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georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 701
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:24 am:   Edit Post

Had to post this!!

Listen to Niels Pedersen playing Samba Petit from 1994 with Oscar Peterson
Jaco was wonderful.......but listen to the best bass player EVER.......IMHO

Enjoy people!!
I'll try and post the link, but not sure how

G
artswork99
Senior Member
Username: artswork99

Post Number: 658
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:36 am:   Edit Post

George,
I think this is the one you are speaking of... Beautiful!
Niels Pedersen playing Samba Petit from 1994 with Oscar Peterson
Cheers,
Art
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 702
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:42 am:   Edit Post

Thanks Art!!
Yep that's the one!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Wonderful!

G
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 703
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:46 am:   Edit Post

I just don't seem to get the hang of posting links I'd like to share with the Forum.

D'Ohhh!!!!!!!!
gregduboc
Intermediate Member
Username: gregduboc

Post Number: 144
Registered: 11-2008
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:49 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for that video! Made my day already! :-)

Greg
tubeperson
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Username: tubeperson

Post Number: 66
Registered: 5-2005
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:57 am:   Edit Post

All you need to see is Oscar applauding the Great Dane at the end of this piece. They were extraordnary together.
tubeperson
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Username: tubeperson

Post Number: 67
Registered: 5-2005
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 7:57 am:   Edit Post

All you need to see is Oscar applauding the Great Dane at the end of this piece. They were extraordinary together.
artswork99
Senior Member
Username: artswork99

Post Number: 659
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 8:23 am:   Edit Post

No problem George, glad to assist... I always thought that the instructions to create a link with customized text could be in more places or you can copy and paste the URL from your browser address bar directly into a posting. Cheers!
olieoliver
Senior Member
Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 2351
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 8:24 am:   Edit Post

Awesome piece George. Thanks.

If you've never played acoustic bass before you should try once to really appreciate this even more.

BRAVO!

OO

OO
artswork99
Senior Member
Username: artswork99

Post Number: 660
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 9:52 am:   Edit Post

Olie, that's the truth... I studied it (as a teen) then laid it down for many years until just a month ago when I performed with a double bass once again. Whew, that was challenging and a great time!

This video is spectacular!
Art

(Message edited by artswork99 on May 08, 2009)
olieoliver
Senior Member
Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 2357
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:09 am:   Edit Post

I still attempt it (Emphasis on attempt) occasionally but not nearly enough to be good at it. LOL

OO
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 812
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:37 am:   Edit Post

If you think that is good, check out Donna Lee with Niels and Joe Pass on Ytube.
Sorry I don't know how post links either but this is incredible, neither of them even look where there fingers are going
Anyone who is good at the links, please post it for everyone to enjoy
It is awesome
artswork99
Senior Member
Username: artswork99

Post Number: 661
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:44 am:   Edit Post

Here you go, Joe Pass and NHOP
Wow...
olieoliver
Senior Member
Username: olieoliver

Post Number: 2359
Registered: 2-2006
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:55 am:   Edit Post

GEEZ..Louise...I'll probably never touch my upright again. LOL

O (gotta practice) OH
hieronymous
Senior Member
Username: hieronymous

Post Number: 595
Registered: 1-2005
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 11:11 am:   Edit Post

I love it when they play the melody together at the end of Donna Lee! It looks like his hands are just sliding around but the notes are strong and clear. Almost inconceivable, except it's happening before our eyes and ears!
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 8008
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 12:07 pm:   Edit Post

Love it!! Thanks!!
cozmik_cowboy
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Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 468
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 2:36 pm:   Edit Post

Whoa. On any list of things I never expected to see in my life, someone doubling Joe Pass - I repeat, doubling JOE PASS - on a doghouse bass would have been near the top, were it something I would have even thought of. Amazing. But I really enjoyed the solo piece a lot more. Just exquisite. Thanks, George & Art.

Peter
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 704
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 4:39 am:   Edit Post

Just watched him with Joe Pass.

Defies belief!

I believe he died not all that long ago.
That must be some band in the sky!
G
chrisalembic
Junior
Username: chrisalembic

Post Number: 23
Registered: 3-2009
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 6:02 am:   Edit Post

here is another fun version of donna lee on upright:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rqwik_wdLa4
white_cloud
Senior Member
Username: white_cloud

Post Number: 659
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 6:41 am:   Edit Post

Thanks George, as a big fan of Oscar (r.i.p) it was a joy to watch this performance once more.

I think "worlds greatest bass player" is an impossible thing to define as each individual will come to their own conclusion as to who that is - however Niels was an absolute master of the upright.

