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crazykiwi
Junior
Username: crazykiwi
Post Number: 34
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 3:34 pm: |  |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfDE-ZvfOwU
Anyone seen this track yet?
Isolated audio track of bassist John Entwistle playing "Won't Get Fooled Again", filmed for The Kids Are Alright documentary, Shepperaton Studios, London 1978.
No mistaking the sound of that bass!  |
fc_spoiler
Member
Username: fc_spoiler
Post Number: 59
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 4:29 pm: | |
It's a feature on the special edition double DVD of The Kids Are Alright.
Baba O'Riley is also featured as Isolated track.
On the DVD you can choose between camera angles and switch audio tracks to hear the whole band or the Isolated bass tracks
Here's a link:
The kids are alright |
echo008
Intermediate Member
Username: echo008
Post Number: 193
Registered: 2-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 4:36 pm: | |
Wow that was amazing... great to hear and see him play. His series sounds killer!!!
Thanks
- Tom |
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck
Post Number: 4033
Registered: 5-2002
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 5:13 pm: | |
Good balance, you can hear the bass! |
811952
Senior Member
Username: 811952
Post Number: 758
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Tuesday, July 04, 2006 - 6:06 pm: | |
THAT is the sound! Thanks for posting. Great stuff. |
jacko
Senior Member
Username: jacko
Post Number: 711
Registered: 10-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 3:38 am: | |
It's a superb bit of filming. Infact, I can't find anything to complain about on the whole of the special edition dvds ;-)
Now for the heresy. One of our tv channels the other night played the kids are alright followed by a showing of 'the who live in boston' which I think is also available on DVD. It's not one I'll be shopping for. Without J.E. or keith moon, the band sounded very lacklustre. As good as pino palladino is, when I shut my eyes there was no way on earth I could imagine it was john playing. There just didn't seem to be any energy in the entire nights performance. Maybe townsend should have folded the band when moon died like Zeppelin did. Then we'd have a superb legacy instead of what seems to me to be the last 2 members flogging a dead horse.
Graeme |
fc_spoiler
Member
Username: fc_spoiler
Post Number: 60
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 4:19 am: | |
I would suggest a restart as The Detours, but who am I to criticize the decision of these rock icons...
I totaly forgot to mention this is a great video...
The sound is stunning and what about those lines?
!!!THUNDERFINGERS!!!
Cheers!
F.C. |
adriaan
Senior Member
Username: adriaan
Post Number: 957
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 4:49 am: | |
To the defense of PT, he is coming up with new material for the band - supposedly an entirely new rock opera. Heard this in a BBC feature on the recent "Live in Leeds" re-enactment.
I wonder how Norman Watt-Roy would have fitted in, instead of Pino. |
811952
Senior Member
Username: 811952
Post Number: 759
Registered: 10-2003
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 5:47 am: | |
Maybe they could go by "The Ho" now that JE is gone?!? Seriously, Pino is incredible but it's got to be a different band altogether now that both JE and KM have *left the band.* They could have at least gotten somebody who (no pun intended) is more of a power player than a melodic player, imho...
John |
dibolosi
Junior
Username: dibolosi
Post Number: 39
Registered: 1-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 4:41 pm: | |
The reason I bought a bass was because of J.E. The reason I bought an Alembic is J.E. played one |
bsee
Senior Member
Username: bsee
Post Number: 1220
Registered: 3-2004
| | Posted on Wednesday, July 05, 2006 - 4:52 pm: | |
A fine reason to own one, but I continue to play Alembic basses only because they are the best. |
crazykiwi
Junior
Username: crazykiwi
Post Number: 35
Registered: 10-2005
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 4:10 am: | |
Its a great extra to have. DVD's in the UK aren't generally as cheap as they are in the US and often extras are dropped to make room for additional European languages. I wouldn't mind paying some of the inflated costs of DVD's here in the UK if I knew this kind of value would be on them.
