| Author | Message | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1492 Registered: 4-2004 |
guys time for me to move up on my equipment i already have the alembic preamp i could use some dealers in the area to spec out speakers and amps i am looking at dr bass cabs for a custom order as i like their 12,15 and horn cab if anyone has their stuff please let me know how you like it thanks | ||
| keurosix
Intermediate Member Username: keurosix Post Number: 181 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hey Jeff, Take a run to G-Guitars. They have a lot of high end stuff. I am excited about the accugroove cabs. Check out the website. Kris | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1583 Registered: 3-2004 |
I thought G Guitars was seriously "boutique-y" the two times I stopped in there. I'm not sure what alternatives there are since Daddy's, Sam Ash and Guitar Center have carved up most of the area between them. If you'd like a look at the Schroeder cab line, there's a dealer in NE CT with good prices but I doubt he stocks anything. I am using a cab with a baffled 12 and two front firing 10s, all neo magnets. The thing cuts like crazy so you can hear yourself and be heard, is all the volume one could want, is rated for 1KW @ 4 ohms, and weighs only a hair over 50 lbs. Check out the website at www.schroedercabinets.com if you're interested. I think Beaver is dealing these as well. There are often power amps on eBay, talkbass and Craigslist. It probably depends on if you're looking for the ultimate bass power amp, or very good and portable. The PLX stuff is often available on the used market as is the occasional CA6 or CA9. All the recommendations I have seen point to the former or a Stewart World 2.1 for lightweight power or the latter for heavy but awesome. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1497 Registered: 4-2004 |
thanks am not playing big gigs yet. am sitting with a fender rumble 15 and a nemesis 2x10 that i would love to sell question are 2x12s better than a 1x15? for fat bottom i like the look of drbasscabs systems and they dont seem outragously priced www.drbasscabs.com | ||
| 2400wattman
Advanced Member Username: 2400wattman Post Number: 357 Registered: 11-2005 |
Flax, I believe your low end would be substantially fatter and if you use dual 12's your low end would be more focused and or tighter, especially w/ the low B. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1500 Registered: 4-2004 |
thanks am looking at acme-glock-dr bass acme makes theirs with 2x10 or 4x10 supposedly with super clean and deep bottom i remember val mentioned them in a previous thread | ||
| keurosix
Intermediate Member Username: keurosix Post Number: 183 Registered: 10-2005 |
Hi Jeff, Do you need low end support for a low B string? If so, the DR RX115 cab is the only one that goes down there, but only to 35hz. A low B is really at 32 hz, but the 15 cab should reproduce it. Can't beat their prices, wow! Kris | ||
| 2400wattman
Advanced Member Username: 2400wattman Post Number: 359 Registered: 11-2005 |
A friend of mine has two Acme 4x10's and they sound incredible! If I did'nt have two SVT's I would get a quartet of these cabs. I loved the solid looking construction and they will PUMMEL all of the "Big Guys" stuff for way less. No, they're not exactly cheap but it is a small company that designs their own gear, builds everything themselves,..........is this sounding familiar? Also, while I was at Will Gunn's shop I was able to try out basses through his two Acme 1x10's(no horn or midrange speaker, gives you the SVT type of response in a small package) powered by a Walter Woods amp! Wow!! The amp was set flat and all of the tone of those basses came through. I could hear each one's subtle and obvious differences. This is great gear that let's the basses sound come through...effectively. Check'em out!! | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 230 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hi Flax, The guitar player in my band uses a Mesa-Boogie Mark II head into a Mesa 2x12 cabinet. Our keyboard player plays into a Roland KC-550. I play an Eden WT-550 head into an Acme Low B2. I have NO problem keeping up with those guys and the low end out of that cabinet is to die for. I'm pumping a Mark King Deluxe 5 string into that system. I'm a happy camper. I also have a Dr. Bass Cabs 2x12: 2-12" Neos, 1-6" mid and a tweeter. It's a nice cabinet but I wouldn't use it alone, it would need something to shore up the bottom end. It's a bit brittle compared to the high end on the Acme, also. Both "problems" can be worked around and I recall that Mark was very good to work with when placing an order. Good luck and I hope this helps, Reid | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 231 Registered: 6-2002 |