John.
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 8013
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 7:08 am:   Edit Post

Chris, that was fun; thanks!
cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member
Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 470
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 8:04 am:   Edit Post

Hmmm - Niels Pederson & Aladár Pege both wear what looks like a wedding ring, but on the right hand rather than left. Is this some seceret upright players' society sign or something?

Peter (who thinks it may be too early to be thinking)
davehouck
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Username: davehouck

Post Number: 8015
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 9:29 am:   Edit Post

Peter; the third finger is naturally not as strong as the first two fingers. Wearing a heavy ring on the third helps give more power, and to thus even out the attack for three finger right hand technique.
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 706
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 9:32 am:   Edit Post

There is another great tune from Niels, with a Danish guitarist.
I found it once, but am unable to find it again.
Brilliant performances from the two of them!

It's called (very well known!)

" A Nightingale Sings in Berkley Square!
Just GREAT!!

Is Oscar dead too??????
Oh Man..........what's happening?
I think, that the original post I put up, with him playing Samba Petit is now....with more listenings, just Soooo beautiful.
The tone...sensational!
Anyone know what bass he used, and what strings he used??

I'm in awe !
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 707
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 9:52 am:   Edit Post

Just watched Aladar....another megastar!

I'm now in love with the sound of a quality upright bass!
BUT

One thing still amazes me..

These guys could be totally blind, ...they NEVER look at what they play, and yet it's just................Phew
lbpesq
Senior Member
Username: lbpesq

Post Number: 3793
Registered: 7-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:12 am:   Edit Post

Dave: you wrote

"Wearing a heavy ring on the third helps give more power"

Is this like a Green Lantern thing? What is this magical power ring made of, anti-kryptonite? Were you being serious? Does a ring really help playing technique? I've never heard of such a thing, other than some players removing wedding rings because they get in the way (of PLAYING! I can already hear the jokes).

Bill, tgo
davehouck
Moderator
Username: davehouck

Post Number: 8016
Registered: 5-2002
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 10:47 am:   Edit Post

1 - no; those rings have to be ordered from the Guardians of the Universe, and the waiting time can be a year and a half or more
2 - phosphorus, sulfur, arsenic, and antimony
3 - no
4 - I don't wear them, I would tend to think that they would actually hinder technique

Seriously though, when you watch these upright guys, the way they position their left hands when playing way up the neck, I can see where having a ring on one those fingers might, for some, be a bit in the way.
terryc
Senior Member
Username: terryc

Post Number: 813
Registered: 11-2004
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 11:34 am:   Edit Post

Glad you all enjoyed my suggestion, just watched it again..it's the clarity as well as the speed at which Niels plays just belies belief!
Even Jaco would have a hard time keeping up with that pace.
john_judge
Junior
Username: john_judge

Post Number: 27
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 12:09 pm:   Edit Post

Hey Georgie Boy...AHHHH YES! NIEL'S was indeed master of perfect Pizzicato technique with perfect unison between both hands, and to play like Niels you must use all five fingers on the right hand and all five on the left including thumb. And as with anything practice your butt off!

I once met a Man named Frank Rogers who was one of the instrument care taker's for the Duke- E band and he had traveled with Niel's a few times during Festivals..Anyway I did ask about his beautiful tone distinction that he achieved and next question was strings he told me he use to use Labella but later switched to a Gut core brand name Pirastro Pizzicato Silver wrapped, which hold tone longer and sustain, but if you are a bluegrass slapper, you will hate these! plus the price at about $500.00 a set , that was in 2004 when I met this individual, so I am sure they cost more now, hope this helps.
John
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 708
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 4:31 am:   Edit Post

Thanks John,
Nice to hear fom you.There are so many brilliant players out there..........yourself and Jimmy J for example. I should have added should have added a "??" at the end of the title. It was just that I was absolutely gob-smacked when I saw him

George
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 710
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 6:12 am:   Edit Post

Now on a down note!
Niels seems to have taken some flak on a song he played with Christian McBride.
Ok.it seemed to my uneducated ears, that the intonation was slightly out?....the excuse being that he was getting "old" now.
Geez.....I make mistakes all the time, but could never play with such an Imperial quality and tone


NOW!!

The big question..........
OK.he played upright bass...a true skill in its own right
IMAGINE.if you can, that he played an Alembic Series bass....what would he have been like??????