Imagine having the isolated bass line for a Tower of Power, James Brown or Dream Theatre DVD? :D
(Message edited by crazykiwi on July 07, 2006) |
fc_spoiler
Member
Username: fc_spoiler
Post Number: 73
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 4:52 am: | |
I would love to hear the I.B.T. of Metallica's Master of Puppets album.
I think there's a downside though...
Don't get me wrong, I love this as a gadget but
I think you will lose some of the "Magic" in the music. The magic is being created by the musicians and the producer(s)
Imagine buying a mix it yourself music DVD in the future...
btw: I've paid EUR 22;- for the The Kids Are Alright DVD and I think it's worth every hard earned penny!
Cheers!
F.C. |
dadabass2001
Senior Member
Username: dadabass2001
Post Number: 616
Registered: 6-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 5:10 am: | |
I thought both Peter Gabriel and Todd Rundgren worked on DVD releases with "mix-it yourself" tracks? I remember reading some hype about this 5or 6 years ago.
Mike |
spliffy
Member
Username: spliffy
Post Number: 90
Registered: 3-2003
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 5:23 am: | |
I wish more bands would give that option on their DVDs! I would buy them in a heart beat. Of course I imagine not everyone wants to have their fans watch them make mistakes on stage! |
valvil
Moderator
Username: valvil
Post Number: 920
Registered: 7-2002
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 3:32 pm: | |
I think there's a cover band already named The Ho...my friend played on the same bill with them.
In regards to the Kids are Alright bonus tracks, please note how you can hear the effects of the low action he played with. When isolated, you can hear a bit of fret buzzing and string noise here and there. When the full band is playing you don't hear it.
Valentino |
fc_spoiler
Member
Username: fc_spoiler
Post Number: 79
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Friday, July 07, 2006 - 5:53 pm: | |
I think what you hear on the isolated track is the DI, in the Full band mix the bass could have been adjusted I guess? |
fc_spoiler
Member
Username: fc_spoiler
Post Number: 80
Registered: 5-2006
| | Posted on Saturday, July 08, 2006 - 11:41 am: | |
I found this on Entwistle's strings and action :
Unlike the vast majority of bassists, John has his strings (Rotosounds) changed before every concert in order to attain maximum crispness. The task is another of Alan Rogan’s responsibilities. Entwistle says, “You don’t get that initial twang if you use the strings again. You can always turn up your treble control to get it like the day before, but then you end up getting a lot of whistle.” Entwistle’s action is probably the lowest of any modern electric bass player. As John laughs, “I like my strings on the *other* side of the frets.”
The Who’s bassist has a huge collection of vintage instruments, though all of his road basses are currently Alembics. His newest ones are a matched set of three, constructed to be as identical as possible. About two years ago, while one of the “Fenderbirds” was being repaired, John happened to pick up a stock Alembic for a rehearsal. He liked it so much that he ordered several — unmodified except for their extremely low actions. Alembic president Rick Turner recalls, “John then inquired as to the possibility of our doing some Explorer copies. I kind of resisted, because I’m not usually into doing copies of stuff, but then I said — what the hell; might be interesting — so we went ahead.”
The Explorer-shaped Alembics have necks and bodies of birdseye maple and walnut. The seven-piece laminate necks are long-scale. Each instrument has two master volume controls with a selector switch so that John can preset two levels and then switch back and forth. The electronics are otherwise stock Alembic circuitry: two pickups that are medium impedance and gain-adjustable, internal preamp, and a dummy pickup for hum cancellation; the tone controls are active low-pass filters. The instrument attaches to the cable through a 5-pin connector and may be sent to an Alembic IN-2 input module that distributes the signal to any of various components — PA, amp, recording console, etc. Turner adds that the Alembic recently sent John another bass, a new model with a medium scale graphite neck, and an ebony body with a Bigsby vibrato tailpiece.
From: Guitar Player November, 1977
I found it here
(Message edited by fc_spoiler on July 08, 2006) |