Oh, one other thing about that system: I can throw the amp and cabinet, and a bass into the backseat of my old '89 Camaro, and carry a passenger to a gig. Loud, good sounding AND portable. Good luck, I gotta go fire up the grill for some burgers and corn on the cob! I'm thinking a Merlot will go well with this! Reid | ||
| lothartu
Advanced Member Username: lothartu Post Number: 227 Registered: 8-2003 |
"question are 2x12s better than a 1x15? for fat bottom" It depends, but one way to look at it is from the point of view of speaker surface area. So the idea is that the more "speaker" there is which is moving then the better. Pi * (radius^2) = Area (1x15" speaker) 3.14 * (15^2) = 706.5 (2x12" speaker) (3.14 * (12^2)) * 2 = 904.32 So a 2x12" has more speaker surface area than a 1x15". But does that mean that a 2x12" is "better" at producing bottom? If they could somehow be put in equivalent cabinets then the answer is yes. But I think the real answer is "all things being equal it will come down to the design of the cabinet". All that being said I used to use an Aguilar 1x12 which I really liked but I switched to an Acme Low B2 (which is a 2x10"). You have to have enough power to really push the Low B2 correctly but when you do... WOW! I am very glad that I switched even though I was not unhappy with the Aguilar cabinet at all. The only other cabinet that I could imagine getting in the future would be another Acme Low B2. - Jim | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1502 Registered: 4-2004 |
i am gonna take a harder look i am not quite sure i need the low b or regular line. thanks all | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1503 Registered: 4-2004 |
am only playing small clubs right now | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 417 Registered: 11-2004 |
Flax- I've never played them myself, but I've heard nothing but good things about Accugroove cabs. Paul (Mele_Aloha) just ordered an assortment of them and I'm sure he could tell you more. Also- I've read lots of good reviews about the new horns that the Schroeder cabs have. Lots of people (myself included), didn't care for the old horns. I thought they were kind of shrill and brittle. I haven't played the new Schroeders, but people who have played the new cabs are raving about the new horns. Sorry- just thought I'd muddy the water a bit. =) | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 544 Registered: 3-2004 |
I have low b2 and b4. They are great for the money and not too heavy. I prefer to use epi ul212 and 310. i use a f1x-sf2-plx3402 to drive it. The acme also has a mid driver that you can dial in. Van gelder music in monroe ny has great best offer prices on ebay for epi ea and genz benz. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1505 Registered: 4-2004 |
somehow danno i think you and have different sounds. thaks | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 2385 Registered: 7-2004 |
Flax: You might want to give Tim at earcandy cabs a call. He's very nice and knows a great deal about cabs. I LOVE the 2x12 custom he did for me. Bill, tgo | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1508 Registered: 4-2004 |
i good ole friend of mine swears by the acme b2 ok so whats the deal with ohms? i skipped electrical shop | ||
| dnburgess
Senior Member Username: dnburgess Post Number: 507 Registered: 1-2003 |
2400wattman said: "Also, while I was at Will Gunn's shop I was able to try out basses through his two Acme 1x10's(no horn or midrange speaker, gives you the SVT type of response in a small package)" Just to clarify - the Acme B1 has 1x10"woofer; 1x5" mid; and 1x1" tweet. The mid and the tweet are the same as used in the B2 and B4 - each has its own attenuator, so can be dialed out if desired. Acme also makes "sub" versions of the B2 and B4 which are the same as the B2 and B4 but without the mid and tweet. | ||
| dnburgess
Senior Member Username: dnburgess Post Number: 508 Registered: 1-2003 |