G
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 712
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 7:13 am:   Edit Post

Or even a Classico??
artswork99
Senior Member
Username: artswork99

Post Number: 664
Registered: 7-2007
Posted on Sunday, May 10, 2009 - 8:15 am:   Edit Post

Adding such tone to such playing, great to contemplate... the wonder of life has granted many of us here the enjoyment of such gifts during our lives. Thanks Alembic! Here's to the art of music and the makers of fine instruments!
john_judge
Junior
Username: john_judge

Post Number: 28
Registered: 4-2009
Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 8:37 am:   Edit Post

UPRIGHT PLAYING CAN BE A FUNNY THING.....I for one can play some things faster on the upright due to the hand positioning as being more comfortable and of course, such is not always the case in reaching into the higher register...Where Niel's was a master at.
There is nothing like a good old Alembic with smooth action and a great feeling neck to fly around on...But at times, an Upright can bring out the Passion in me, for there are no knob's to turn no volume to set, only your technique can acquire those things, your volume your tone from the wood and on the upright, you must work hard to achieve it all.
May Niel's rest and peace, for in the Jazz world, he was one of the most sort after and recorded Bassist of all times. John
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 714
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Monday, May 11, 2009 - 9:15 am:   Edit Post

John,
I'm so graced that you respond to my posts..........thankyou!
I'm no upright player, although now, after hearing Niels, I wish I were!
To reach the levels of yourself and Jimmy J, is only a dream that will never be fulfilled by most of us..but we all live in hope!
My nearest level, is to play fretless bass (badly) but I do love the sound!
My dear friend "White Cloud"...John Hughes to those that know him!..............ALWAYS rants about the virtues of passive electronics.....whereby, there is no real colouration of the sound. I can now......after your explanation, see why!
I just love my 75 P bass for this particular reason........though all my other basses are active, it gives me that wonderful True woody tone.
I've watched "Samba Petit" so many times now.........still wonderful!
Thanks so much for joining our little club, and for imparting so much insight to it.

G
white_cloud
Senior Member
Username: white_cloud

Post Number: 660
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Wednesday, May 13, 2009 - 4:00 am:   Edit Post

Thanks for the mention George although Im sure few members would agree with my taste for passive basses here at the club!

I always think back to hearing the late great Joe Zawinul stating that the truest and greatest instrument of all is the human voice - indeed, the primary and purest form of musical expression.

Once amplified effects can be added of course but I cant honestly think of any vocalist with active electronics fitted to their throat at all lol!

John.
peoplechipper
Intermediate Member
Username: peoplechipper

Post Number: 112
Registered: 2-2009
Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 12:27 am:   Edit Post

The Samba piece is amazing! never thought I'd hear all that from an upright...John, I actually in general lean towards passive electronics; I never really trusted instruments you put a battery in, and coming from guitar playing all the active guitars are EMG shredmonsters that don't do it for me...

The bass that led me here was a Fernandes copy wired passive that sounded amazing; thankfully got the real thing a year later...but honestly, the difference at the amp end is a little more output from the Distillate. Wood and construction are truly key; I actually bought my Fernandes without plugging it in; sounded so good acousticially that it had to be good plugged in, and it was...but my Distillate is even better in both regards, which is why I love it so...Tony.
georgie_boy
Senior Member
Username: georgie_boy

Post Number: 717
Registered: 8-2005
Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 5:07 am:   Edit Post

I used to have one of those before I got the real thing.
Must say though..............don't care what anybody says........it was a superb instrument.
Not nearly as warm and melodic as my old 76 Series 1, but had all the filters and stuff, and, if I still had it today, then the woods would have matured and the sound would be UP there.
It blew a JD Mark King out the window.......go figure

G
white_cloud
Senior Member
Username: white_cloud

Post Number: 661
Registered: 11-2007
Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 6:33 am:   Edit Post

Yes, I completely catch the drift on this subject,

whenever I buy a bass I always spend some time playing it unplugged first and listening to every nuance of the sound - lets face it, if it sounds good unplugged then its a good indication that it will sound good plugged in!

In my experience instrument construction doesnt really have to be complicated to make for a good sound, many argue that neck-thru construction is vastly superior to bolt-on and set neck instruments - Im not sure I agree at all!

George, as you know I was never a big fan of Jaydee basses - I dont doubt that the Fernandes sounded better.

John.
cozmik_cowboy
Senior Member
Username: cozmik_cowboy

Post Number: 475
Registered: 10-2006
Posted on Thursday, May 14, 2009 - 3:15 pm:   Edit Post

"...lets face it, if it sounds good unplugged then its a good indication that it will sound good plugged in!"

Very true. Besides, when I play unplugged, it's much harder for everyone to hear just how badly I suck.

Peter

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