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paulman
Intermediate Member
Username: paulman

Post Number: 191
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Wednesday, February 21, 2007 - 1:27 pm:   Edit Post

For years I have removed the reverb tank from every guitar amp I ever had. I always use a processor and as a result, never noticed much difference. This was before I got my Further. After I got my Further I pretty much used the same exact setup, but the Processor is in the Further trs loop.

I've been goofing around in a studio with my Further, and the guy has a nice Fender amp. I flipped off the effects, and the gorgeous Further tone came through. But there was something extra, sweeter. I finally realized that all this time, I have been missing reverb on the straight Further sounds.

Has anyone else had this experience? I went back and started to listen to my old GD DVD's, and CD's and Jerry always has reverb on. We all know Jerry loved the old Fender Heads.

I am interested in knowing if the Reverb tank is part of the Twin Preamp out on Jerry's heads, or was it added later in processing for PA? I've read many articles about how Jerry loved the Twin sound, was that why?

Once again, Further pushed me into another line of thought.
paulman
Intermediate Member
Username: paulman

Post Number: 195
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 10:20 am:   Edit Post

Oh, and if anyone has any suggestions for a reverb unit I can toss in the F-1X effects loop (in the end chain between Further and amp) it would be appreciated. Thanks a bunch :-)
alembic_doctor
Intermediate Member
Username: alembic_doctor

Post Number: 180
Registered: 8-2002
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 10:52 am:   Edit Post

I'm hawkin' my wares again here.

I recommend the TC Electronic M-OneXL @ @399.99. It has some great reverbs and some other fx as well.

Now, If you're like me, and you are a pro audio snob: Then I recommend the Lexicon PCM81 @1999.99

There are others in between. I like to use the reverb to get a nice rich upright-bowed sound. I curently use an old PCM60 from Lexicon.
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 2072
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post

http://www.dozin.com/jers/rig.html#

http://dozin.com/jers/90srig/90s.html

I'd have to consult the new Blair Jackson book, but I don't think Jerry used the Accutronix spring tanks from the Twin's he used as chassis-only for his rig. It's possible additional reverb was added at the board, but knowing how the Dead liked to control their own sounds and stage mix (Jerry in particular was constantly looking to improve his sound), I assume they didn't mess with his tone too much. Ron Wickersham had the same basic Fender epiphany (although he used a slightly different amp architecture) many moons ago, hence the original F-2B.

Despite all the gear changes, I still dig Jerry's Europe '72 sound the best...modded Graham Nash "alligator" Strat and all.

Cheers,

Kevin
kmh364
Senior Member
Username: kmh364

Post Number: 2073
Registered: 9-2003
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 11:21 am:   Edit Post

FWIW, having owned a Silverface Twin since '82, I too love the tone that "substandard" ultralinear transformer-based circuit makes for CLEAN stuff ONLY, especially on the reverb input ("vibrato"). The master volume circuit, coupled with the horribly tinny Pyle-sourced OEM 12's does not a palpable distortion make (yes it does distort, but it ain't musical IMHO). And yes, I'm a F-2B user as well, although I have only used it for my Alembic bass rig and not for guitar amplification.

My take is that Jerry had the same attitude as David Gilmour did...find a clean, loud, high-headroom amplification source and then dirty it up to your heart's content with effects.
paulman
Intermediate Member
Username: paulman

Post Number: 196
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 1:53 pm:   Edit Post

Thanks guys! I've been following the technical specs of Jer's rig for quite some time, even before Dozin (that is a fantastic site) I had been buying every guitar mag, David Gans Book,et c etc referencing Jerry's setup. I have read the Jackson book many times and it's a wonderful addition to the reference material. However the reverb portion of Jer's rig is not really referenced, I assume becuase only a nutty gear head would even think about it.

Looks like it's time to pull out the old R&D budget and get to work.

As Mickey quoted "Lay it down dirty, play it back clean". My "projector" is a Bose Ps-1 so clean is not an issue :-)

And I must say, I don't want to play like Jerry (nor could I) but I would like that kind of clarity and tone.
Thanks again!
paulman
Intermediate Member
Username: paulman

Post Number: 197
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Thursday, February 22, 2007 - 1:57 pm:   Edit Post

Oh Kev, I know what you mean! the 72-74 era is my fave. Those brown guitar notes send me every time. I don't mean poopy, I mean creamy tasty notes that make me go ahhhhhhhhhhh and zone far away.
elwoodblue
Intermediate Member
Username: elwoodblue

Post Number: 116
Registered: 6-2002
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 1:07 am:   Edit Post

I'm liking my lexicon mx-400(quad)...
still doesn't come close to my Swart amplifier onboard reverb...(and it goes to 11).
tom_z
Senior Member
Username: tom_z

Post Number: 498
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 11:08 am:   Edit Post

Roger - Lately I've really been liking the sound of my Lexicon LXP-1. They're out of production but you can pick one up on ebay for around $100. The LXP-1 is a half-rack unit designed primarily for studio use. The one I have has been modified for live performance use by Audio Upgrades in Van Nuys, CA. I think the current cost for the upgrade is $150. So, for less than $300 you can get a pretty awesome little reverb unit.

You can put it in your effects loop or run it in front of your amp. I've recently been using my LXP-1 to run in stereo. Skylark > Mutron III > LXP-1 stereo-out to a Mesa Lonestar and a 1968 Fender Bandmaster. Once I get everything dialed in this setup sounds glorious. It is similar to how Steve Kimock runs his gear and if you've ever heard him live you know his tone is spectacular. Here's a little sample of Kimock with LXP-1 and Mutron so you can get an idea.

Peace
Tom
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 4796
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, February 23, 2007 - 1:50 pm:   Edit Post

Nice little sample Tom, thanks!!
paulman
Advanced Member
Username: paulman

Post Number: 205
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:22 am:   Edit Post

I love the sounds of the MuTron, I have a Qtron which comes close.

Thanks for the clip, and all of the suggestions. Drummer's going to have her baby any day now :D
hieronymous
Intermediate Member
Username: hieronymous

Post Number: 114
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Tuesday, February 27, 2007 - 10:22 pm:   Edit Post

Pretty unrelated, but the only reverb I have is the one built-in to the Roland Space Echo (I've got an RE-201). It really colors the sound, though - so much that I sometimes wonder what the heck it's doing to the sound! But before I realized how much it colored the sound, I used it a lot, pushing the gain so that the needle was in the red a lot of the time, so I guess I liked the sound. Good thing I play bass - I can always split the signal and keep the lows clean - or as clean as it gets through an F2-B with the bass boosted and the volume fairly cranked!

space echo

Sorry for the ramble...
paulman
Advanced Member
Username: paulman

Post Number: 207
Registered: 2-2005
Posted on Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 9:42 am:   Edit Post

That unit looks so cool. I saw Back to the Future again over the weekend, and those knobs are reminiscient of the "big" speaker/amp in the movie. I love the retro knob/panel look.

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