When looking for speaker lines for Green Square Music to carry we selected Acme, Accugroove and Schroeder. Speaker design is very much "the art of the compromise" (i.e. its impossible to be all things to all people) and we feel these three lines cover all bases (and basses). Also these companies are IMHO owned and run by passionate individuals with great integrity. | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 419 Registered: 11-2004 |
David, Can you comment on the new Schroeder cabs? I've read elsewhere that the new horns/tweeters are a little smoother and warmer than the original cabs. I'd love to hear your opinion. Toby | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1588 Registered: 3-2004 |
Flax, ohms are important when you're combining multiple speaker cabs and for power amp efficiency. Almost all bass cabs will be either four or eight ohms. It's mostly a matter of matching things up. Looking at the stats on my PLX2402 power amp, it's 700 watts per side stereo into 4 ohms or 425 per side stereo into 8 ohms. It certainly seems like a 4 ohm speaker cab gets me more power out of the amp. I'm sure that if you do a search, you'll find deep technical discussions on ohms. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1589 Registered: 3-2004 |
Toby, I own an original Schroeder 1212 and a more recent 21012 Light. I thought the 1212 had great punch and bottom. With good pre/power, it reminded me of a portaflex b-15 in tone character, at least with the horn turned down. The original tweeters were capable of being a bit harsh, though less so than the old SWR goliath I once owned. You had to be careful to avoid too much click. The newer versions are smoother, though, with more room to turn up without getting to ticky. The neo speakers seem much more balanced and musical throughout the full frequency range as well. I really like the cab, the weight, the volume, and how easy it is to hear myself on stage. That last was the key feature of these designs that created a lot of buzz. It's great to hear what I am playing from a few feet in front of the cab with two guitars blaring away. | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 420 Registered: 11-2004 |
Bob, Thanks for that review. They'll be on my short list when I get back to the States in July. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1590 Registered: 3-2004 |
I think they are wonderful gigging cabs, but maybe not for studio recording. Jorg has a bunch of sound samples on his website now so you can hear the differences between the cabs in his line. I don't know for sure, but I suspect that these are recorded to represent the cabs rather than compensate for them. Wouldn't make much sense otherwise. | ||
| kilowatt
Member Username: kilowatt Post Number: 67 Registered: 12-2004 |
Another vote here for the Schroeder cabinets. I run a 410 and a 1212 and it is the best system I have ever had. Stage clarity is the best part for me. You can clearly here yourself at any volume. I have had many compliment on how good the rig sounds. If you want to take a ride out to my house, you are more than welcome to give any of my equipment a test run. I also have an Eden Metro and a 410 xlt, plus some old Bag End cabinets (212,and 2-115 cabinets). Shoot me a line if you are interested. Regards, Pete | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1509 Registered: 4-2004 |
thanks all shroeder seems to be a bit more cashish and the plx is on my short list also too bad i cant side by side em anywhere.... | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 654 Registered: 12-2004 |
Don't forget Bag End. Many here use and love them, and the patent on the ELF system has this mysterious Ron Wickersham character attributed. Bradley | ||
| keurosix
Intermediate Member Username: keurosix Post Number: 184 Registered: 10-2005 |
Jeff, Without getting too technical, Ohms is the measure of resistance, a lower number is less resistance, a higher number is more. Typical music reproduction speaker cabs are generally rated at 8 ohms or 4 ohms, sometimes something else. If you are going to use one and oly one cab, you can specify a 4 ohm rating that will put out more sonic power. Of course, you must be sure your amp will work with 4 ohms. Some amps are designed only for 8 ohms, but most professional amps can handle 4 or 2 ohm loads too for more output. When you use 2x 8 ohm cabs, the total ohms will be 1/2, or equal to 4 ohms in parallel wiring (normal). Not only will the amp put out more sound, but also you get more speaker surface area for more wind. Choices, choices. Kris | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1513 Registered: 4-2004 |
