| Author | Message | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 669 Registered: 12-2004 |
How would you finish it? I have a superfilter on the way, and just picked up a qsc plx 3402 poweramp. What cabinets would you add to these to finish the rig of doom? Bradley | ||
| crgaston
Senior Member Username: crgaston Post Number: 401 Registered: 11-2005 |
If you have a F1x so you can bi-amp, how about a JBL SRX715 and a SRX718s ? They're near the bottom here... http://www.jblpro.com/FullLineCat/JBL_HPROportable.pdf | ||
| 811952
Senior Member Username: 811952 Post Number: 1038 Registered: 10-2003 |
Those subs are way nice. I can carry one of them by myself, too. My band uses 4 of them, and they are plenty worthy even outdoors, and they're not boomy. | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 671 Registered: 12-2004 |
What about something like the Bill Fitzmaurice cabs? Current contenders are: a pair of (stereo) Acme B-2s Bag End 18" Elf + 2x10 Bradley | ||
| alembic76407
Senior Member Username: alembic76407 Post Number: 516 Registered: 5-2002 |
you better make it big and loud David T  | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 779 Registered: 2-2005 |
With the PLX3402 you should double everything like this.  Keith | ||
| keavin
Senior Member Username: keavin Post Number: 1207 Registered: 12-2002 |
Ten 15's!!!....alembic76407,that IS the rig of doom! | ||
| olieoliver
Senior Member Username: olieoliver Post Number: 1386 Registered: 2-2006 |
WOW, I bet they kick some major "bootay" but I wouldn't want to have to haul either of those rigs. Ouch, Olie | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 780 Registered: 2-2005 |
Olie, It's not all that bad. I use a hand truck and always make sure to have a big person on the bottom end if I encounter stairs. Keith | ||
| fc_spoiler
Senior Member Username: fc_spoiler Post Number: 509 Registered: 5-2006 |
Mesa cabs = serious stuff:  | ||
| keavin
Senior Member Username: keavin Post Number: 1208 Registered: 12-2002 |
Old school Bag-end Cabs  | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 459 Registered: 11-2004 |
You guys aren't helping me out here!! I'm about 99.9% sure I'll be getting a Bag End S15 when I return stateside in July. 2 Bag End pics in 11 posts is only fueling the fire.... keep 'em coming =) | ||
| alembic76407
Senior Member Username: alembic76407 Post Number: 517 Registered: 5-2002 |
that's 6-15s 4-12s and 2-10, 3 way elec crossover 4600 watts tornadic thunder David T | ||
| alembic76407
Senior Member Username: alembic76407 Post Number: 518 Registered: 5-2002 |
and the last time it was all hooked up, it was stupid loud!!!! and I don't haul it anymore, all I use now are 2-15s and 2-10s and the Boogie 400+ David T | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 677 Registered: 12-2004 |
since I have a PLX3402, which can put 1700W per channel into 2 ohm, maybe I could get this: Bag End Quartz as the subwoofer (it will show 2 Ohm to the amp). I think that those can move some air. Bradley | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 559 Registered: 3-2004 |
I am now running epi ul212, whappo jr w/f1x,sf2,plx3402. Can also use the epi t310. Still have acme low b4 and epi t115 fer sale. (covers included) good luck on your dream rig! | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 5078 Registered: 5-2002 |
Bradley; go with the Quartz!! | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 678 Registered: 12-2004 |
Might be a little overkill in our 1500 square foot auditorium. What could I pair it with and have a balanced sound? I'd anticipate the top end would need to be pretty substantial. I don't know that I'm really serious about the quartz, but we'll see how cheap the bidding stays. Bradley | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 784 Registered: 2-2005 |
At 224 lbs it will be a lot to move. You will also need the INFRA controller which I don't see any indication of being included. But four 18's. Wow. Keith | ||
| dannobasso
Senior Member Username: dannobasso Post Number: 560 Registered: 3-2004 |
I heard this demonstrated at NAMM a few years ago by the wild eyed prez of the company. He got a kick out of how it can turn your lower gi to mush. If I had the space I would love to have that thing! | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 5080 Registered: 5-2002 |
Here's what I'm thinking. It's a no reserve auction with a low beginning bid. The number of people in the market for a 224 pound subwoofer that has to be shipped on a pallet by truck, and requires a dedicated controller, not included, and a lot of power, is probably limited. And if you like feeling those low notes at high volume that Chris Squire plays on his Taurus pedals on And You And I, then this may be a deal too good to pass up. However, practically speaking, there's no way I'm going to get that in my house. | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 785 Registered: 2-2005 |
My gosh Dave your talking about getting it into your house. I would stop at getting it up that driveway of yours from the delivery truck on the road. LOL | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 680 Registered: 12-2004 |
There is really something to be said for finally finishing the arms race between the Hammond player, the drummer and me. 224 Lbs isn't a big deal-- I won't have to move it much. At 8 Hz, I'll bet I could talk to the whales in Puget Sound. | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 5083 Registered: 5-2002 |
