: |
My sax player said that he hums while playing to do this. Sort of makes the sound with his mouth while playing. I don't play sax, but that is what I heard.
Post Number: 80
|Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 8:42 am: |
Or you could do like everyone else these days and sample(steal) it from George Clinton!
Post Number: 85
|Posted on Saturday, March 25, 2006 - 11:01 am: |
I'm the guy Mark's talking about above. The expert on sax growling is John Laughter. Here's what he had to say on SOTW.
In addition, here are some thoughts from an older postings;
I have used the “hum” technique to produce the growl since 1956. Both the growl and the "flutter tongue", were very popular techniques used by sax players in Rock & Roll and R&B music which was hitting the airwaves in the late 50s. For those of us who had joined that local school band, we were asking the band director what this new sound was that we were hearing on the Top 40 hits. Obviously these effects were around long before the 50s and still continue today in many forms of music.
There are apparently one or two other ways to achieve the same results from what I have read on the NET over the years but I have only used the method of humming along with the note that I want to change to a growl tone.
I also suggest that the best way to learn to produce the growl on the sax is to start with just the mouthpiece attached to the neck. Using the entire horn can be a problem at first due to the coordination involved. Play a long note on the neck then starting “humming” a note that is higher or lower than the tone that is coming out of the neck. Some players think in terms of singing falsetto because that is the octave area that you will be in to get above the note that is produced by the neckpiece. Some will sing/hum a lower note. For example, when I play a G above the staff on tenor I find that I usually hum the pitch that is close to D below the G. If you hum the same note that is coming out of the N/P the effect will be cancelled.
You will soon begin to realize that it is taking a lot of air to play and hum at the same time on the neckpiece. This is natural because you will probably open your throat and let too much air out because of your efforts to sing and exhale at the same time. Easier said than done at first! In time you will be able to control the amount of hum and the coordination will become natural. Now put the horn together and see what happens.
Many of us use the growl in the middle and high range, especially from high A above the staff to high F#. I have found that the most effective area for the growl is starting on 2nd space A and up. Once you go below 2nd line G it becomes somewhat garbled.
Now about the “hum.” I have read some articles that suggest that you hum a 3rd above the note being produced on the horn. I can’t hear the note that I am humming due to the stage volume and I have never thought about the “3rd above” concept so I can’t comment on it. I hum in range that is below the notes being played and it works for me. Hopefully you will get more advice from other players. There is always more than one way to approach certain effects.