am gonna go for the acme low b-2s good friend said he loves them- is good enough for me anyone wanna chime in on amps please i see a lot of folks like the plx=2402 which is discontinued...seems like a lot of power to me | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1594 Registered: 3-2004 |
The 2402 is a lot of power. The good news is that you can run one side alone if you don't want/need it all. The other side can be a backup for PA monitors or some such on a gig. I am considering one of the mini Bose amplifiers for rehearsal with my rig since the power amp is so big. The PackLite can be had for $300-400 if you can find one and puts 250 watts into 4 ohms. They're also not much bigger than a box of tissues. | ||
| crgaston
Advanced Member Username: crgaston Post Number: 388 Registered: 11-2005 |
Flax, the 2402 is probably the best bang for the buck out there. It's relatively light and has plenty of cool features, like switchable lo-cut filters and clip limiting. You can run both channels off 1 mono signal just by flipping a switch, or you can biamp. It's stable at 2 ohms per side (or 4 ohms bridged), which means you can run 2 4 ohm cabinets or 4 8 ohm cabinets per side. The fact that it's discontinued means you buy a used one for much less money than new. You can get one delivered to you off ebay for right at 500.00. Power = headroom. You would rather have too much than too little. The 2402 is definitely not too much power. A good rule of thumb is to have your power amp produce 1.5 times the watts your speaker is rated (anywhere between 1-2 times is ok, really). That way, nothing gets stressed too much. Underpowering the speakers will lead to clipping the amp, and clipping will lead to blown speakers. Really, there's no such thing as too much power. You can always turn it down. It ain't like tube amps where they sound sucky if they're not loud (at least that's what my guitar player says). Looks like the Acme is rated at 350w, and available in either 4 or 8 ohms. That means you could get 2 4 ohm cabinets, run 1 on each side of the amp, and be giving them 700 watts each. You could do the same with 2 8 ohm cabinets and be giving them 425 watts each. Either way would work. Some folks feel that 8 ohm cabinets tend to be a little tighter sounding. See if you can compare them for yourself. If you knew you would not need more than 2 cabinets, you could spend less money and get the PLX 1602 and 2 4 ohm Acme's. That way you would be giving each cabinet (running 1 per side) 500 watts. In a pinch you could run both cabinets off 1 side of the amp and still be giving each one 400 watts, and the other side you could use to run mains or monitors in an emergency. Of course, that holds true for the 2402 as well. My personal reccomendation between the 2 would be the 2402. They weigh the same, and more power gives you more options if you want to expand your rig. Other brands to look at would be Crest and Crown. They both have amps with similar specs, but I don't have any experience with their lightweight amps, so I can't comment. I will say this, though. While the D-fly was in shipping I asked Mica what it sounded like. Her response was,"It sounded really good here," and gave a description, "but it'll sound different through your amp... we use a hi-fi reference rig." I told her what my rig was, (it's in my profile) and she said, "Oh, ok, that's definitely a hi-fi setup." So it sounds like the QSC amps have the blessing of the mothership, at least. Good luck, Charles | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1169 Registered: 10-2002 |
Jeff. I use a 2402 and i can echo what's already been said. it's a very versatile amp and if you do ever have access to enough cabinets to achieve it's full potential you can scare the bejeesus out of your guitarists, and that's a rare pleasure ;-) Graeme | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1514 Registered: 4-2004 |
the ones on ebay are used no warranty thats always a concern i saw them at 450 which is a good price | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1171 Registered: 10-2002 |
They're a pretty robust piece of kit. So long as it works in the first place you're getting a bargain. graeme | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 762 Registered: 2-2005 |