ROFL! Thanks Keith! | ||
| mcrracer
New Username: mcrracer Post Number: 5 Registered: 5-2007 |
http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/T39.html http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/DR250.html BFM Bill Fitzmaurice Designs Loudspeakers put most commercially available cabs to shame. I am not affiliated with BFM just a very happy customer. I have been playing bass for 35 years and tried many different cabs, high end and budget cabs. My DR250 blows them all away. Clean, clear, no distortion. Very efficient. You do not need thousands of watts to get an acceptable volume level. A couple of hundred real watts can cause pain. If the DR250 doesn't have enough low end add a Titan39 sub and rumble the Earth. There is nothing close to these that you can buy in stores for even twice the price.. Check them out. Add whatever electronics you want. You want a rig of doom? Get two DR250s and two Titan39s. I would think that would be overkill for most venues any of us would play in. | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 682 Registered: 12-2004 |
The Bill Fitzmaurice cabs seem really interesting; I'd really like to try one out. Any builders/owners in the Seattle area that would be willing to loan one out on a Wednesday/Sunday evening? As it sits, I'm tempted by: Bag End, starting with a 2x10 and eventually adding an ELF sub. (When I grow up, I want to be like Keith!) Acme, pair of 2x10s in stereo. Bradley The SF-2 should get here Tuesday. | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 467 Registered: 11-2004 |
Bradley- The BFM cabs are indeed interesting- I posted here on the forum a few months back about these cabs (they're currently getting alot of attention on the Talkbass forum). Here is a link to guys who build his cabs http://www.billfitzmaurice.com/Builders.html it doesn't look like there is a Seattle builder, but if you go to the forum on the Fitzmaurice website, I'm sure you'll find more than a few guys in the area who have his cabs and would love to have you demo them. I've done a fair bit of reading on the cabs- from all accounts, they're much different and more refined than the old folded horn cabs of the 70's. From what I've read they are incredibly transparent and are painfully loud. Lots of bass players seem to "not like them" because they reproduce whatever you put in.... I think lots of guys play them and think they sound horrible- but it's probably a result of THEM sounding horrible. If the cabs are as accurate, loud and transparent as many claim them to be, I think they'd a very good pairing with Alembic. I've meant to get up to Auckland and try out some cabs that a local builder has there- he even offered to let me take them into the Otara Markets for a Saturday concert we played recently. If you do try them, please let me know. EDIT: Here is a link to the thread I started a few months back- I did get some feedback, but I can't help but think that perhaps alot of the feedback was formed from the old Acoustic/JBL folded horn designs of the 70's. The BFM cabs are intruiging link to previous club thread (Message edited by tbrannon on June 10, 2007) (Message edited by tbrannon on June 10, 2007) (Message edited by davehouck on June 10, 2007) | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 5095 Registered: 5-2002 |
My usual setup is an Eden 210 XLT and an ELF sub. I actually prefer the tone of the Bag End 210. But at the moment, mine has a bad speaker that I haven't taken the time to get repaired. And the version I have, D10X-D, doesn't put out as much sound as the XLT. However, I haven't tried the new version, D10BX-D, which is a deeper cabinet with a lower frequency response. If I ever get that speaker fixed, I'll take the Bag End 210 on a gig and see how if performs along with the ELF. I also have an Acme B-2. Personally I think the Acme outperforms the XLT and the Bag End on the low end, but the high end sound of the Acme doesn't do it for me. I used to run the Acme together with either the Eden or the Bag End 210, both full range, which resulted in a very nice sound. But with the ELF, I don't need to take the Acme out to get good low end. | ||
| hb3
Advanced Member Username: hb3 Post Number: 234 Registered: 2-2005 |
8 Hz? Is it even possible to hear that? I guess you'd feel it, though.... | ||
| davehouck
Moderator Username: davehouck Post Number: 5097 Registered: 5-2002 |
I listen to the Songs From Tsongas DVD a lot. And I've wondered how low those pedals are going. The pictures I've seen of Taurus pedals show that the lowest note looks like a C; so I'm guessing that it's at 16.35 Hz. The following is from Wikipedia: The human ear can nominally hear sounds in the range 20 Hz to 20,000 Hz (20 kHz). This upper limit tends to decrease with age, most adults being unable to hear above 16 kHz. The ear itself does not respond to frequencies below 20 Hz, but these can be perceived via the body's sense of touch.} This and other things I glanced at on the web suggest that you can "feel" frequencies below 20Hz and, I'm really guessing here, that you can "hear" them in that your brain translates these perceptions as sound. | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 722 Registered: 12-2004 |