Jeff, There is always the PLX2 line if you want a full warranty. The PLX2502 is the replacement for the PLX2402. I would expect it to have a similar reliability rate. I am currently using PLX2402's to drive the sub's on my PA and use a PLX3002 for my bass rig. Haven't had problems with any of them. Keith | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 763 Registered: 2-2005 |
Also found this on the Acme web site for the B2. "High power handling. 350W RMS is a good starting point due to the relatively low efficiency of the cabinet. 500W RMS is ideal. The more power, the better the sound. (Within reason - It's only a 2x10"!)". Keith | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 243 Registered: 6-2002 |
Hey Flax, I'm adding to the chorus of 2402 lovers here. Mine drives an Acme Low B4 and it's earth shaking. F1-X => PLX2402 => Low B2 X 2 = Cat's Pajamas DireWolf will love you! Reid | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1515 Registered: 4-2004 |
ok i hear ya...lol stupid q where do you place the amp and fx=-1 on top of the acme? | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 244 Registered: 6-2002 |
Yea, you'll want to get a rack. You'll need something deep enough to mount the rear supports for the 2402. Load it and the preamp into the rack, stack the B2s, put the rack on top and stand back! Andy has some strong thoughts on wheels and his cabinets, basically, don't do it. He likes cabinets on the floor, with amp on top for coupling purposes. (Message edited by rraymond on May 23, 2007) | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1595 Registered: 3-2004 |
Charles, I have to disagree with some of what you say. Yes, power is headroom, but no, I do not believe that underpowering speakers causes problems. Problems are caused by people who don't understand their gear. Clipping doesn't occur when you push 200 clean watts through a 500 watt cab. It occurs when you crank the signal up beyond what the 200 watt amp can cleanly deliver in an attempt to get volume levels that require a 500-1000 watt amp. I agree that more power is better in practice, but you can find a way to break things either way if you don't understand your gear. Also, tube tone isn't about loud, it's about pushing the tubes near their limits. In a high-power tube amp, yeah, it means loud, Heck, a 30 watt tube amp can get pretty loud when you push it. I have found that even solid state amps need a little volume to sound good. They don't need to be pushed, but I like to have them up more than 10% anyway. I've had a couple SWR pieces that just don't function well at all with the master volume set below 2. With regard to the 1602 vs 2402, the technology is different between them. If you look at the specs, you see that the 1602 is listed as class AB and the 2402 is listed as 2-step class H. Among other things, this means that the 2402 uses less power than the 1602 to operate and should run a little cooler for the same volume level. You'll have to ask someone else what the difference means in terms of sonic reproduction, if anything. -bob | ||
| 2400wattman
Advanced Member Username: 2400wattman Post Number: 371 Registered: 11-2005 |
Cabs on the floor sound best, you'll get more resonance that way........get down!!!!!! Oh yes, I've been thinking about changing over to QSC for sometime. I've been using a Crown K2 on my rig and it's not as heavy as my Macro Tech 2400(ouch!) but I still believe a little more weight loss is a good thing(no that's not a Martha Stewart quote). | ||
| crgaston
Advanced Member Username: crgaston Post Number: 390 Registered: 11-2005 |
Bob, you're totally right, of course. Practically, more power gives more headroom, but it's the person running the gear that damages the speakers. My point was that it's easier to do with less power than with more. The tube amp comment was just a crack on loud guitar players. I should have put a :-), but since it was in a parenthetical aside, it would have looked like :-)), which I find disturbing. | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 548 Registered: 3-2004 |
Though I prefer the sound of an older style large transformer amp, the plx's have served me very well in both bass rigs and pa applications. Anthony Jackson spoke about cab placement at a seminar I attended. He uses small cone shaped supports for his cabinets to isolate them.The hifi among you may already be acquainted with these. Auraflex also makes a pad that isolates the cab if you don't want the bass to radiate through the stage floor. I use heavy duty wheels on my cabs for ease of transport. I lose some sound but the need for quick turnovers works for me. Most places I play have pa's with 2 or 4 subs so my rig is really a monitor of sorts. If I get an endorsement this year, I'll put the acme's up for sale here first. Best of luck finding your dream set up. Though they are pricey, I tried out Glockenklang at namm when Trip was demo ing them. Amazing sound. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1596 Registered: 3-2004 |
Pop-out wheels are great since it lets you either leave the cabs on the wheels or couple them to the floor/stage as the situation dictates. Concrete floor will behave differently from a wooden stage, and some rooms may need the bass response while others are boomy to begin with. Options are nice to have. | ||
| willgunn
New Username: willgunn Post Number: 7 Registered: 2-2007 |
Just a little clarification regarding "dnburgess"'s May 19th comments regarding "2400wattman"'s trying out my Acme B-1 cab's MINUS the mid's & tweeters: I'd managed to talk Andy Lewis at Acme Sound into building me four 1X10 cab's without mid's & tweeters ("B-1 Sub's") about 5 years ago. They're probably the only ones he's made so far (8 Ohms each)...no one else has probably been crazy enough to request 'em, I'm sure! I'd owned a pair of standard B-2's previously (4 Ohm cab's), and had come to the conclusion that, given my personal tone preference, I didn't really need the mids or tweeters. And so, in order to additionally save a little weight, I had these built (each one weighs only 25#!). These, along with the Walter Woods (700 Watts total and 8# weight) will fit into ANY vehicle and give a full SVT rig a serious run for the money in terms of pure grunt force, and if arranged in a single vertical stack, only takes about one square foot of floor space! Anyhow, regardless of whether or not they've got mids & tweeters, or if they're 1X10, 2X10 or 4X10, The Acme's are the finest speakers you can buy, regardless of price...in my opinion, at least. Yes, they ARE power hungry, but this IS bass, after all! | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1516 Registered: 4-2004 |
well the 2402;s on ebay are 5-6 yrs old so i think i would pass on those and maybe look at the 1804 new. andy hates casters and since i was pissed at my sound last week using the rumble15 with casters maybe thats why i was pissed here are specs ohms (each channel) * FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 550 W 600 W Stereo Mode 4 ohms (each channel) * FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 800 W 900 W Signal to Noise (20 Hz - 20 kHz) -106 dB Input Sensitivity @ 8 ohms 1.20 Vrms Gain @ 8 ohms 35 dB Output Circuitry 2-Tier Class H Distortion (SMPTE-IM) Less than 0.02% Typical Distortion 1/8 rated power, 20 Hz-20 kHz Full rated power, 20 Hz-20 kHz Less than 0.02% Less than 0.02% Frequency Response 20 Hz-20 kHz, -0.5 dB Damping Factor Greater than 200 Input Impedance 20k ohms balanced 10k ohms unbalanced Input Clipping 5.5 Vrms (+15 dBu) Cooling Variable-speed fan, rear-to-front air flow Input Connectors, each channel 3-pin XLR and 1/4" TRS balanced Output Connectors, each channel Neutrik® NL4 Speakon® (Both channels available on Ch 1 output) Rear Panel Switches Circuit Breaker Front Panel Controls Detented Input Attenuator: 0 to ∞ dB Power On/Off Front Panel Indicators Clip: Red LED -10: Green LED Signal (-35 dB): Green LED Power: Blue LED PROTECTION Amplifier Protection Full short circuit, open circuit, thermal, infrasonic, ultrasonic, and RF protection Stable into reactive or mismatched loads Load Protection On/off muting, DC-fault power supply shutdown Infrasonic -3 dB, 6 Hz DC fault Power supply shutdown Ultrasonic -3 dB, 80 kHz Short Circuit Muting Thermal Limiting at 85° C, Muting at 90° C Over Current Active clip limiting AC circuit breaker High Line Standard +15%, survive +25% Low Line -40% PHYSICAL Dimensions Height Width Depth, Rack mounting surface to rear panel Overall Depth 3.5" (8.9 cm) 2 rack spaces 19" (48.3 cm) 8.95" (22.7 cm) 11" (27.9 cm) Weight 13 lbs. (5.9 kg) net 18 lbs. (8.2 kg) shipping Agency Approvals CE, FCC, cUL, UL | ||
| lembic76450
Intermediate Member Username: lembic76450 Post Number: 108 Registered: 5-2002 |
Flax, This might de of interest to you for great money, I just bought a Crown XLS402 amp brand new on ebay from a New York City "powerseller" for $240.00, $30.00 shipping, and a $120.00 rebate from Crown, Total cost $150.00, 300 watts into 8 ohm, 450 into 4ohm, 1140 watts bridged mono into 4 ohms, 26 lbs. More than enough to drive my cabs. It is new, not a second, full 3yr warranty . I bet it would be just right for the Acme's. I've been using a crown amp since the 70's with my F-2B. Very dependable. Kenn | ||