Well, I bit the bullet: I bought 2 Bag End cabinets. S15D and S15X-D. Should be picking them up Monday. Keavin, I hope you steered me right.  Bradley | ||
| tbrannon
Senior Member Username: tbrannon Post Number: 495 Registered: 11-2004 |
Bradley- let me know what you decide on to power them. I've got 2 S15D's headed my way as well. My bass is packed in a shipping container and I probably won't lay hands on it until October (I think a cheap fill in purchase is in my future). Once I get my bass back I'll be shopping for something to power the cabs and I'll be interested in your findings. Toby EDIT: Nevermind- I just re-read the thread and saw your power amp choice. I'd still be interested in your findings when you get the cabs though. (Message edited by tbrannon on July 07, 2007) | ||
| jazzyvee
Senior Member Username: jazzyvee Post Number: 883 Registered: 6-2002 |
Out of curiousity has anyone use a pa sub woofer on a bass rig? is it a good idea. Not for volume as such but just for the meat! | ||
| hankster
Intermediate Member Username: hankster Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2004 |
I've used a Bose PA with subwoofer to supplement my rig - how truly excellent the bottom end is. Reminds me of listening to my stereo with Altec speakers really loud in about 1975. Rick | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 809 Registered: 2-2005 |
I don't see any reason a PA sub wouldn't work. A sub designed for live music should be able to handle the low end while being driven from a bass rig. It will probably even perform better in this mode since it is only handling one instrument. My Bag End 18's have been used for PA as well as my bass rig and I've seen them used for movie theatres. Also keep in mind when playing a large venue it is not the bass rig but the PA handling the sound reproduction. If PA subs couldn't handle it we'd all have to have John Entwistle size rigs. :-) Keith | ||
| rraymond
Advanced Member Username: rraymond Post Number: 295 Registered: 6-2002 |
Back in the 70's I had a rig consisting of an Ampeg V4B head, into an Ampeg V6 2x15" cabinet and Peavey sound reinforcement cabinet. The Peavey had a Cerwin-Vega 18" in it. That was a rig that you hear, feel and see in action! Nothing like watching your bell-bottoms flapping in the breeze of an 18! LOL! | ||
| keavin
Senior Member Username: keavin Post Number: 1235 Registered: 12-2002 |
Hey you cant go wrong with the Bag end 15's cabs,Ive Rattled/broken the shit outta some very Fine China & several dishes with my rig & had several Visits from the Police as a result!......that's when you know you got power! | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 724 Registered: 12-2004 |
I'm wondering how well they'll work when I add a couple of ELF subs. But I suspect they are going to sound mighty fine indeed. Final signal chain: Epic 4 fretless (I will receive my Series II one day!) - SF2 - QSC PLX 3402 - S15D + S15XD Should be a nice little rig. They are 8 Ohm cabs; I'm thinking of running them in stereo. Since the 3402 puts out 700 watts per side into 8 Ohms, what can I do to protect the speakers from meltdown? Bradley | ||
| keith_h
Senior Member Username: keith_h Post Number: 810 Registered: 2-2005 |
Just leave the volume down on the power amp. I run my two D10B cabinets off of one side for a 2 ohm load. This results in the PLX3002 being capable of 1500W into an 800W speaker load. I just leave PLX3002 gain about half way and have never had any problems and have plenty of volume. For the ELF side the amp puts out 900W at 4 ohms, a perfect match, so I leave the gain up full. Keith | ||
| keavin
Senior Member Username: keavin Post Number: 1236 Registered: 12-2002 |
http://youtube.com/watch?v=gOyOLMfJeBk | ||
| 0vid
Member Username: 0vid Post Number: 85 Registered: 4-2003 |
I use two rigs, both based around the F-1X, but with diff. power amps, and diff. outboard parametric EQs. In the first rig, I use a 3 way cab with a passive crossover, 1 X 12, 1 X 6 and a peerless horn tweeter. ( they are rare but I bought a few, v sweet sounding , much better than the fostex horns) My sub is a 2 X 12 , precision devices drivers. I use the crossover from the F-1X and set it around 125 hz.My F-1X EQ is 2- 10 - 2. I have the paraemetric EQ for filtering the low end by setting the hi pass between 30 - 50 hz at a 6 db slope, as some stages are 'boomy' sounding. I don't really use the rest of the EQ very much. This rig was designed by myself and I am happiest with this having gone through likle many others, all the typical commercial cabs out there. For the second rig, I use a piar of 1 X 12s, but am building presently a BFD OMNI15. | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 726 Registered: 12-2004 |
Raymond, Please, please post a review of your Fitzmaurice cabinet when you finish. Bradley | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 736 Registered: 12-2004 |
I took the new rig to a youth conference. 500+ people in a building rated for about 350- props to Bag End for totally carrying the bottom end, even when the PA couldn't keep up. I have to say that I'm feeling pretty good about the choice right now. You'd have a hard time going wrong with Bag End and QSC. | ||
| byoung
Senior Member Username: byoung Post Number: 737 Registered: 12-2004 |
And an Alembic preamp, of course. |