| dnburgess
Senior Member Username: dnburgess Post Number: 509 Registered: 1-2003 |
Wow - I stand corrected re B1 subs. | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 247 Registered: 6-2002 |
That 1804 would be awesome. If you went with the Crown XLS series, I'd go with the 602 to get the extra power for not a lot more doh. Also, Andy recommends, as ideal, 500w for the B2. I know when I bought my 2402, the word on the street was double the power requirements of the cabinet. The B2 is 350w and the 2402 is 700w at 4 ohms. How convenient! And don't forget to break the B2s in slowly. Play them at the house for a few hours before taking them to band rehearsal. Andy explains it on his site. Enjoy, sounds like a great rig in the making! | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1598 Registered: 3-2004 |
The 1804 is a lot of power in a very light package. In exchange, it has some limitations in that it cannot be bridged or support 2 ohm loads in stereo. I am told that the the audiophile quality of the xx02 series amps is higher than the xx04 versions, but that doesn't seem to be important in live bass scenarios. Also, the xx04 versions don't have the subsonic filters. I can't say that I have ever seen a bad review of one of these. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1517 Registered: 4-2004 |
bought the cab looking at the behringer europower2500 which is similar to the 2402 at half the price correct on the 1804- the 1802 is bridgeable | ||
| 2400wattman
Advanced Member Username: 2400wattman Post Number: 378 Registered: 11-2005 |
NOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!! Flax, STAY AWAY FROM ANYTHING THAT BEARS BEHRINGER ON IT!! Actually some of their rack mount gear is alright but don't go for their power amps. You should'nt compromise on your power if you can afford it, you did'nt compromise on your bass did you? Save yourself some grief and get the QSC. It's been a few years since I was running a Behringer keyboard amp(for my keys of course) which eventually fried on me and the only autorized service center on the East Coast is in Atlanta, Georgia! I'm sure there is authorized QSC service centers IN Connecticut. Food for thought pal. | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1600 Registered: 3-2004 |
Other than price, I've never heard anyone give a reason to recommend Behringer. I have heard plenty of complaints about business practices and quality, though. I have one piece of their gear, a mini mixer, and it has worked fine in the non-professional role for which I bought it. I wouldn't buy any more or use this piece in some critical application. | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 250 Registered: 6-2002 |
More peanut gallery booing and hissing! Why not look at the Crowns Kenn mentioned? Heck I've had good luck with Carvin amps, to tell the truth. I've got 3 of their power amps now. I ran my B2 with a Carvin R600 bass head, and my B4 was powered by Carvin F600 for several years. No problems with any of their amps. | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1518 Registered: 4-2004 |
sounds like i touched off a forestorm is it ok to buy the behringer tuner-lol beaver has a 2402 on his site- i might give him a call later | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1519 Registered: 4-2004 |
the 1804 does not bridge the 1802 does PLX2 Professional Power Amplifiers PLX1802 Specifications PLX1802 Amplifier VIEW REAR PANEL The PLX2 series is a range of premium quality, high-power amplifiers designed for the most demanding live performance uses. Built on the third generation of QSC PowerLight technology, PLX2 amplifiers combine light weight, superlative audio quality and proven QSC reliability. The PLX1802 is an excellent choice for users who need to drive up to four loudspeakers from each amplifier channel (2 ohm loading), or when extremely high power bridge mono operation is required. The PLX1802 features built-in subwoofer processing, filter switches, and front panel indications of bridge mono status. SPECIFICATIONS PLX1802 STEREO MODE, both channels driven * 8 ohms FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 320 W 330 W 4 ohms FTC 20 Hz - 20 kHz 0.05% THD EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 525 W 575 W 2 ohms EIA 1 kHz 1% THD 900 W BRIDGE MONO MODE * 8 ohms 20 Hz-20 kHz 0.1% THD EIA 1 kHz 0.1% THD 1100 W 1200 W 4 ohms 1 kHz 1% THD 1800 W | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 767 Registered: 2-2005 |
The PLX2402 has been replaced by the 2502. While I would personally stick with the xx02 line the 1804 should be more than adequate although I don't like the lack of clip limiters and filters. Definitely stay away from the Behringer. Keith | ||
| lbpesq
Senior Member Username: lbpesq Post Number: 2394 Registered: 7-2004 |
Flax: The problem with getting a Behringer is that you'll then be obligated to buy a Yugo to haul it around. LOL Bill, tgo | ||
| 2400wattman
Advanced Member Username: 2400wattman Post Number: 382 Registered: 11-2005 |
Forgot one thing, I believe Behringer is German for "broken". | ||
| jacko
Senior Member Username: jacko Post Number: 1174 Registered: 10-2002 |
jeff. Whatever you do, don't go for the Behringer tuner. i had one and it didn't see the low B and was pretty flaky with the E string aswell. Mike pisanek had the same problem so it wasn't an isolated incident. That's why i went for the Korg - works perfectly. I've not heard anything good about behringer from anyone - mostly regrets that they didn't save a little extra and buy something that actually works. Graeme | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1520 Registered: 4-2004 |
beaver is holding a used 1602 for 499 500 watts-4ohms bridged 1600 i think that should be enough | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 251 Registered: 6-2002 |
 You don't go. | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 768 Registered: 2-2005 |
The 1602 is a good amp. I use one for PA monitors and sometimes bridged for the mains. The price appears to be inline with the current used prices. Keith | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1521 Registered: 4-2004 |
there is one on ebay ending in 8hrs at 299 currently thanks keith much appreciated | ||
| bsee
Senior Member Username: bsee Post Number: 1603 Registered: 3-2004 |
$400 has been the typical target for a used 1602, $500 for a 2402. | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 252 Registered: 6-2002 |
Flax, did you score the 1602 on ebay? I'm with Keith and think it will serve you well. BTW, I have one piece of Behringer gear that has never let me down. I have their PX 2000 UltraPatch Pro patch bay. Of course, I set it up in my studio and haven't changed anything since, so I haven't exceeded the 10 insertions limit on the contact points! LOL Good luck! | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1522 Registered: 4-2004 |
no it went for 340 w.shipping beaver offered my 499 with a 4 mount rack case 6 of 1 1.2 of the other something goes wrong and i have recourse thanks | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 253 Registered: 6-2002 |
Bummer. But, what the heck, $499 with a 4 space rack ain't too bad. You'll want one. When you get this system up and running, you'll have to get us a report - after you've got it broken in, or course. For an EUB I've got a Zeta Crossover upright which sounds great through my B2, I really want to hear your opinions on the Classico! | ||
| flaxattack
Senior Member Username: flaxattack Post Number: 1553 Registered: 4-2004 |
hey thanks to all for your help and guidance thanks also to dannobasso........he was really helpful in advice and let me test drive his cabs. as much as i wanted the B4 i think its a tad much right now so here is what i ended up with qsc 1602 alembic f1-x kort dtr-1000 tuner acme low b2- courtesy of dan epifani 1x15 courtesy of dan dan has an awesome collection of alembics- blew my mind,,,, esp the 7 string...] dan got a chance to noodle on wolf- was his first time on a balance k and he loved the feel of the ti's i went back to... nothing feels like ti flats.. | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 565 Registered: 3-2004 |
Flax you sould have a great rig for most any situation. I ran 10'sand 15's for years. I know that some at Alembic are partial to the 15's. So you have the best of those 2 worlds. Interesting thing, I used the B4 cab with the F1X SF2 3402 set up in a studio after they found it difficult to mic up the whappo jr. Track was a combo of miced cab, sansamp di and groovetubes tube di. So I can now say the B4 was out of the house once. Catch up with you later in the week for the epi. |
